Jeremy Colliton says his message to Chicago Blackhawks veterans about the rebuild hasn’t changed: ‘They need to help on this’

[wonky73]

Jeremy Colliton says his message to Chicago Blackhawks veterans about the rebuild hasn’t changed: ‘They need to help on this’

 

[Granada]

Between Colliton and Bowman, this feels more and more like a shit show every day. It's a train wreck.

Smart move, Colliton -- call out the vets in public before the season even starts. It's not like they already hate you or anything. Bowman too -- goes to the public after Toews does. How does that help exactly? It just pisses the players off more.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Between Colliton and Bowman, this feels more and more like a shit show every day. It's a train wreck.

Smart move, Colliton -- call out the vets in public before the season even starts. It's not like they already hate you or anything. Bowman too -- goes to the public after Toews does. How does that help exactly? It just pisses the players off more.

JC is a tool

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

Wow...they both basically called out Toews as a liar...

 

[KBIB]

That article made me fucking cringe.

You don't think Crawford wanted to win? You don't think the players know the ramifications of the salary cap?

Come on, bruh

 

[hawkinmontreal]

We need to look at this article 2 ways, first as a fan of the Chicago Blackhawks hockey team and second as a fan of a particular player(Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabs, CC), We as fans are fooling ourselves if we think this team is anyway competitive in the current NHL, Jonathan Toews must have been sleepwalking through the Past 4 seasons if hasn’t seen where the direction of this team was going. The parades, cups and glory have gone by the way side. This is not about bashing my fists against my chest about how Stan and company have totally ripped this team apart, this is about the reality that the Chicago Blackhawks need a rebuild, a proper rebuild, not this on the fly shit. 3 cups 10 years, teams would dream to have that success however now the suffering begins, or has begun.. JC is not wrong about the Hawks trying to catch lightning in a bottle, and management is not wrong about trying to build an elite team again. What they are wrong about is how they conducted business. Stan Bowman for what’s its worth has proven that no one player is the Chicago Blackhawks, they are a team, which I agree upon. CC was extraordinary for our beloved, but the truth is, it was time to move on, that where the love of a particular player comes in. We understand as fans Subban, Delia and any other goalies in the pipeline will only make this team worse, and with CC it gave the Hawks a fighting chance, that’s the difference, we keep CC it keeps the philosophy the team has a chance and they continue building on the fly. This day was going to come, we all knew it and now we are pissed about it, the cap, age, long term contracts, bloated contracts, no movement clauses, well my friends we are here. Buckle up it’s going to be a bumpy ride. This is sports for you, Ask yourself, you want to be a Anaheim or San Jose, make the playoffs every year be competitive for a playoff spot but never be good enough to win the cup, or tear the walls down and get back to where the team once was not so long ago.

 

[Raskolnikov]

My conclusion from Bowman and JCs comments left me with only two potential conclusions.

1. JC and Stan believe NMCs are holding back the franchise, and WANT to upset the room until they can move Seabs, and still get something for Toews before its too late. To do that they have to turn the place sour, while developing youth.

2. JC and Stan are actually much worse and far estupido than I imagined they could possibly be given the level of professionalism they have risen to.

Its one or the other, or both.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Bowman has made plenty of dumb moves especially from a fans perspective but his moves were more to avoid the inevitable. You can blame ownership sometimes when stuff like that happens cause of the pressure of being fired. But we see this ineptitude in many teams especially here in Chicago. Kenny Williams did the same shit. Jerry Angelo was notorious for this. They don’t think fans can handle the dreaded rebuild. Me personally I lose interest when teams just try to sell me frauds. Yes there is pain in a rebuild but I enjoy it also and appreciate an honest effort to put a team together. Maybe I’m in the minority in that camp and studies show the crap these teams keep peddling out is what most fans go for who knows

as to rask first point I had those same feels bro. If they make an environment where guys will get rid of their no trade clauses we can start the fire sale and finally move on to building a new contender

 

[HSBOB]

Scam Blowman said the players should have known we were rebuilding for the last year and a half so that begs a question......

Why on earth squander 20M+ along with our best D prospect and a 2nd and a 3rd last summer if we're in a rebuild? Is bringing in a 5M GT instead of giving Delia or Lankinen a shot rebuilding or getting younger?
The Writing has been on the wall as HiM said but there's been a lotta shit on the wall as far as mixed messages too........weren't we a playoff team last summer when we brought in a bunch of guys?

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

Scam Blowman said the players should have known we were rebuilding for the last year and a half so that begs a question......

Why on earth squander 20M+ along with our best D prospect and a 2nd and a 3rd last summer if we're in a rebuild? Is bringing in a 5M GT instead of giving Delia or Lankinen a shot rebuilding or getting younger?
The Writing has been on the wall as HiM said but there's been a lotta shit on the wall as far as mixed messages too........weren't we a playoff team last summer when we brought in a bunch of guys?

Amen. The FO is frankly full of shit on this "Everyone knew we were rebuilding for a long time" line they're trotting out now. Up until this off-season, Blowman has "liked our team."

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Scam Blowman said the players should have known we were rebuilding for the last year and a half so that begs a question......

Why on earth squander 20M+ along with our best D prospect and a 2nd and a 3rd last summer if we're in a rebuild? Is bringing in a 5M GT instead of giving Delia or Lankinen a shot rebuilding or getting younger?
The Writing has been on the wall as HiM said but there's been a lotta shit on the wall as far as mixed messages too........weren't we a playoff team last summer when we brought in a bunch of guys?

You are correct about the shit being on the wall, but I am assuming upper management, ownership has made it clear to Stan, start a rebuild but keep the core at bay. Wirtz knows who fills the seats and why those fans come and pay big $$$ to watch the Hawks. Squandering money and bringing in a 5m dollar goalie was there to give the core false hope, and why is that, because Stan is a dog, he knows that his lifeline lives with Kane and Toews and Wirtz knows his pocketbook keeps getting richer with those 2. The average everyday fan is not like majority of us on these boards or other sports boards, we follow the team, it’s ins and outs, we educate ourselves about the team and it’s history regardless if your a fan for 2 years or 60 years. Its when you hear people saying that Stan has done a magnificent job, then you know what kind of fan that is, out of touch with reality they are. The Hawks certainly have had more dark days than bright days in there history and Wirtz knows about history repeating itself, and for that reason I think there is a tug of war behind the scenes, and Stan somehow dropped some sort of bullshit plan on Rocky and he went and fell for it, as long as the remaining 4 were ok with the plan.

 

[wonky73]

I have a fear we are entering a late 90s early 2000s era of Hawks suckage

 

[hawkinmontreal]

I have a fear we are entering a late 90s early 2000s era of Hawks suckage

You have a feeling, I think we are already there. In the late 90’s there was Daze, Amonte and Zmanov, In comparison we now have an ageing Toews, Kane and yet to be determined Kubalik, however I would Take Thibault and Hackett over Subban and Delia ?

 

[KBIB]

I have a fear we are entering a late 90s early 2000s era of Hawks suckage

Because of three contracts, you might be right.

But, in this day and age of better scouting, probably not that bad.

If they're tanking, they really need to hit on every high draft pick during said tank.

Dach looks to be a great pick who's developing in the NHL. That's the sign of a future superstar.

Boqvist was taken in a draft with a generational talent defenseman and another one who is what everyone said Boqvist would be in Hughes. Right now he's the drop off of that draft and shouldn't have been rushed. If defenseman drafted after him start developing quicker then him he will be seen as a bust if he doesn't become a top four guy in the next couple years.

The 2021 draft is defenseman rich. If tanking is the goal this year then it's a great draft to tank for a defenseman. There's also another high profile goalie who should be taken in the first round.

But, something tells me Suter is gonna be a player, and the Hawks next year will again be one of those teams fighting for a playoff spot instead of actually blowing up a couple years and getting high picks.

 

[Granada]

So John Scott teed off on Bowman recently. I agree with Scott on some things but his point about the org answering the fans, so now the fans will continue to complain because they know they'll get a response (paraphrasing) -- disagree there. Fans will always complain no matter what, so his point falls flat.

Anytime an organization wants to be transparent, I appreciate that as a fan, personally. The problem was the timing of it all, and how the fan letter was released only after Toews' interview with the Athletic. Then Bowman and Colliton completely made it worse by going to the media after the fan letter was released. But the fan letter alone, wasn't the problem necessarily -- if they released that before Toews went public, I'd applaud that transparency as a fan -- but it was only released for damage control in response to Toews.

Bowman has no clue what he's doing -- not only with the moves he's making behind the scenes, but in public decisions now too. I did agree with Scott on this point: this fan letter would have never happened if McDonough were still in the fold, and he's right -- because the fan letter (timing of) was a very dumb decision, like the majority of Bowman's decisions.

Bowman (and Colliton) made a bad situation even worse with the way they handled this.

John Scott: Blackhawks' rebuilding letter was embarrassing

John Scott believes members of the Chicago Blackhawks' front office should be ashamed of themselves for the message they conveyed to fans earlier this week."The fact that they are just giving in to their fan base and having to write that letter is embarrassing," the former Blackhawks agitator...

www.thescore.com

 

[MassHavoc]

For the past couple of years they have been a bubble bottom half team. The vets too haven't lived up to their contracts for the most part, but their is so much more causing that them just getting over or under performing. You dumped a hall of fame coach cause you couldn't get the right personnel. You keep making bad trades and bringing back players that were washed up when you traded them the first time. You switch fundamental philosophies and styles and expect the players to just work. Then the one thing you do get right in firing the Grinch, you bungle by not following up on it at all and just hanging out with an interim president.

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

So John Scott teed off on Bowman recently. I agree with Scott on some things but his point about the org answering the fans, so now the fans will continue to complain because they know they'll get a response (paraphrasing) -- disagree there. Fans will always complain no matter what, so his point falls flat.

Anytime an organization wants to be transparent, I appreciate that as a fan, personally. The problem was the timing of it all, and how the fan letter was released only after Toews' interview with the Athletic. Then Bowman and Colliton completely made it worse by going to the media after the fan letter was released. But the fan letter alone, wasn't the problem necessarily -- if they released that before Toews went public, I'd applaud that transparency as a fan -- but it was only released for damage control in response to Toews.

Bowman has no clue what he's doing -- not only with the moves he's making behind the scenes, but in public decisions now too. I did agree with Scott on this point: this fan letter would have never happened if McDonough were still in the fold, and he's right -- because the fan letter (timing of) was a very dumb decision, like the majority of Bowman's decisions.

Bowman (and Colliton) made a bad situation even worse with the way they handled this.

John Scott: Blackhawks' rebuilding letter was embarrassing

John Scott believes members of the Chicago Blackhawks' front office should be ashamed of themselves for the message they conveyed to fans earlier this week."The fact that they are just giving in to their fan base and having to write that letter is embarrassing," the former Blackhawks agitator...

www.thescore.com

Agree...I don't know what Scott was rambling about the fans, but as a former player, he knows the way the FO is playing this out is shitty....the situation facing the Hawks is a difficult one, and I appreciate that, but your last line sums it up: SB and JC have just made it exponentially worse.