Louis Riddick Tweet About QB's in General

[BaBaBlacksheep]

ANd Mac Jones is that guy

I'm a fan.

 

[Mdbearz]

RE: Hurts - Still trying to figure out what he is. I like his gameday demeanor and scrambling ability. I still have questions about his accuracy and I'm not sure I'll ever get over Saban rightfully benching him in the national championship game. All the same, with Wentz forcing his way out Hurts is plan A, so we'll see how it goes.

RE: Lance - He has a lot of positives which I like, but at the end of the day I'm left wondering is 18 games in college a large enough sample size especially considering none of those games were against any big programs. Kicking the crap out of North Alabama, Cal Poly and Colgate doesn't do much to move the needle. It's similar to when Wentz was drafted, but the difference is Wentz went to the Senior Bowl where NFL coaches got to do an apples to apples comparison with guys like Goff. Lance based on his age wasn't eligible.

RE: Arm Strength - I really don't think much of this. I've been told the greatest passing Pro Day ever was Jamarcus Russell. He showed a level of arm strength that wasn't previously seen by some scouts. There is a minimum amount of throwing power an NFL QB needs, but I think Hurts possesses that. IMHO touch is far better especially on deep balls. Look at Russell Wilson. He's got a cannon, but on his deep throws it's all about having that control, being able to put some air under it and dropping the ball in a spot where only the WR has a play.

With a bigger body of work, Trey Lance, I think might be out of reach, or he might have dropped, no one knows. The Bears are picking at 20 and if they are trying to trade that pick, it put the new team out of the realm of getting a 1st round QB, so it does lose a little bit of value.

In other words, I think if the Bears are wanting to get a QB in the draft, they are either going to have to spend a butt load draft capital or take a risk on a guy like Lance, assuming he gets past the Panthers at 7.

I'm fully confident that Pace is going to panic, and try to trade up into the top ten, and way over spend on a guy like Jones, so I'm not really sure why I would be getting my hopes up...... ?

 

[Pegger]

With a bigger body of work, Trey Lance, I think might be out of reach, or he might have dropped, no one knows. The Bears are picking at 20 and if they are trying to trade that pick, it put the new team out of the realm of getting a 1st round QB, so it does lose a little bit of value.

In other words, I think if the Bears are wanting to get a QB in the draft, they are either going to have to spend a butt load draft capital or take a risk on a guy like Lance, assuming he gets past the Panthers at 7.

I'm fully confident that Pace is going to panic, and try to trade up into the top ten, and way over spend on a guy like Jones, so I'm not really sure why I would be getting my hopes up...... ?

That last part sounds about right. I think Pace has been wanting to sell the farm for a QB, but hasn't been able to find anyone that's willing to deal.

Stafford? Lions wouldn't trade within the division, so was never really an option.
Wentz? He's picky and wanted Indy, so was never coming to Chicago.
Wilson? They offered a lot and Seattle opted to keep him.
Watson? He wasn't made available until the world found out how massage creepy he was.
Darnold? Sounds like he's staying a Jet.

The thing I'd say about Lance is that he has some Mitch to him. Smaller sample size, but good measurables. The same way Mitch gave Pace a draft boner there's a chance that happens again. The problem is when Pace get's that boner he starts negotiating against himself, which hurts the team.

 

[Mdbearz]

Not elite by any means but a good QB and he played near flawless football that post-season to win that SB for the Ravens. One of the more impressive post-seasons IMO.

Joe played out of his mind in the playoffs, and was honestly only average during the regular season with the team going 10-6, and if I remember correctly they lost the last game against the Bengals....But Joe turned into a different player in the playoffs.......

 

[Starion]

PFF had an interesting take on Mac Jones types on one of their podcasts.

Most of these guys who are the incredible accuracy and decision making profile but with only okay athleticism weren't great QB's as passers their first couple years (Brady, Manning, Brees, etc. all had struggles as passers even though its blasphemous to say now) and didn't look great as pure passers until they had time to develop and figure it out.

Their main point was that those types seem to take longer to develop since they don't have the athleticism that immediately translates from college from the first snap and also questioning in today's NFL (with all the pressure from the media and fans) whether these guys would have ever been given enough time to figure it out at all.

So basically Bears would need to be ready to be extra patient if they take him vs. one of the other QB prospects who's a better athlete... which to me it seems like would be an odd fit if Nagy and Pace really are done after this year without improvement.

Trouble is, the NFL is the Not For Long. Teams and moreover media/fans demand instant results. Rarely does a QB get the years to develop either from the bench or on field if failing. Coaches & systems get changed too often to even allow quality development.

Terry Bradshaw (that crazy bastard) is a HOF QB but sucked terribly his first what 6 years?? Payton Manning sucked early on too. The list goes on, but we're so quick to judge, our "fans" boo our rookie QBs before they even take a snap. Chicago is the worst of all.

 

[playthrough2001]

Trouble is, the NFL is the Not For Long. Teams and moreover media/fans demand instant results. Rarely does a QB get the years to develop either from the bench or on field if failing. Coaches & systems get changed too often to even allow quality development.

Terry Bradshaw (that crazy bastard) is a HOF QB but sucked terribly his first what 6 years?? Payton Manning sucked early on too. The list goes on, but we're so quick to judge, our "fans" boo our rookie QBs before they even take a snap. Chicago is the worst of all.

Drew Brees struggled early. Steve Young was considered a bust. Alex Smith took forever to develop into a good QB. Kurt Warner required a crazy amount of development before he put it together. Bear fans will never allow a QB to develop. This is one of the worst markets from that standpoint. For example, Trey Lance is just not ready. If he comes here, he will bust.

Look at Nagy... He’s a first time head coach. He’s 28-20 and has made the playoffs two of his three years here but the fan base is ready to run him out of town. He didn’t pick Mitch. Mitch needed at least a year on the bench before getting on the field. If Nagy had a good QB in 2018, the Bears had a decent shot at the Super Bowl. Mitch wasn’t ready. A good QB would have had them in a position that even Parkey would not have been able to **** up.

 

[mecha]

was there any validity to that thread about Nagy not coaching Trubisky? I find it unusual considering Nagy played quarterback, that should entirely be his wheelhouse. I always said Trubisky could do shit, he might string something together after holding the clipboard for a couple years if someone gets hurt. I just don't think despite all the efforts that have been made to reshape the team in this vision that it will ever be offense friendly. the moves Pace is making now should've been made in 2017, and he should've not traded up.

if they make the 7th seed of the playoffs again this year then we're going to definitely be in purgatory.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Louis Riddick gets it. I love this guy. While people get all excited over a QB's legs or how far he can throw it Riddick knows it's STILL about the basics...... Decision making and accuracy.

Yep!

What do you think I've been harping on the last couple weeks? why do you think I think Dalton will be better than a lot of people on this form give credit for?

By the way, if I was looking at just that trait, that Lewis Riddick mentions, and nothing else, you know who would be the number one quarterback in this draft?

Kyle Trask.

keep in mind that's in the bubble and ignoring the obvious limitations on the arm but, it still let you know that even NFL scouts don't have getting the quarterback down right and just like the fans will look at things that ultimately will not win you the big game.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Drew Brees struggled early. Steve Young was considered a bust. Alex Smith took forever to develop into a good QB. Kurt Warner required a crazy amount of development before he put it together. Bear fans will never allow a QB to develop. This is one of the worst markets from that standpoint. For example, Trey Lance is just not ready. If he comes here, he will bust.

Look at Nagy... He’s a first time head coach. He’s 28-20 and has made the playoffs two of his three years here but the fan base is ready to run him out of town. He didn’t pick Mitch. Mitch needed at least a year on the bench before getting on the field. If Nagy had a good QB in 2018, the Bears had a decent shot at the Super Bowl. Mitch wasn’t ready. A good QB would have had them in a position that even Parkey would not have been able to **** up.

it's not that Mitch wasn't ready. It's that Mitch wasn't good and Nagy knew it right away.

He's not perfect. It took him forever to get to Sam Mustapher, and only then due to injury. But once he sees something he'll at least stick with the good.

I'm curious what he can do with an above average quarterback like Dalton. I see an Alex Smith in Kansas City type situation brewing.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

was there any validity to that thread about Nagy not coaching Trubisky? I find it unusual considering Nagy played quarterback, that should entirely be his wheelhouse. I always said Trubisky could do shit, he might string something together after holding the clipboard for a couple years if someone gets hurt. I just don't think despite all the efforts that have been made to reshape the team in this vision that it will ever be offense friendly. the moves Pace is making now should've been made in 2017, and he should've not traded up.

if they make the 7th seed of the playoffs again this year then we're going to definitely be in purgatory.

There was nothing other than that report. But it could also be that as a quarterback Matt knew Mitch just didn't have it right away.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Yep!

What do you think I've been harping on the last couple weeks? why do you think I think Dalton will be better than a lot of people on this form give credit for?

By the way, if I was looking at just that trait, that Lewis Riddick mentions, and nothing else, you know who would be the number one quarterback in this draft?

Kyle Trask.

keep in mind that's in the bubble and ignoring the obvious limitations on the arm but, it still let you know that even NFL scouts don't have getting the quarterback down right and just like the fans will look at things that ultimately will not win you the big game.

Trask is next on my QB watching list.

 

[Luke]

Trask is next on my QB watching list.

I saw move the sticks yesterday and both DJ and Bucky had Trask ranked below Mills and Mond.
They were talking M&M could start coming off the board late 2nd, more likely 3rd round.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Trask is next on my QB watching list.

He reminds me a bit of a less mobile version of Alex Smith.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I saw move the sticks yesterday and both DJ and Bucky had Trask ranked below Mills and Mond.
They were talking M&M could start coming off the board late 2nd, more likely 3rd round.

A lot of those talking heads shows value tall mobile qbs with a big arm, so I'm not surprised

 

[Bearly]

I saw move the sticks yesterday and both DJ and Bucky had Trask ranked below Mills and Mond.
They were talking M&M could start coming off the board late 2nd, more likely 3rd round.

If the Bear pop for one of these guys in 2. I'm good.

 

[jerkstore]

I saw move the sticks yesterday and both DJ and Bucky had Trask ranked below Mills and Mond.
They were talking M&M could start coming off the board late 2nd, more likely 3rd round.

I’ve been wondering if we would see this as Trask has seemingly been losing some traction. I think his pro day is this week so maybe he rebounds a bit if that goes well.

Personally, I’d be happy with Mills or Trask in the third, maybe even pulling off a modest trade up to make it happen.