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This is no longer a story.

Everyone should move on to the Jets game because that is what the Bears are doing.
 

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You called his BPD diagnosis an "excuse."
So explain to me if he has a diagnosed mental disorder that causes inappropriate responses of rage, and you call him a POS woman beater using his diagnose as an excuse, are all mental disorders just excuses? Depression, Bipolar, PTSD, schizophrenia. Interesting.


Even with all of BM's issues at the time, his Psychiatrist wrote a letter about how SHE escalated physical violence both of his counseling sessions they attended with her getting physical by biting and scratching him on the back of his neck and shoulders....

Totally a toxic relationship....

Sounds like he was the calm one according to his Psychiatrist...
 

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Bernstein made an excellent point. Part of the common pathology of domestic abuse is the victim telling authorities it didn't really happen, and that many cases can't be prosecuted because of the lack of a willing victim to give evidence.

But nah, this letter, which was written after the couple had reconciled, couldn't possibly be that, could it?
 

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Bernstein made an excellent point. Part of the common pathology of domestic abuse is the victim telling authorities it didn't really happen, and that many cases can't be prosecuted because of the lack of a willing victim to give evidence.

But nah, this letter, which was written after the couple had reconciled, couldn't possibly be that, could it?


earlier I pointed this out.
 

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This is no longer a story.

Everyone should move on to the Jets game because that is what the Bears are doing.

Wait. WAIT. I was told by this sports radio guy who yells and belittles people so I know he's right that the Bears are upset and felt misled by what Brandon did!
 

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Wait. WAIT. I was told by this sports radio guy who yells and belittles people so I know he's right that the Bears are upset and felt misled by what Brandon did!

Yes, you ignore the issue and stick your head in the sand. Turn the other way because he's on your favorite football team. Good lad.
 

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Bernstein made an excellent point. Part of the common pathology of domestic abuse is the victim telling authorities it didn't really happen, and that many cases can't be prosecuted because of the lack of a willing victim to give evidence.

But nah, this letter, which was written after the couple had reconciled, couldn't possibly be that, could it?

She testified under oath, in court, the following year that she had written the letter so Marshall would not get in trouble. She recanted the letter under oath. Case was thrown out. Domestic Violence is not a clear cut thing of evil vs. good.
 

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Bernstein made an excellent point. Part of the common pathology of domestic abuse is the victim telling authorities it didn't really happen, and that many cases can't be prosecuted because of the lack of a willing victim to give evidence.

But nah, this letter, which was written after the couple had reconciled, couldn't possibly be that, could it?

If it was then we'll probably hear about it from her in the wake of Marshall's press conference. Until that happens however you have to take her at her own word. It's simply not fair to hammer Marshall on that point when she admits to lying.
 

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Yes, you ignore the issue and stick your head in the sand. Turn the other way because he's on your favorite football team. Good lad.

I see you've chosen to ignore a couple of my other posts in this thread, more specifically my first one from tonight a couple pages back.
 

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She testified under oath, in court, the following year that she had written the letter so Marshall would not get in trouble. She recanted the letter under oath. Case was thrown out. Domestic Violence is not a clear cut thing of evil vs. good.

Marshall himself even admitted the letter wasn't true. But look at all these fans so eager to assume it's legit and that the women are just money grabbing. Pathetic.
 

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Bears' Marshall has had complex history with domestic violence

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/18/brandon-marshall-chicago-bears-domestic-violence-charges

Chicago Bears star receiver Brandon Marshall has been named in at least eight separate incidents of violence against women since he was drafted in 2006. But none of those incidents led to a criminal conviction (several didn’t result in any charges filed), and the NFL suspended him only once, for one game. At a news conference outside Atlanta on Wednesday afternoon, renowned attorney Gloria Allred said Marshall’s case exemplifies how “the NFL is careful to afford due process to its players, but little or no due process to the women and children who are alleged to be victims of violence by those players.”

Allred arranged the media event for Clarence Watley and Kristeena Spivey, two people who say NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ignored them when they asked him discipline Marshall. Watley is the father of Rasheedah Watley, with whom Marshall had a long and sometimes contentious relationship, and Spivey is Rasheedah Watley’s close friend. They seemed sincere in their frustration with Goodell and the NFL. It was an opportune time to bring up the old incidents, given the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy scandals and Goodell’s increasing vulnerability in the court of public opinion.

“It is time for the sham investigations to end,” Allred said as she laid out a proposal that would reform the NFL’s investigation process and give more voice to witnesses and victims.


At a moment when people are tried and convicted on Twitter or TMZ in a matter of seconds, it’s not easy to have a nuanced discussion about domestic violence. We simply want to say it’s evil, and the perpetrators are evil, and the victims are good, and the NFL is complicit in the evil. No respectable person wants to be seen as anything other than vehemently against the evil male predators and vigorously in support of their courageous female victims.

Many times, it really is that simple. Good and evil, case closed. That said, the story of Brandon Marshall and Roger Goodell and domestic violence is slightly more complicated than it appeared to be at Gloria Allred’s news conference.

Spivey said she called and e-mailed Goodell, asking him to “speak some sense into Brandon.” Watley’s father said he wrote Goodell a long letter detailing Marshall’s transgressions. No one at the news conference mentioned Rasheedah Watley’s own letter to Goodell, which told a different story.

“My name is Rasheedah Watley, I am the ex girlfriend of Brandon Marshall,” she wrote in the letter, dated July 29, 2008, and obtained by Pro Football Talk. “I read in the newspapers that he is in trouble with the league because of me. I will let you know that he never hurt me or hit me, I was pressured by my family to make up certain things [to] get money. I was told to say that Brandon hit me and hurt me so that I could get him to pay to keep me quiet. I want you to know he never did.”

Watley changed her story at Marshall’s trial in Atlanta in 2009. She said under oath that the letter had been a lie to protect Marshall. A jury found Marshall not guilty of misdemeanor battery.

The incidents have been well covered in the media, most thoroughly by Lindsay H. Jones of The Denver Post (she now writes for USA Today). They are rife with the sort of conflicting information that can frustrate investigators in the absence of clear-cut evidence like the surveillance video from a casino in Atlantic City that showed Rice punching his then fiancée.

“In the wee hours of June 17, 2006,” Watley’s friend said at the news conference, “I received the very first of what seemed like a hundred calls from Rasheedah crying on the other end of the line. She told me that she was hiding in the bushes from Brandon, who had allegedly punched her in the face.”

Jones, the reporter, obtained the police report from the same date. Watley told deputies outside Orlando that Marshall had pushed her, slapped her and thrown an object at her head. Marshall said Watley punched him, scratched him and broke windows. Officers saw scratches on his chest. No charges were filed.

The NFL can discipline a player for an off-the-field incident even if there’s no conviction, but it’s easier to do so if there has at least been an arrest. Other incidents in Marshall’s history suggest that someone accused of domestic violence can avoid arrest simply by leaving before the police arrive. In another incident on March 18, 2007, Watley told police that Marshall had punched her and took her purse at a hotel in downtown Atlanta. Marshall was already gone when Watley gave her statement, but the report said he sent Watley a text message that said, “I am watching you. Why did you call the police?” No charges were filed.

That June, Watley’s friend Kristeena Spivey told police that Marshall had rammed her car with his own vehicle and smashed it with a hard object. Marshall was gone when police arrived and was not prosecuted. Later that month, Watley told police that Marshall had punched and choked her; the officer saw a bruise on Watley’s eye and scratches on her body. The officer told Watley how to get a restraining order.


In August 2008, the NFL suspended Marshall for three games for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy. But Marshall appealed the suspension, pledging to stay out of trouble, and the NFL reduced it to one game.
He did not stay out of trouble. On March 1, 2009, Atlanta police received a call of domestic dispute at Marshall’s home. When they arrived, officers saw Marshall and his fiancée, Michi Nogami-Campbell, kicking and punching each other on the sidewalk. Both were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct. Those charges were dismissed when they refused to testify against each other. This may have been Goodell’s best chance to severely punish Marshall, given the independent witnesses. Instead, Goodell gave him another warning.

Perhaps the most dangerous incident occurred on April 22, 2011, when deputies from the Broward County Sheriff’s office in Florida responded to Marshall’s home and found evidence of a violent struggle between him and his wife: a pool of blood by the front door, blood on Marshall’s shoes, blood on a clip of bullets, blood on a 13-inch kitchen knife. Michi Nogami-Marshall had a large bruise on her left cheek, as well as cuts on a foot and a finger. Brandon Marshall had cuts on both wrists and a wound to the abdomen that required minor surgery. Marshall’s wife told authorities she stabbed him in self-defense. Marshall was not charged. His wife was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.

The case raised an uncomfortable truth. There was no mention of this at Wednesday’s news conference, and there is little tolerance for it in the current discussion about the sins of the NFL. Nevertheless, it is possible for an NFL player to be both the perpetrator and the victim of domestic violence.

Time after time, in similar cases across the country, the victim lies to protect the abuser. This victim is usually a woman. But the victim can also be a man. That is what the Broward County authorities concluded after investigating the bloody incident with Marshall and his wife. She said she stabbed him, and they believed her.

Marshall had his own version of the story, an account that cleared his wife of wrongdoing. He said he had slipped and fallen on the broken shards of a glass vase. Never mind that there was no blood in the area to confirm what he said. The authorities dropped the charge.
 

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WHY ISN"T THIS SCUMBAG RBADON MARSHELL OFF THE TEAM YET.

THIS GUY IS A DISGRACE TOT EH GRAT FRANCHISE OF THE CHICAGO BARES.
 

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You clearly aren't capable of reading comprehension. I never said they were fake. I said they were supposedly written after the reconciliation of the couple.

I normally skip over your posts, but i accidentally read a couple in this thread. You are either trolling or bat shit crazy. For your own sake stop commenting. In your mind you are convincing people that your points are right, but in reality you are just parading your ignorance on the internet.
 

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WHY ISN"T THIS SCUMBAG RBADON MARSHELL OFF THE TEAM YET.

THIS GUY IS A DISGRACE TOT EH GRAT FRANCHISE OF THE CHICAGO BARES.

Who is saying that? Really? Marshall has reformed, improved himself, and should have nothing to worry about. He's a great player, great teammate, and seems to be a genuinely decent person. He was troubled before, which lead to problems. Does anyone deny that he is fortunate he overcame his troubles prior to the present atmosphere?
 

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And just about five hours ago he claimed the letter wasn't true.

But the issue is your belief that this ("this" being the story being brought forward yesterday) isn't really about the effort to expose the NFL's failure to deal with abuse appropriately, but rather is just an opportunistic money-grab by Allred (even though there's absolutely no civil litigation or money involved in it at all). So perhaps you should wear that tinfoil helmet yourself.
Do you believe Reverend al sharpton stirs up sit for the purposes of advancing civil rights?

Do us all a favor and at least do some cursory research on the topic. Fucking wikipedia this crazy manipulative piece of human shit lawyer.
 

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I have never participated in any of the political, sexual, religious or ethnic related threads on this message board, not that I don't care or don't have viewpoints, just come to this specific site to talk only about Bears football and have no desire to talk about these type things with people that I do not really know. Most seem like really nice people on here. This is soon becoming an exception, because I am really sick and tired of football related news being dominated by blowing out this type news whenever it involves a football player.

Talk to most any cop you know, and he will tell you that many of his days work is filled with domestic disputes more than anything. Talk to most people 50 years or older, and it was quite the norm when they were children for physical punishment to be in the mix. Football players are not exempt from the rest of the world. I am sure there are plenty of executives at major banks and corporate conglomerates that have had domestic disputes. It involves all races and ages.

I really do not have a point other than I expect football news to be just that. And if we are now going to dig into anything that any player did wrong in the last 5 years, the number of cases being discussed will be off the charts. Unfortunately, this is feeding on itself. This is just not good.
 

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