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So I'm looking to get a laptop for working on my website. It would only be for Web development stuff (I manage a blog site with joomla) and some social media activities related to the site and personal things.

I was looking at the chrome books and thinking they would be pretty perfect. I don't need a lot of space, and I hate having to have a bunch of windows programs automatically loaded. I know they have the SSDs that help them load fast but only 2GB or ram. Would that be enough to manage a site with or would I need to really get an expensive laptop?

I know the old saying is you get what you pay for and the chrome books are pretty cheap. But an expensive windows laptop just seems like a waste since I wouldn't need a lot of what is provided.

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What dev / design tools do you use? E.g. any heavy IDEs, Photoshop etc? The RAM would be a concern for me personally. Also screen real estate.
 
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What dev / design tools do you use? E.g. any heavy IDEs, Photoshop etc? The RAM would be a concern for me personally. Also screen real estate.

Pretty much just working in joomla. All css edits done on the server and WYSIWYG edits done for content. No adobe suite programs needed I don't think. I'm thinking since all the stuff I do now for the site is in chrome I should be ok from that stand point. The RAM concerns me but I'm thinking it wouldn't have the background programs taking up RAM. Is that the case you think?
 

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You'll be frustrated working on projects with limited performance. Even if it's just text edits. Chromebooks are almost trash(there is a segment that these systems fill, and it's not very big, basically people that check facebook and email) IMO. But if you're convinced this is a smart route, then why not nano system, like a Raspberry Pi, BeagleBone Black, ect.
 

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You'll be frustrated working on projects with limited performance. Even if it's just text edits. Chromebooks are almost trash(there is a segment that these systems fill, and it's not very big, basically people that check facebook and email) IMO. But if you're convinced this is a smart route, then why not nano system, like a Raspberry Pi, BeagleBone Black, ect.

I'm looking for something inexpensive, portable and able to do my specific tasks. I'm not convinced of anything so I'm asking. Do the nano systems have better performance? I could also go used at Trade It that had some laptops in stock but I don't know what all they had.
 

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I'm looking for something inexpensive, portable and able to do my specific tasks. I'm not convinced of anything so I'm asking. Do the nano systems have better performance? I could also go used at Trade It that had some laptops in stock but I don't know what all they had.

No, they don't have better performance. But they cost a lot less. Heck, with all of these mediatek ARM chips flooding the market, you can buy whole tablets that outperform Raspberry Pi's($50 for the Pi + whatever accessories) for the same price. But the rPi is not traditionally portable in most cases, so forget that I said anything there.

Yeah, I'll just keep my mouth shut here. I have three personal positions of bias that puts me in conflict to liking them for the use of development. One is that chromebook is basically just a ultracheap(not an ultraportable, like they try to spin words for better marketability) and it underperforms. I also believe these ultracheap underperforming systems contribute to this massive problem of eWaste. And my biggest issue is that you are locked into googles market, or need to jump through major hoops to use software from any source you may like, which makes a chromebook more of a controlware device than any other major product on the market.
 

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No, they don't have better performance. But they cost a lot less. Heck, with all of these mediatek ARM chips flooding the market, you can buy whole tablets that outperform Raspberry Pi's($50 for the Pi + whatever accessories) for the same price. But the rPi is not traditionally portable in most cases, so forget that I said anything there.

Yeah, I'll just keep my mouth shut here. I have three personal positions of bias that puts me in conflict to liking them for the use of development. One is that chromebook is basically just a ultracheap(not an ultraportable, like they try to spin words for better marketability) and it underperforms. I also believe these ultracheap underperforming systems contribute to this massive problem of eWaste. And my biggest issue is that you are locked into googles market, or need to jump through major hoops to use software from any source you may like, which makes a chromebook more of a controlware device than any other major product on the market.

Any suggestions on a decently priced machine that's portable, and I mean 4-6 hours of battery and wife capable would be fine. I'm not married to the chromebook by any means.
 

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I have a friend that is starting graduate school (in business management) and is looking for a new laptop. They have no idea what to get. What would the experts here suggest?
 

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Any suggestions on a decently priced machine that's portable, and I mean 4-6 hours of battery and wife capable would be fine. I'm not married to the chromebook by any means.

wife capable, so basically text editing and porn. Or is this something for omelet? Hmmmm....

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I honestly have no real suggestions and I would not be of much help. When you want a single purpose device, they are almost better off being your old system, and you're wiser for putting that money into a new system. When a system gets passed down a chain, you make more use of it due to being already familiar with it. But when it comes to laptops, people buy cheap laptops then act all shocked when they work like crap after a few years, or when the battery doesn't hold a charge. So those are rarely ever good systems to pass down a chain. A few netbooks have been amazing at staying durable, and a chromebook is a netbook. Netbooks have wifi, good battery, and they use specific CPUs designed for Ultraportables(which means the netbook is more than enough space for engineers to build more features into the purpose-designed chips. Chromebook might screw that up for everyone though, as it is trying to introduce a different OS into the mix, as well as use harder to scale hardware standards just because it is a custom linux using ultracheap components. Which also means, even if I'm wrong about Chromebooks in the future, you're going to have to deal with their impact on the landscape of what is available to buy now. So while you said you're not married to a chromebook, it is still going to be relevant, as many manufacturers of garbage budget systems(HP, some Acer) will make it hard for you to buy alternatives for a good price.

Does that make any sense? Personally, when I do minimal site maintaining, I'm using at least 3 programs up at one time. The text editor, a SSH client, and the browser itself. That is as low-end as it gets. Like nvan pointed out, you'll need gimp/photoshop at some point as well. Really, you don't need a lot of power to run graphic editing software, unless you want to do something complex. But multitasking and graphic editing is a lot more intensive(your sacrifice). Then we have the issue of deciding to use a WYSIWYG type editor for development, which uses more resources, FTP program if you don't use SSH, and if you use public networks, you'll want the power to run everything securely.

So yeah, on the outside, it seems like you don't need much, and you really don't. But the same can be said for going on a strict diet. You will want the screen space, and the compatibility. I would say consider more things, then see what is on the market, what you want to spend, and if you have questions, feel free to ask more.

Which leaves me at not giving you specific recommendations, just something to think over. Plus, I gotta jet. Good luck Monk.
 

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Heh...wife capable. Gotta love auto correct
 

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I have a friend that is starting graduate school (in business management) and is looking for a new laptop. They have no idea what to get. What would the experts here suggest?

My 2 important questions....
1.Does the user want to play games at all? (Yes you can game on laptops, mine is a beast and I do all my gaming on it)
2.Regardless of the answer to #1 what price range does the user want to spend?

Answer those 2 things and I can find something appropriate most likely.

Last, don't ask Crystallas, he will tell you to solder your own components together hehe :D
 

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My 2 important questions....
1.Does the user want to play games at all? (Yes you can game on laptops, mine is a beast and I do all my gaming on it)
2.Regardless of the answer to #1 what price range does the user want to spend?

Answer those 2 things and I can find something appropriate most likely.

Last, don't ask Crystallas, he will tell you to solder your own components together hehe :D

1 is a no, and 2 is a 'i have no idea" my friend is fairly frugal.
 

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There was this buzzword that floated around for years, but really picked up steam in 2002ish. Futureproof.

When people built or bought systems, they tried to futureproof them the best that they could. For different eras, there were different methods of doing this. Having PCMCIA helped in the 90s for laptops, just as desktops having 2 IDE channels vs 1, more ISA, more PCI, More PCIe, etc. The main factor in "futureproofing" would be cutting the budget on the easiest to replace components with that method, and focusing it on the hardest to replace/upgrade components that gave you the bulk of your performance.

What's my point? Well, for about 30 years of so, this has become a expert's law of sorts, for shopping out their investment in hardware. It's the very reason why someone who followed this rule of thumb with a 5 year old system that was built on a budget, still outperforms your brand new computer that cost just as much now, as theirs cost then. However, now, this perspective has changed considerably with the new generation of users who genuinely think their phones have 16GB of memory because they don't know the difference between storage and memory. So when people want to be "frugal", they wind up biting themselves in the ass in many ways by applying the same logic behind buying clothes, as they would a device that calculates over a trillion combined operations a second.

You don't have to be a techie, but this is very much a tech world, and even the most trusted brands take full advantage of their consumers on a daily basis. So if anything comes out of this rant of mine, please grasp the concept of futureproofing. *Also, I should note, that futureproofing doesn't actually futureproof, that's why i said it was a buzzword. But the logic remains the same, whether it's 1979 or 2099.
 

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There was this buzzword that floated around for years, but really picked up steam in 2002ish. Futureproof.

When people built or bought systems, they tried to futureproof them the best that they could. For different eras, there were different methods of doing this. Having PCMCIA helped in the 90s for laptops, just as desktops having 2 IDE channels vs 1, more ISA, more PCI, More PCIe, etc. The main factor in "futureproofing" would be cutting the budget on the easiest to replace components with that method, and focusing it on the hardest to replace/upgrade components that gave you the bulk of your performance.

What's my point? Well, for about 30 years of so, this has become a expert's law of sorts, for shopping out their investment in hardware. It's the very reason why someone who followed this rule of thumb with a 5 year old system that was built on a budget, still outperforms your brand new computer that cost just as much now, as theirs cost then. However, now, this perspective has changed considerably with the new generation of users who genuinely think their phones have 16GB of memory because they don't know the difference between storage and memory. So when people want to be "frugal", they wind up biting themselves in the ass in many ways by applying the same logic behind buying clothes, as they would a device that calculates over a trillion combined operations a second.

You don't have to be a techie, but this is very much a tech world, and even the most trusted brands take full advantage of their consumers on a daily basis. So if anything comes out of this rant of mine, please grasp the concept of futureproofing. *Also, I should note, that futureproofing doesn't actually futureproof, that's why i said it was a buzzword. But the logic remains the same, whether it's 1979 or 2099.

This made me lol a little. It's crazy to me how much we have moved to a technologically centric society...and at the same time, most people don't even grasp the very basics. Good for the marketing folks I suppose. But I was using a VAX terminal when I was like 5, so I guess I have a bit of a different perspective.
 

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btw, I am selling one of these for $700. Its a great laptop, though its pretty thick - like 2 inches and weighs about 7lbs. It was the best you could buy about 18 months ago. Its in great shape, just gonna put it on ebay cause I recently build a gaming desktop.

Here are some specs:

Sager NP8150
15.6 in 1920 X 1080 matte screen (really beautiful)
i7-2670QM Processor 2.2 gig (6M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz) quad processor
8gb ddr3 1333 ram
500gb hdd
cd/dvd drive
hdmi and dvi out
2 usb 3.0
2 usb 2.0
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M 1.5 gb ddr5 GPU

Here is a link to check it out:
http://www.rkcomputer.net/rkcnotebooks/index.php?l=product_detail&p=327

pm me if you are interested.

I have run games like skyrim and crisys 2 on it with mostly high settings.

Here is a video review:

[video=youtube;b1Kzwu_Hcqs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Kzwu_Hcqs[/video]
 
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So I was on my way to Best Buy to get the Samsung Chromebook and there is a place called Trade It on the way there. I absolutely love going in that place so I stopped to see what they had in the way of laptops. They had an Acer Aspire S3 for $299. I figured since I was about to spend $249 on a 2GB ram Chromebook what was 50 more $s on an ultrabook.

I like it so far, everything I need for my site is completely doable and it's slim and feels well built. Especially compared to my former laptop. I do hate Windows 8 with a fiery burning passion though. I'm thinking of just ditching it and installing ubuntu. I've never used anything but Mac OS or Windows but a guy at work is pushing me to get unbuntu.

Do you guys use Windows or Mac OS or one of the others?

Here is the computer I bought btw.
 

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