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Briefly, towards the end of the show. KC Johnson said that he believed:

1. Gordon will do exactly like Ben Wallace, commit early and then sign with Detroit.
2. Bulls will most likely keep Hinrich.
3. Salmons will get another deal.
4. There will be "eight" players available at #16 that the Bulls will like.
Bulls could go size and could go guard. He said that the Bulls like the combo guards
like Hinrich and that they will try to find a guard that fits that role if they go after
a guard.
5. He is the President of the Ben Gordon Fan Club and he will miss Gordon. He thinks Gordon
is an uncanny scorer and yes, he knows Gordon doesn't play defense, but he can score and
he was always very professional.

I anxiously await the continued speculation over the next week...should be interesting.
 

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The more i think were losing BG ,The more im liking Gerald Henderson..But KC says that the Bulls like the combo gaurds and not sure Gerald is that.
 

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Nice to see KC finally admitted he's a part of the BG fan club, because that was not the case several years ago.

There's really only 2 combo guards that would be available at 16 or 26, & that's Teague & Calathes. I like Teague's game but I don't know why the Bulls would want to draft another 6' 2" SG since they're already gonna let the one we have walk away for nothing. And Calathes is goin to play in Greece, so unless the Bulls are really going to trade up to the top 10, they're not going to get a good combo guard that late in the draft.
 

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Diddy1122 wrote:
Nice to see KC finally admitted he's a part of the BG fan club, because that was not the case several years ago.

There's really only 2 combo guards that would be available at 16 or 26, & that's Teague & Calathes. I like Teague's game but I don't know why the Bulls would want to draft another 6' 2" SG since they're already gonna let the one we have walk away for nothing. And Calathes is goin to play in Greece, so unless the Bulls are really going to trade up to the top 10, they're not going to get a good combo guard that late in the draft.
Imagine we get Evans somehow back to back yrs of Memphis Gaurds..lol I can see him as a 2 way gaurd in the NBA though..
 

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KC Johnson will be proven wrong.

Hinrich will be traded on draft night, and BG will sign with Chicago.
 

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That would be sweet if we got Evans but we'd have to move up to #6 or 7 to nab him.
 

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charity stripe wrote:
KC Johnson will be proven wrong.

Hinrich will be traded on draft night, and BG will sign with Chicago.

God I wish the second part of that were true, but it's time to face facts charity, BG will not be a Bull next year. :(
 

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We've talked to death about do we need to keep Gordon so don't wanna go there again.......

If Gordon is gone IMO Salmons must be locked up. If we lost Gordon, Traded Kirk but re sign Salmons to 7 mil I would be happy

We would at least have our starters at 1-2-3 in Rose-Salmons-Deng and we can use the picks to fill cheap role players
 

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Diddy1122 wrote:
charity stripe wrote:
KC Johnson will be proven wrong.

Hinrich will be traded on draft night, and BG will sign with Chicago.

God I wish the second part of that were true, but it's time to face facts charity, BG will not be a Bull next year. :(

He himself denied the Detroit rumors, so either BG or KC is lying. I'm betting KC is lying or getting false info because of the tampering violation possibility from BG's side.

After all facts are aligned, it still makes much more sense for BG to stay in Chi rather than go to Det. Lets just wait till July 1 or at least draft night to see how it plays out.
 

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I think that was clearly a Teague reference. I think Teague would do well in the 6th man/spark plug role that many people, including myself, feel better suited Gordon's game. Teague is a streaky and high volume scorer that could bring instant energy/offense off the bench whenever needed. If GarPaxDorf don't think BG will be back, then they're going to need to find another 3pt shooter somewhere. Since the Bulls probably won't be big time players in the Free Agent market, the draft is probably where that shooter will be found. We have had success with the combo guard player, and our offense is better suited for those type of players. I do not think a player like Henderson/Williams fits in well with our offense. A guard in our offense needs to be able to shoot because the scheme is dependent upon Rose driving and kicking out to the open shooter. In addition our guards are going to have to be able to be able to handle the ball, as well. I think everybody should think back to the Boston series a little bit to see why a player like Teaugue fits our offense well, despite his apparent shortcomings (his height, etc). Our offense was MOST efficient when we utilized the 3 guard (Rose, Hinrich, BG) lineup with Salmons at the 4 and either Miller or Noah at the center position. Not only did Boston have to adjust to our offense by taking out either Perkins or Davis, but they also had to account for the speed/shooting ability of the team we put on the floor. We gave them ABSOLUTE fits with our speed and shooting in this lineup. If Salmons did not get into early foul trouble in game 7, we probably would have won this game because Boston, who is usually a very good defensive team, couldn't defend that lineup well. Our Front Office knows this and I feel that they are going to try to try to implement the 3 small guard lineup, with Salmons at the 4, lineup more often next season.

I also keep hearing a lot of Bulls fans say that we need to draft a "big guard who can play defense" (i.e. Henderson/TWilliams). However, unless that player can light it up from three, then he will not fit in well with our team. Look at Thabo, for instance. While he was a very good defender, he was INCREDIBLY inconsistent from three. As a result, we just were not effective efficiently when he was on the floor because when Derrick drove and kicked out to him, he couldn't do very much with the ball. Thus, since Thabo did not fit in well with our offensive scheme, we traded him. Henderson and Twill both remind me of Thabo in that while they are good to very good defensively, they do not shoot the long ball well or as efficiently as our offense would need. Hence, I don't feel like we would draft either of them at 16 simply b/c their games do not fit our scheme well.

Hence, if Gordon will not be here next year, then we are most DEFINITELY going to have to replace his shooting, explosiveness and ball handling. We do not have a logical shot at Curry, who I feel would downright flourish in our high tempo, drive and kick offense, but we do have a shot at a Teague (16) and Toney Douglas (at 26, not at 16), who I feel would flourish in our offense. While I feel we have a need for a "banger" down low, that need certainly isn't as great as our need for a combo guard who could handle/shoot, especially if BG is not going to come back and if we are going to play more of the 3 small guard, Salmons, Noah/Miller offense next year, which I feel we well.

Wow..this was a long first post haha.
 

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The Detroit rumor is strange considering the rules in place, but I guess Detroit could have said something like, "When you come talk to us in July the offer will be in the 11 million a year range." That might skirt the rules enough.
 

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cranscape wrote:
The Detroit rumor is strange considering the rules in place, but I guess Detroit could have said something like, "When you come talk to us in July the offer will be in the 11 million a year range." That might skirt the rules enough.

Thing is though, they only offer BG 11 mil if they absolutely know for a fact that they will trade Hamilton for a big. However, there is some doubt they they could acheive this.
 

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charity stripe wrote:
Diddy1122 wrote:
charity stripe wrote:
KC Johnson will be proven wrong.

Hinrich will be traded on draft night, and BG will sign with Chicago.

God I wish the second part of that were true, but it's time to face facts charity, BG will not be a Bull next year. :(

He himself denied the Detroit rumors, so either BG or KC is lying. I'm betting KC is lying or getting false info because of the tampering violation possibility from BG's side.

After all facts are aligned, it still makes much more sense for BG to stay in Chi rather than go to Det. Lets just wait till July 1 or at least draft night to see how it plays out.

If anyone is lying it's Raymond Brothers, BG's agent, not KC, Ben, or Sam. And of course BG's going to deny the rumors, he's seeking his first big long term deal, he doesn't want to go messing that up.

FA's sign all the time on the 1st of July, sometimes within mere minutes after 12am. It's naive to think that deals like these aren't worked out on some level beforehand. KC even admitted as much in the article. And there are ways to skirt the rules in every aspect of life, like Bonds isn't in prison thanks to the way he worded his testimony. I will be surprised & ecstatic if BG re-ups but in all reality, with the way he's been treated here, I can easily see him jumping ship & donning blue & red.
 

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Resident Persian wrote:
I think that was clearly a Teague reference. I think Teague would do well in the 6th man/spark plug role that many people, including myself, feel better suited Gordon's game. Teague is a streaky and high volume scorer that could bring instant energy/offense off the bench whenever needed. If GarPaxDorf don't think BG will be back, then they're going to need to find another 3pt shooter somewhere. Since the Bulls probably won't be big time players in the Free Agent market, the draft is probably where that shooter will be found. We have had success with the combo guard player, and our offense is better suited for those type of players. I do not think a player like Henderson/Williams fits in well with our offense. A guard in our offense needs to be able to shoot because the scheme is dependent upon Rose driving and kicking out to the open shooter. In addition our guards are going to have to be able to be able to handle the ball, as well. I think everybody should think back to the Boston series a little bit to see why a player like Teaugue fits our offense well, despite his apparent shortcomings (his height, etc). Our offense was MOST efficient when we utilized the 3 guard (Rose, Hinrich, BG) lineup with Salmons at the 4 and either Miller or Noah at the center position. Not only did Boston have to adjust to our offense by taking out either Perkins or Davis, but they also had to account for the speed/shooting ability of the team we put on the floor. We gave them ABSOLUTE fits with our speed and shooting in this lineup. If Salmons did not get into early foul trouble in game 7, we probably would have won this game because Boston, who is usually a very good defensive team, couldn't defend that lineup well. Our Front Office knows this and I feel that they are going to try to try to implement the 3 small guard lineup, with Salmons at the 4, lineup more often next season.

I also keep hearing a lot of Bulls fans say that we need to draft a "big guard who can play defense" (i.e. Henderson/TWilliams). However, unless that player can light it up from three, then he will not fit in well with our team. Look at Thabo, for instance. While he was a very good defender, he was INCREDIBLY inconsistent from three. As a result, we just were not effective efficiently when he was on the floor because when Derrick drove and kicked out to him, he couldn't do very much with the ball. Thus, since Thabo did not fit in well with our offensive scheme, we traded him. Henderson and Twill both remind me of Thabo in that while they are good to very good defensively, they do not shoot the long ball well or as efficiently as our offense would need. Hence, I don't feel like we would draft either of them at 16 simply b/c their games do not fit our scheme well.

Hence, if Gordon will not be here next year, then we are most DEFINITELY going to have to replace his shooting, explosiveness and ball handling. We do not have a logical shot at Curry, who I feel would downright flourish in our high tempo, drive and kick offense, but we do have a shot at a Teague (16) and Toney Douglas (at 26, not at 16), who I feel would flourish in our offense. While I feel we have a need for a "banger" down low, that need certainly isn't as great as our need for a combo guard who could handle/shoot, especially if BG is not going to come back and if we are going to play more of the 3 small guard, Salmons, Noah/Miller offense next year, which I feel we well.

Wow..this was a long first post haha.

Welcome & excellent first post. It's always good to have a Resident Persian on the boards.
 

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KC did say it would not be for quite that much money though.
 

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When he mentioned Salmons getting new deal did he mean with Bulls?
 

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If BG leaves we will not be a playoff team and it will signifigantly lower our long term chances at a title. Every team needs that 3rd good scoring option and we could have had him locked up at 6/54.
 

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O well we didn't so deal with it. Deng or Salmons could be that third scoring what we really need is guy who can space the floor.
 

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Losing Gordon will not decimate that Bulls chances to win a championship, believe me. Gordon is not that good a player. And yes, according to KC, they will resign Salmons, who will undoubtedly be cheaper.
 

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houheffna wrote:
Losing Gordon will not decimate that Bulls chances to win a championship, believe me. Gordon is not that good a player. And yes, according to KC, they will resign Salmons, who will undoubtedly be cheaper.

No way Salmons comes cheaper. He's only making 5.5mill next yr & has never had a big deal. Why wouldn't he be looking for Deng or BG money? Especially if he becomes better next season, which I don't think he's much better than the 18ppg he averaged this yr. And he'll be 31 going into that deal. Are they going to want to pay him 9,10, or 11mill?
 

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