Legit ?: Who should Start?? Hinrich vs Salmons???

[cool007]

Okay, I and couple of other posters were discussing couple of things in the Thorpe chat but then it turned into Hinrich vs Salmons so I thought, this really needs it's own thread.

So here it goes.

Who should start next to Rose as a SG right from day 1???

Hinrich??? or Salmons???

We should have a poll to see what majority of us think.

Can any of the mod create the poll please???

 

[houheffna]

Salmons should start, Hinrich is a 1.5 who can do just about everything at both positions, but I like having the bigger SG starting.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Salmons because of the 4 INCHES

Hinrich should be the backup for Rose. If he plays next to him on the two, who is our backup PG? Hunter? Pargo?

I would prefer seeing Pargo playing the two as a backup for Salmons then Pargo playing the one as a backup for Rose.

 

[ramblingrose33]

Re:Legit ?: Who should Start?? Hinrich vs Salmons?

I think the season should start with Kirk at the two. Just a guess but I think VDN will still be working out kinks in the offense. I think I trust Kirk more than the ol' coach. Plus, the loss of Gordon will change our offensive dimension and with a healthy Deng (hopefully, knock on wood, etc..), maybe this becomes a team that penetrates and cuts with occasional shots from the arc. I think Kirk is better suited for this. Salmons acts like Baby Huey at times when he is driving the lane. However, if the offense sputters, VDN can turn to Salmons to try and provide perimeter scoring or run a similar offense as last year. I think Doug mentioned this on a Podcast before but Salmons' inability to post up negates his size and abilities in some ways.

 

[Hawkfanwillie07]

I think you have to play matchups game to game, but minutes-wise, you have to go with the hot hand throughout the game. It's no secret Hinrich is the better defender, but if he is going to be guarding a taller SG Salmons should probably be in there. And let's not forget, Deng will probably be hurt by the end of the first month, so both of them will probably be starting at some point anyway.

 

[cool007]

Hawkfanwillie07 wrote:

I think you have to play matchups game to game,

No, you can't do that. You can't keep changing lineups based on matchups every few games. That would be a disaster.

For the record, I want Salmons to start as well. So many positives.

Hinrich can play backup at both 1 and 2 positions and when we go small at times.

 

[TheStig]

I would start Salmons. Kirk is not an SG and as was the popular chant of the past, kirk is too short to be a sg. But in all seriousness, Kirk needs to be traded, he is not a 2, just because he can steal 10-15mpg doesn't legitimize him.

 

[vhans5219]

Definitely Salmons because of the 4 inches
Hinrich should just come off the bench as he usually does

 

[clonetrooper264]

Salmons should start just because otherwise we have no backup PG that is worth anything otherwise, but at the end of games don't be surprised to see a lineup of Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Deng, and Noah. Or if/when Deng goes down, Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Johnson/Thomas, Noah. At that may be a starting lineup at one point, who knows?

 

[houheffna]

kirk is too short to be a sg.

Huh? You just rendered the BG argument mute, he and Kirk are the same height, actually I have heard that Kirk is a legit 6'3" and Gordon is an inch or 2 shorter...

 

[clonetrooper264]

houheffna wrote:

kirk is too short to be a sg.

Huh? You just rendered the BG argument mute, he and Kirk are the same height, actually I have heard that Kirk is a legit 6'3" and Gordon is an inch or 2 shorter...

Kirk is too short to be a SG my butt. Are there height cutoffs for every position? Was Magic too tall to be a PG? Is AI too short to be a SG? Technically, by your definition, yes. Magic should've been playing in the front court by that definition, but his handles allowed him to be a PG. Kirk is taller than AI, and if he's too short to play SG, then what the heck was AI doing in Philly all those years? AI is a much more talented scorer, but all the same so is BG. BG is a SG in all of our minds, I'm pretty sure. So really, height is no definition of position, but rather skill and ability dictates what position you play. That's why at 6'9" Magic could play PG and at 6' if even that AI can be a SG. Kirk's skillset is more tailored to him being a PG, but it also allows him to be a SG WHEN NECESSARY.

 

[Chitown773]

Salmons: Drive and creates his own field goals. He can finish in contact. Great Triple Threat player. Burst on the scene with limited papers in his portfolio. Solid defender with length. Can play 2 position. +5

Hinrich: Not good one-on-one. Limited at 2 guard. Flat jumper. Solid man to man defense. High IQ player that can manage but won't get you over the top on a daily basis. +2

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

kirk is too short to be a sg.

Huh? You just rendered the BG argument mute, he and Kirk are the same height, actually I have heard that Kirk is a legit 6'3" and Gordon is an inch or 2 shorter...

Apparently you read that one line because it was followed by a in all seriousness amd preceded by the popular chant. As in, I was being sarcastic before. Kirk is not too short to play SG, I just don't think he is an sg. He is barely a combo guard to me, he should be a starting pg in this league. Just not here.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

If i ran the Bulls i'd say neither. Trade them both for a decent starter and some number ones, coast into the draft lottery and put together a young nucleus to dominate the new decade.

 

[Diddy1122]

That's easy. Wesley Snipes gets the nod, thanks to his superior martial arts skills & wicked goat.

 

[pinkizdead]

Re:Legit ?: Who should Start?? Hinrich vs Salmons?

Well if you look at it. Hinrich has a long term contract. He makes 9 million a year. He wants to start. Salmons might be gone by the end of the year. If we're looking to the future, i'd rather start hinrich. I dont care about height. Hinrich did a great job against salmons. We're not looking for an offensive juggernaut in our 2 gaurd. We want some1 who can play to the strenghts of d-rose- driving and kicking and help his weaknesses-defense. Hinrich does both.
honestly...i dont think hinrich's contract is tradeable. name a team that would really want him/could trade for him. i cant think of a team that has the assets to make a trade that could want hinrich.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Re:Legit ?: Who should Start?? Hinrich vs Salmons?

To trade Hinrich, just find a team that is in need of a starting caliber PG. Hinrich is a starter in this league, I don't care how bad you think he is. He is versatile enough to play a bit of the 2 in short spurts and he plays solid defense, even against the occasional SF. He could have easily been traded to Portland this summer.

In what would be essentially a Hinrich dump
Team: Kirk Hinrich
Bulls: $9 million worth of stuff

 

[jsain360]

Chitown773 wrote:

Salmons: Drive and creates his own field goals. He can finish in contact. Great Triple Threat player. Burst on the scene with limited papers in his portfolio. Solid defender with length. Can play 2 position. +5

Hinrich: Not good one-on-one. Limited at 2 guard. Flat jumper. Solid man to man defense. High IQ player that can manage but won't get you over the top on a daily basis. +2

Also, Kirk is a horrible finisher

 

[jsain360]

Hinrich's best role for this team is to be the 6th man, I think he'll be a better bench player than starter.