marshall press conference

[bearmick]

The truth is so inconvenient to Mick

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/brandon-marshall-responds-to-shakedown-attempt/

You're still ignoring the part about how she confessed that she lied in the letter in an effort to avoid getting Marshall in trouble. A classic part of the abuse pathology. Not that you'd be intrerested in that.

 

[Willis1524]

Because of the momentum that's been gained with these cases. It's the perfect time.

When you start from the standpoint of looking at all this as an effort to change that part of the culture within the league, as opposed to looking at it through the prism of assuming that the women are money-grabbing opportunists and abusive football players the victims, it all makes sense. Sadly that isn't happening, as many sports fans idolize their sports heroes more than they respect women.

But a case where there could have been a cash grab, and the player WAS disciplined and found not guilty in the courts? Seems like a reach to me.

 

[iueyedoc]

And ... once again (why not? Who doesn't love repeating themselves fifty times?)

And...once again, how has that ever stopped you with Jay Cutler bashing? Like you would ever shut up about a player you disliked due to boredom of repetion.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me where money has been exchanged.

Marshall yesterday...

He said he wished Allred would use her voice to help people who are struggling “and not use it as an opportunity to brand herself and to create a circus."

Same as I have said, where has G Allred been all this time? It's not like domestic violence in the NFL is a new thing. But get a few high profile players with pictures and video and look out. If she had genuine concern she would have banging the drum for years. Do you think she sought out Watleys friend and dad because they were the poster child for this issue? No, she couldn't get in on the real action, not even Watley herself, so she dredged around until she could get someone to get a press conference with. Why? Why, with all the current victims did she get the friend and father of an alleged victim from 6 years ago. One reason, to get her face on the TV. Lawyers take high profile cases pro bono for one reason, future income from the notoriety, it's not really not that hard to understand.

 

[bearmick]

Now Mick, if Marshall's illness was made up by him, and him turning his life around, and becoming a pillar instead of a recidivist, was just him being calculated, then wouldn't he just have continued with his behavior? If a "wife beater" is what he IS, then he would still be bearing his wife.

BPD is a common result of people who suffered abuse as a child. Marshall was a wife beater, but since getting to the root of what his issues stemmed from, Brandon is striving to break that cycle of violence.

What I find funny, is that when a woman breaks a law, the first thing the general public asks, is "who did something to her, that made her do that?". They seldom ask that about a man. That is because people who see women as weaker, or as merely someone who is acted upon, and is only a victim to their circumstances are the true mysoginists, and not the people that they accuse of the same.

Your continual stance on Marshall is sad. You honestly don't believe in rehabilitation.

Yes, I do.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Mick don't ya believe people change? I mean Marshall is probably one of the best dudes we have on the team. I don't mean talent wise, even though he fits that category as well. I don't see him as a wife beater anymore. I mean technically he was one. But now he got help and did a complete 180 on his life and I think it's great.

 

[bearmick]

And...once again, how has that ever stopped you with Jay Cutler bashing?

What an absurd comparison.

The Cutler stuff is about his on-field performances for the Bears. He's the fucking QB.

Wow.

 

[Schmidtaki]

You're still ignoring the part about how she confessed that she lied in the letter in an effort to avoid getting Marshall in trouble. A classic part of the abuse pathology. Not that you'd be intrerested in that.

Mick I'm with you but I believe we all make choices and she made the choice to lie in the letter. Its easy to come back now and say you lied, whether she actually did or is just saying that now is irrelevant, she made the choice to lie. If this was a man that did this there would be no second guessing or sympathy being put forth by anyone. Just saying while respect for women is definitely lacking, if the genders were reversed the man would be shamed out of the public light.

 

[bearmick]

I find it funny how there's an unlimited amount of patience, thoughtfulness and admiration for a guy like Marshall who has taken the heroic step of stopping beating the shit out of women, yet nobody seems remotely interested in the fact that abused women commonly tell authorities that the abuse isn't really happening. But no, everyone just assumes the letter was genuine and Marshall (a known abuser in other instances) was the victim of money-grabbing opportunism.

Truly unbelievable. Makes me want to throw up.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

I still love you mick.

 

[bearmick]

I still love you mick.

Back atcha bruh.

 

[ursamajor]

You're still ignoring the part about how she confessed that she lied in the letter in an effort to avoid getting Marshall in trouble. A classic part of the abuse pathology. Not that you'd be intrerested in that.

What about the fact that she is not parading around with Gloria Allred?

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[iueyedoc]

Mick help me with this.

BM was an admittedly abusive man 6 years ago that was diagnosed and successfully treated for BPD.

He was never charged, but was disciplined for his actions by the NFL.

He now is probably the leader in all of athletics pushing for recognition and treatment of that disorder.

You believe in rehabilitation.

You call BM ..."the calculated, manipulative wife beater he is", a POS, and say he hides behind the mental illness as an excuse.

The two sentiments are incongruent.

You are lying about one of them, which is it?

 

[bearmick]

What about the fact that she is not parading around with Gloria Allred?

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What about it?

 

[Schmidtaki]

I don't know about Mick but from my perspective we live in a world full of bad things and life is too short to carry around hate and disdain for the people around you, I find it better to forgive those that have wronged you and move on as you can't really move on when you are holding on to anger and hold others in contempt.

#HeOleingTogether guys, just let it go, no reason to carry that weight around.

 

[iueyedoc]

I find it funny how there's an unlimited amount of patience, thoughtfulness and admiration for a guy like Marshall who has taken the heroic step of stopping beating the shit out of women, yet nobody seems remotely interested in the fact that abused women commonly tell authorities that the abuse isn't really happening. But no, everyone just assumes the letter was genuine and Marshall (a known abuser in other instances) was the victim of money-grabbing opportunism.

Truly unbelievable. Makes me want to throw up.

Again disregarding he has a mental illness that he deals with daily!!!!

And there is proof of extortion, that's just a fact, but I don't think anyone said BM was an angel. He was in a relationship that resulted in bite marks and stab wounds. I think there was a little mental illness and abuse on both sides of that relationship.

 

[Nick80]

Is that why this thread is 22/23 pages long?

Seems like internet denizens feel differently about this Schimd.

 

[Schmidtaki]

Is that why this thread is 22/23 pages long?

Seems like internet denizens feel differently about this Schimd.

It would seem so Nick, just trying to fit a bit of wisdom in but I don't think it's helping.

 

[bearmick]

Mick help me with this.

BM was an admittedly abusive man 6 years ago that was diagnosed and successfully treated for BPD.

He was never charged, but was disciplined for his actions by the NFL.

He now is probably the leader in all of athletics pushing for recognition and treatment of that disorder.

You believe in rehabilitation.

You call BM ..."the calculated, manipulative wife beater he is", a POS, and say he hides behind the mental illness as an excuse.

The two sentiments are incongruent.

You are lying about one of them, which is it?

you seem adamant to move the goalposts from what I originally entered this thread to say, to making it about Marshall personally. I'm not going to do that. All i'll say about that is that I do believe that he's turned his behavior around and no longer beats women. I'm glad he doesn't, though I don't consider it anything heroic to stop being abusive. The bare minimum an abuser should do is stop abusing. That said, I thought he tried to make himself sound like a victim yesterday, and I have no time for that.

I'll say once again that I'm disgusted by the fact that so many of you have all the patience and understanding in the world for Marshall, delving into his mental illness and not making judgements, but there's no consideration regarding the ACTUAL victims in all this - the women who get their faces smashed in by these poor men who we must feel sorry for. The whole issue regarding the typical abused victim pathology with denying the abuse to authorities to avoid getting their abuser in trouble is just swept aside and ignored. Because we have no time for that, do we? Better to just assume that all the women involved are out to get more of these poor men's money.

For the last time, show me the evidence that the emergence of this over the last couple of days is about a money grab, as opposed to exposing the league's failure to deal with abuse by players. If you can't do that, don't bother responding or asking me any more questions when you refuse to answer mine.

 

[iueyedoc]

What an absurd comparison.

The Cutler stuff is about his on-field performances for the Bears. He's the fucking QB.

Wow.

So you are so outraged by JC's play you don't mind harping about it ad nauseam , but BM, the POS, manipulative, wife beater that he is, is only worth a mild protest when they traded for him?

Talk about misplaced moral outrage.

 

[bearmick]

So you are so outraged by JC's play you don't mind harping about it ad nauseam , but BM, the POS, manipulative, wife beater that he is, is only worth a mild protest when they traded for him?

Talk about misplaced moral outrage.

I'm not morally outraged by Cutler's inconsistency at all.

It's a football message board where we discuss the Bears. I'm always going to talk about Bears stuff here first and foremost. I didn't spend years talking about Sam Hurd either. Doesn't mean I don't consider his crimes to be serious. Away with this irrational nonsense.