Little Pakistani Girl Arrested for Blasphemy And Some Are Demanding She Be Killed

[bri]

I read this story the other day about the 11 year old girl in Pakistan accused of Blasphemy and that people were calling for her to be put to death. She is apparently a minority Christian in a dominantly Muslim country. I am appalled at the way women and children are treated in that part of the world. It is speculated that she may even suffer from Downs Syndrome. The article I read the other day said it is not uncommon for people to unjustly accuse people of that out of hatred or because of a vendetta. Here is a link to the updated story.





http://news.yahoo.com/pakistani-girl-accused-blasphemy-traumatized-activist-101254340.html

 

[TSD]

isn't religion grand?

 

[winos5]

She's a girl with special needs? By current standards in the Islamic State of Pakistan I think that makes her less than human.

 

[sth]

This is the same country where women who are raped are often murdered by their families for shaming the family. Apparently another man accused of blasphemy in Pakistan was burned alive by an angry mob earlier this month. Glad I don't live in Pakistan.

 

[the canadian dream]

Isn't it harm warming when you hear these stories from other countries with their horrible ideals and belief systems. Sort of makes your own country seem no so bad after bitching and complaining about it for 24 hours. Division bells no longer ring. Thanks Pakistan and your crimes against humanity. For a few minutes it has allowed us all to forget about our own countries fucked up ideals and systems.



Now lets get back to talking about the Jews and Hollywood.





Seriously this is a very sad story. Pakistan is guilty of a lot of crimes against humanity. Lots of issues in Pakistan. Political and religious ideals which are very hard if not impossible to separate now. Usually what happens when you open the door for it. Poor girl I hope someone can help her immigrate if that becomes the only solution or option. Yah I used the horrible scary "immigrate' word.

 

[KMChechASS69r]

It's not just Pakistan but any followers of Islam. Since Muhammad crawled out of his favorite prayer cave and proclaimed that Moses aint got shit on him (I was paraphrasing there), Christians and Muslims have been going at it. Being the 2 dominant religions of the world, Hinduism third, history is replete with conflict between the two. There are few locations in the world where this conflict has not touched. It's not just Christians and Muslims that are at odds with each other, history is also full of examples of conflict between all religions.



In countries where Christianity is the dominant religion, there tends to be more of a delineation between religion and politics. With Islam, it is quite the opposite. It is extremely difficult to deal with a people whose religious beliefs drives every aspect of their lives. It's a fucked up world we live in and one that is hard to fathom.



I agree and hope its possible to get her out of the deplorable situation, my heart bleeds for her, for I am sure she has no fucking idea what and why this is happening.

 

[TSD]

It's not just Pakistan but any followers of Islam. Since Muhammad crawled out of his favorite prayer cave and proclaimed that Moses aint got shit on him (I was paraphrasing there), Christians and Muslims have been going at it. Being the 2 dominant religions of the world, Hinduism third, history is replete with conflict between the two. There are few locations in the world where this conflict has not touched. It's not just Christians and Muslims that are at odds with each other, history is also full of examples of conflict between all religions.



In countries where Christianity is the dominant religion, there tends to be more of a delineation between religion and politics. With Islam, it is quite the opposite. It is extremely difficult to deal with a people whose religious beliefs drives every aspect of their lives. It's a fucked up world we live in and one that is hard to fathom.



I agree and hope its possible to get her out of the deplorable situation, my heart bleeds for her, for I am sure she has no fucking idea what and why this is happening.

I hate to disagree with you. You are putting too much emphasis on the religion. The reason in the west we enjoy such "freedom from religion" has nothing to do with Christianity, It has everything to do with individuals and movements that challenged the religious authority, and brought about change. No longer could they burn "witches", force conversions, call crusades or try people for blashphemy (oh except for Ireland, they still have blasphemy laws, not death, but try a 22,000 pound fine.) and this isnt some old law that isn't recognized anymore its actually relatively new http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/01/irish-atheists-challenge-blasphemy-law



Now what you have to look at is, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the middle east became backward, it is a medieval society, full of superstition and archaic mindsets. Now contrast that with Turkey, which was the seat of power for the old Ottoman empire, and has maintained modern education, standards of living, and despite being over 90% muslim, is a very secular nation. When you compare the average education between say a child in the US and a child in Afghanistan. Ignorance is the fuel for the religious zealotry fire. And it even still exists in Western societies. Look at Fred Phelps conclave, David Koresh et al.



To just imply the Christianity is the reason we are "enlightened" and Islam is the reason they are "backward", is blatantly ignorant of geo-political history.

 

[MassHavoc]

This country is as intertwined with religion and politics and any other. Hell, they try to tie Obama to Islam for just this reason. I can't think of any reasonable presidential candidate that hasn't come out and declared his love of some form of Christianity. As a matter of fact, Romney is probably it. So, I guess he won't be winning. I think the only way he's getting away with it is because not enough people saw Big Love, and he's white and there have been no Mormon terrorists. I'm actually shocked that him being Mormon isn't brought up more. It's as relevant as any of the other BS that gets slung around like the Birther stuff, and the Columbia stuff.

 

[TSD]

This country is as intertwined with religion and politics and any other. Hell, they try to tie Obama to Islam for just this reason. I can't think of any reasonable presidential candidate that hasn't come out and declared his love of some form of Christianity. As a matter of fact, Romney is probably it. So, I guess he won't be winning. I think the only way he's getting away with it is because not enough people saw Big Love, and he's white and there have been no Mormon terrorists. I'm actually shocked that him being Mormon isn't brought up more. It's as relevant as any of the other BS that gets slung around like the Birther stuff, and the Columbia stuff.

Mountain Meadows Massacre. Mormons in Utah slaughtered an entire wagon train of American pioneers (on 9/11..........1857). The only ones a spared were really young children (because they assumed they would be too young to convey to authorities what happened.)

 

[sth]

Mountain Meadows Massacre. Mormons in Utah slaughtered an entire wagon train of American pioneers. The only ones a spared were really young children.

And they tried to blame it on the Indians in the area. The mormon man accused of leading the Massacre John Lee claimed he wasn't ordered by leader Brigham Young. But I would call that iffy. The US army nearly fought with the Mormons but the church backed down at the last minute.

 

[bri]

People are insane. I just read on yahoo that in Afghanistan 17 people got their heads lopped off at a party. Killing someone is heinous enough, but you have to be totally out of your mind to cut someone's head off.

 

[sth]

People are insane. I just read on yahoo that in Afghanistan 17 people got their heads lopped off at a party. Killing someone is heinous enough, but you have to be totally out of your mind to cut someone's head off.

And they did it cause it was a mixed boy/girl party. And that is considered 'unislamic' according to the Taliban. Basically it was a school dance.

 

[MassHavoc]

You guys are some history jerks, haha... no one is still alive when it happened (non-supernatural being) so it doesn't count

 

[TSD]

You guys are some history jerks, haha... no one is still alive when it happened (non-supernatural being) so it doesn't count

so 150 years from now, you can say there was no islamic terrorist attacks, because no one is alive that experienced them?

 

[MassHavoc]

so 150 years from now, you can say there was no islamic terrorist attacks, because no one is alive that experienced them?

No, they happened, they just won't have relevance on the current election.

 

[KMChechASS69r]

I hate to disagree with you. You are putting too much emphasis on the religion. The reason in the west we enjoy such "freedom from religion" has nothing to do with Christianity, It has everything to do with individuals and movements that challenged the religious authority, and brought about change. No longer could they burn "witches", force conversions, call crusades or try people for blashphemy (oh except for Ireland, they still have blasphemy laws, not death, but try a 22,000 pound fine.) and this isnt some old law that isn't recognized anymore its actually relatively new http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/01/irish-atheists-challenge-blasphemy-law



Now what you have to look at is, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the middle east became backward, it is a medieval society, full of superstition and archaic mindsets. Now contrast that with Turkey, which was the seat of power for the old Ottoman empire, and has maintained modern education, standards of living, and despite being over 90% muslim, is a very secular nation. When you compare the average education between say a child in the US and a child in Afghanistan. Ignorance is the fuel for the religious zealotry fire. And it even still exists in Western societies. Look at Fred Phelps conclave, David Koresh et al.



To just imply the Christianity is the reason we are "enlightened" and Islam is the reason they are "backward", is blatantly ignorant of geo-political history.

I wasn't implying that somehow Christians are "enlightened" and Muslims are "backward." I was merely making the point that in Christian nations, there is a more clear separation of church and state.





The differences between  Christian conceptions of state and church and those of other world religions are well  illustrated by reference to Islam. In the Muslim tradition, mosque is not church. The closest Islamic approximation to ‘state’ - dawla  - means, as a concept,  either  a ruler’s dynasty or his administration (Vatikiotis 1987 36). Only with the specific Durkheimian stipulation of church as the generic concept for moral community, priest for the custodians of the sacred law, and state for political community can we comfortably use these concepts in Islamic and other  non-Christian contexts.  On the theological level, the command-obedience nexus that constitutes the Islamic definition of authority is not demarcated by conceptual categories of religion and politics. Life as a physical reality is an expression of divine will and authority (qudrah’). There is no validity in separating the matters of piety from those of the polity; both are divinely ordained. Yet, although both religious and political authorities are legitimated Islamically, they invariably constitute two independent social institutions.



Hats off to your Turkish friends for they seem to be the exception to the rule. I do thank you tho, for the geo-political history lesson!

 

[sth]

And by the way some of our own politicians were commenting on how they don't want a secular system like Turkey and France. I guess the whole separating of church and state in our constitution slipped their minds.

 

[winos5]

Blasphemy charges for cleric





Allah works in mysterious ways.

 

[KMChechASS69r]

Blasphemy charges for cleric





Allah works in mysterious ways.

Yes, to borrow from another major religion, KARMA is a motherfucker!