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It seems the crux of the issue, is that bulls need a sg. There are 5 starting positions to be filled. Pg, sg, SF, pf, and C. the bulls have filled 3 of the aforementioned positions, guess which ones? they have a starting pg, sf, and center. They have an amazing back up pf/fringe starting pf. No matter what, the bulls need improvements in both the sg postion and pf position.
I guess there are two ways to look at the debate in terms of sg. the first is that kirk hinrich is our starting sg for the future. The other is that we're saving cash to pursue a sg in free agency.
If hinrich is your starting sg, we made the wrong choice, simply for the reason that hinrich isn't better(arguably worse at the sg position) than gordon. If you're pursuing a free agent, you need to make sure that the free agent is a better fit than gordon. To do so you'd have to look at his talent, contract, age, and chemistry (i'm using chemistry for a lack of a better word. Really you need someone capable of playing with rose and capable of spacing the floor).
Before it's mentioned, i dont believe that matching the piston's offer was the proper decision to make. Ben goron is not good enough for 12 million a year. HOWEVER, ben gordon is a steal at 8 million. Trading hinrich for expiring contracts ( like mccants etc) and keeping gordon for 8 million WAS the right move.
With gordon in the lineup our shooting guard position is set for the next 5 years.
On the other hand, i realize that the goal is to sign a big name free agent this year, so eh, maybe we get something, and i'm completely wrong.
However i'd be willing to retract the statement if one of the following happens,
we sign a free agent that's better than gordon and worth his contract
: the only sg i can think of that would be worth it, would be wade.
We pull of a miracle sign and trade for a sg that's better than/equal to gordon and is on a good contract
: roy, kobe,
We manage to get a good prospect through the draft or trade
: we get mayo, harden, eric gordon or a good draft pick
We manage to get a good/decent player on a good contract.
: really the only shooting guard i can think of is kevin martin
I'd consider the failure to sign gordon a catastrophic loss if :
we get a player on a simliar contract whose arguably worse than gordon
: hinrich. (in spite of the fact that i'm starting to like hinrich, he's not a SG, and while playing sg, he is worse than gordon. )
crawford, steven jackson(maybe?)
We get an aging player who may have been better than gordon at point, but is in a point in his career that he should no longer be a important part of the bulls future:
:ray allen, vince carter, rip hamilton, michael redd, jason terry, manu ginobli
We get a player who is on/ will be on a bad contract:
stephen jackson, j rich, hamilton, vince carter JOE JOHNSON you can atleast make an argument for either jackson or j-rich. Albeit more talented than his peers, Johnson is going to be the worst of this lot. i predict johnson to be next rahard lewis. for those who were not aware, lewis is making over 20 million this year.
we a decent/good player on a bad contract who is a bad fit for this team:
: MONTE ELLIS, iggy/brewer - either is naturally a sf and not a great shooter. deng rose and any of them would not be good enough to overcome the serious lacking of spacing on the floor caused by this lineup. (this is in contrast to the overwhelming amount of talent that a lineup of rose, deng, and james/wade would bring)
i forgot to add rudy ***. he's a sf, not a sg.
hinrich seems to belong this category as well...
we get a player whose not as good as gordon and shows no sign of being anything beyond a bench player
JR smith, courtney lee(a good bench player, but a bench player nonetheless)
I guess there are two ways to look at the debate in terms of sg. the first is that kirk hinrich is our starting sg for the future. The other is that we're saving cash to pursue a sg in free agency.
If hinrich is your starting sg, we made the wrong choice, simply for the reason that hinrich isn't better(arguably worse at the sg position) than gordon. If you're pursuing a free agent, you need to make sure that the free agent is a better fit than gordon. To do so you'd have to look at his talent, contract, age, and chemistry (i'm using chemistry for a lack of a better word. Really you need someone capable of playing with rose and capable of spacing the floor).
Before it's mentioned, i dont believe that matching the piston's offer was the proper decision to make. Ben goron is not good enough for 12 million a year. HOWEVER, ben gordon is a steal at 8 million. Trading hinrich for expiring contracts ( like mccants etc) and keeping gordon for 8 million WAS the right move.
With gordon in the lineup our shooting guard position is set for the next 5 years.
On the other hand, i realize that the goal is to sign a big name free agent this year, so eh, maybe we get something, and i'm completely wrong.
However i'd be willing to retract the statement if one of the following happens,
we sign a free agent that's better than gordon and worth his contract
: the only sg i can think of that would be worth it, would be wade.
We pull of a miracle sign and trade for a sg that's better than/equal to gordon and is on a good contract
: roy, kobe,
We manage to get a good prospect through the draft or trade
: we get mayo, harden, eric gordon or a good draft pick
We manage to get a good/decent player on a good contract.
: really the only shooting guard i can think of is kevin martin
I'd consider the failure to sign gordon a catastrophic loss if :
we get a player on a simliar contract whose arguably worse than gordon
: hinrich. (in spite of the fact that i'm starting to like hinrich, he's not a SG, and while playing sg, he is worse than gordon. )
crawford, steven jackson(maybe?)
We get an aging player who may have been better than gordon at point, but is in a point in his career that he should no longer be a important part of the bulls future:
:ray allen, vince carter, rip hamilton, michael redd, jason terry, manu ginobli
We get a player who is on/ will be on a bad contract:
stephen jackson, j rich, hamilton, vince carter JOE JOHNSON you can atleast make an argument for either jackson or j-rich. Albeit more talented than his peers, Johnson is going to be the worst of this lot. i predict johnson to be next rahard lewis. for those who were not aware, lewis is making over 20 million this year.
we a decent/good player on a bad contract who is a bad fit for this team:
: MONTE ELLIS, iggy/brewer - either is naturally a sf and not a great shooter. deng rose and any of them would not be good enough to overcome the serious lacking of spacing on the floor caused by this lineup. (this is in contrast to the overwhelming amount of talent that a lineup of rose, deng, and james/wade would bring)
i forgot to add rudy ***. he's a sf, not a sg.
hinrich seems to belong this category as well...
we get a player whose not as good as gordon and shows no sign of being anything beyond a bench player
JR smith, courtney lee(a good bench player, but a bench player nonetheless)
