marshall press conference

[ijustposthere]

you seem adamant to move the goalposts from what I originally entered this thread to say, to making it about Marshall personally. I'm not going to do that. All i'll say about that is that I do believe that he's turned his behavior around and no longer beats women. I'm glad he doesn't, though I don't consider it anything heroic to stop being abusive. The bare minimum an abuser should do is stop abusing. That said, I thought he tried to make himself sound like a victim yesterday, and I have no time for that.

I'll say once again that I'm disgusted by the fact that so many of you have all the patience and understanding in the world for Marshall, delving into his mental illness and not making judgements, but there's no consideration regarding the ACTUAL victims in all this - the women who get their faces smashed in by these poor men who we must feel sorry for. The whole issue regarding the typical abused victim pathology with denying the abuse to authorities to avoid getting their abuser in trouble is just swept aside and ignored. Because we have no time for that, do we? Better to just assume that all the women involved are out to get more of these poor men's money.

For the last time, show me the evidence that the emergence of this over the last couple of days is about a money grab, as opposed to exposing the league's failure to deal with abuse by players. If you can't do that, don't bother responding or asking me any more questions when you refuse to answer mine.

You've been defending a woman who is apparently just as abusive and manipulative as Marshall used to be. I don't see how that helps your argument in the slightest. Not to mention, coming out now when the NFL is down, following the lead, just seems like a scream for attention, not championing for woman's rights.

 

[Desperado34]

Marshall and wife expecting twins!

Woo!

Congrats Brandon!

 

[bearmick]

You've been defending a woman who is apparently just as abusive and manipulative as Marshall used to be. I don't see how that helps your argument in the slightest. Not to mention, coming out now when the NFL is down, following the lead, just seems like a scream for attention, not championing for woman's rights.

You don't see why they would see this is current momentum as a chance to make an impact with their goal of exposing the league?

 

[Bearin' Down]

you seem adamant to move the goalposts from what I originally entered this thread to say, to making it about Marshall personally. I'm not going to do that. All i'll say about that is that I do believe that he's turned his behavior around and no longer beats women. I'm glad he doesn't, though I don't consider it anything heroic to stop being abusive. The bare minimum an abuser should do is stop abusing. That said, I thought he tried to make himself sound like a victim yesterday, and I have no time for that.

This is 100% correct. Having said that, Marshall could very well become a champion for mental health in the United States. In that regard, he may well end up being a "hero." But, you're right, refraining from injuring someone does not make you a hero.

I'll say once again that I'm disgusted by the fact that so many of you have all the patience and understanding in the world for Marshall, delving into his mental illness and not making judgements, but there's no consideration regarding the ACTUAL victims in all this - the women who get their faces smashed in by these poor men who we must feel sorry for. The whole issue regarding the typical abused victim pathology with denying the abuse to authorities to avoid getting their abuser in trouble is just swept aside and ignored. Because we have no time for that, do we? Better to just assume that all the women involved are out to get more of these poor men's money.

I will say that it's hard to have sympathy for someone you don't know. Brandon Marshall appears in the spot light. He is a star wide receiver. He appears on TV and radio shows. We know know very personal information about him. So, while he might not know us, we know him. I'm sure if his victim were in the same position, it would be harder to forgive him. But we don't know anything about her. Without knowing for a fact, it would seem that our brains tend to recognize people like Brandon Marshall as our friends. So, we are probably more likely to forgive them for their transgressions.

But yes, we should definitely be more mindful of the victims. But like with everything, I don't think we should categorically reject someone based on past transgressions (and I'm not saying you're doing this, I'm just typing). I think we should always be open to forgiveness, if someone proves they are worthy of it. I think Brandon Marshall has proven just that.

 

[da_bears6]

You've been defending a woman who is apparently just as abusive and manipulative as Marshall used to be. I don't see how that helps your argument in the slightest. Not to mention, coming out now when the NFL is down, following the lead, just seems like a scream for attention, not championing for woman's rights.

Only men can be abusive!

Also lets completely ignore the fact that she tried to extort him.

 

[MakeMyDay]

You're still ignoring the part about how she confessed that she lied in the letter in an effort to avoid getting Marshall in trouble. A classic part of the abuse pathology. Not that you'd be intrerested in that.

Nobody is ignoring anything but you...Yes she recanted in a court of law...So according to you that cancels out her confession somehow... I don't buy that but, for your lack of cognative ability, let us say it does...
BM was still aquited and found "NOT GUILTY" by the jury of his peers.

Then there is that whole shakedown for cash to the toon of a million dollars from letters he posted to the press from her lawyers.

Don't worry Mick there are plenty of victims out there...Just not the one you want.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/brandon-marshall-responds-to-shakedown-attempt/

 

[Nick80]

It would seem so Nick, just trying to fit a bit of wisdom in but I don't think it's helping.

I thought it was pretty good Schmid, but I am a biased onlooker/lurker!

 

[iueyedoc]

you seem adamant to move the goalposts from what I originally entered this thread to say, to making it about Marshall personally. I'm not going to do that.

Calling him a POS,manipulative wife beater using BPD as an excuse is not making it about him??!!

I'll say once again that I'm disgusted by the fact that so many of you have all the patience and understanding in the world for Marshall, delving into his mental illness and not making judgements, but there's no consideration regarding the ACTUAL victims in all this - the women who get their faces smashed in by these poor men who we must feel sorry for. The whole issue regarding the typical abused victim pathology with denying the abuse to authorities to avoid getting their abuser in trouble is just swept aside and ignored. Because we have no time for that, do we? Better to just assume that all the women involved are out to get more of these poor men's money.

For the last time, show me the evidence that the emergence of this over the last couple of days is about a money grab, as opposed to exposing the league's failure to deal with abuse by players. If you can't do that, don't bother responding or asking me any more questions when you refuse to answer mine.

1)Marshall...Bear, Dolphin, Bronco, it doesn't matter. He is a man that has changed himself and is working tirelessly to make aware and change others. It's that simple. There are some on here that back AP and Ray Rice, that's their opinion, misguided or not, it's about the action not the team he plays for.
2)There is no assumption that there was an extortion attempt. There are emails!! Whether he /she or both were abusive there are simple facts that the asked for between $100,000-$1,000,000 on more than one occasion.
3)Read post #423. G Allred's dog and pony show. Again, where was her outrage before it became noteworthy enough ( read: financially beneficial) to get her face on TV? Is it that hard to understand her motivation?

So there are your answers.

 

[bearmick]

Nobody is ignoring anything but you...Yes she recanted in a court of law...So according to you that cancels out her confession somehow... I don't buy that but, for your lack of cognative ability, let us say it does...
BM was still aquited and found "NOT GUILTY" by the jury of his peers.

Then there is that whole shakedown for cash to the toon of a million dollars from letters he posted to the press from her lawyers.

Don't worry Mick there are plenty of victims out there...Just not the one you want.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/brandon-marshall-responds-to-shakedown-attempt/

That's the same article. Christ, you're too stupid to reason with. At least the eye doc has a brain.

 

[ijustposthere]

This is 100% correct. Having said that, Marshall could very well become a champion for mental health in the United States. In that regard, he may well end up being a "hero." But, you're right, refraining from injuring someone does not make you a hero.

A hero? Not exactly. But to minimize his struggle as simply an "abuser that stopped abusing" is disingenuous.

I will say that it's hard to have sympathy for someone you don't know. Brandon Marshall appears in the spot light. He is a star wide receiver. He appears on TV and radio shows. We know know very personal information about him. So, while he might not know us, we know him. I'm sure if his victim were in the same position, it would be harder to forgive him. But we don't know anything about her. Without knowing for a fact, it would seem that our brains tend to recognize people like Brandon Marshall as our friends. So, we are probably more likely to forgive them for their transgressions.

Maybe, if this were a new allegation. This is old shit, with a woman who sounds like she was just as abusive. I don't see very many people defending Ray Rice or Adrian Peterson, who are arguably more likeable than Brandon Marshall has been. I don't forgive him for his past transgressions, but I do commend him on realizing something was wrong, taking action to fix it, and becoming a better man because of it.

But yes, we should definitely be more mindful of the victims. But like with everything, I don't think we should categorically reject someone based on past transgressions (and I'm not saying you're doing this, I'm just typing). I think we should always be open to forgiveness, if someone proves they are worthy of it. I think Brandon Marshall has proven just that.

Agreed.

 

[bearmick]

There is no assumption that there was an extortion attempt. There are emails!! Whether he /she or both were abusive there are simple facts that the asked for between $100,000-$1,000,000 on more than one occasion.

No, I'm asking where the evidence is that this exposure over the last couple of days is about a money grab, and not about the attempt to expose the league. The fact that she wanted money from Marshall years ago is not what I'm asking, and not what I entered this thread about.

Read post #423. G Allred's dog and pony show. Again, where was her outrage before it became noteworthy enough ( read: financially beneficial) to get her face on TV? Is it that hard to understand her motivation?

So there are your answers.

You ask where the outrage was before it became noteworthy. I'm saying that the fact that this whole issue with all these abuse scandals is going down right now is precisely why it's logical to bring this to the forefront now. There's actual momentum towards the goal of really exposing the league's failure to deal properly with abuse. Before last week, there wasn't.

Like I said earlier, if you stop viewing this whole thing through the prism of assuming that it's all an opportunistic effort on the part of the women to gain attention and/or money (for which there's STILL no evidence), and look at it as being about what they're telling us it's about, it makes far more sense.

It seems that nobody can get their head around the possibility that these women are interested in anything other than money and attention.

 

[Bearin' Down]

A hero? Not exactly. But to minimize his struggle as simply an "abuser that stopped abusing" is disingenuous.




Maybe, if this were a new allegation. This is old shit, with a woman who sounds like she was just as abusive. I don't see very many people defending Ray Rice or Adrian Peterson, who are arguably more likeable than Brandon Marshall has been. I don't forgive him for his past transgressions, but I do commend him on realizing something was wrong, taking action to fix it, and becoming a better man because of it.



Agreed.

Yes, Marshall's case isn't as simple as saying this guy hit her he should be punished. Let's say he did hit her (as far as I've read this may not have happened?), the facts are that he was in a toxic relationship, where he was likely the victim more often than not of emotional and physical abuse, and he was dealing with an EXTREMELY SERIOUS mental disease.

For those of you who have no idea what the symptoms are of borderline personality disorder, you should quickly read through this: http://psychcentral.com/disorders/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms/.

One such symptom is physical fights. While it's never okay to hit someone, it was still a part of his mental disorder.

 

[ijustposthere]

You don't see why they would see this is current momentum as a chance to make an impact with their goal of exposing the league?

So this was the plan all along? Wait half a decade until the opportunity arrived then strike? I'm not buying it. The only ones that suddenly realized the NFL was mishandling domestic abuse cases were the ones that never gave much a shit and allowed it to happen in the first place. Hell, even after the Ray Rice incident, no one gave a shit. There was no outrage. Then a video comes out and it's, "ZOMG, WHAT HAS THE NFL BEEN DOING TO STOP THIS?!!!!" It's basically manufactured outrage. Once the public loses interest, it will be essentially back to the status quo. I mean, were domestic violence groups protesting the NFL at any time during all the domestic abuse cases before this? Not really. You know why? Because the public didn't care. Now that the public has an interest in this story, you're going to have some people seeking the spotlight. Gloria Allred is one of those people.

 

[iueyedoc]

It seems that nobody can get their head around the poosibility that these women are interested in anything other than money and attention.

The only "women" I see as looking to gain financially is Gloria Allred, and that speaks to her being a vulturous lawyer, not a female. As for the friend and dad she is prancing around, they may have genuine concern, they may want their 15 minutes of fame it isn't pertinent to why G Allred called a press conference. Maybe I missed them, but were there press conferences for AP's kid, or the other alleged victims the last 2-3 days? G Allred is a grandstanding self-promotionalist, period. There are plenty of people that work behind the scenes to help victims of abuse daily that don't feel the need to seek out some tangential player in a 6 yr old adjudicated abuse case and drag them before the cameras.

 

[bearmick]

So this was the plan all along? Wait half a decade until the opportunity arrived then strike? I'm not buying it. The only ones that suddenly realized the NFL was mishandling domestic abuse cases were the ones that never gave much a shit and allowed it to happen in the first place. Hell, even after the Ray Rice incident, no one gave a shit. There was no outrage. Then a video comes out and it's, "ZOMG, WHAT HAS THE NFL BEEN DOING TO STOP THIS?!!!!" It's basically manufactured outrage. Once the public loses interest, it will be essentially back to the status quo. I mean, were domestic violence groups protesting the NFL at any time during all the domestic abuse cases before this? Not really. You know why? Because the public didn't care. Now that the public has an interest in this story, you're going to have some people seeking the spotlight. Gloria Allred is one of those people.

Ok. Well I guess we've gotten as far as we're going to with this conversation and I have to admit it's starting to yin my Friday yang. We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll just close by maintaining that there's no civil suit going on here and no money is being exchanged. I really do believe that this is an effort to expose something that appears to be a genuine problem with the league.

 

[iueyedoc]

It's basically manufactured outrage. Once the public loses interest, it will be essentially back to the status quo. I mean, were domestic violence groups protesting the NFL at any time during all the domestic abuse cases before this? Not really. You know why? Because the public didn't care. Now that the public has an interest in this story, you're going to have some people seeking the spotlight. Gloria Allred is one of those people.

That should be the bigger take away from this. The lack of concern before it drove ratings is the bigger problem. This will burn out, the next time ISIS cut off a head, or the dow plummets.

 

[Nail Polish]

Ok. Well I guess we've gotten as far as we're going to with this conversation and I have to admit it's starting to yin my Friday yang. We'll have to agree to disagree. I'll just close by maintaining that there's no civil suit going on here and no money is being exchanged. I really do believe that this is an effort to expose something that appears to be a genuine problem with the league.

mick..No one has brought up the fact that Allred might be fronting herself to the NFL for a possible job as some sort of mediator in the spousal abuse cases..She is an atty, and would place her in the spotlight she likes so much..Plus, the NFL is a cash cow

 

[da_bears6]

Allred doesn't need money. She's doing this for publicity. She's basically the Jesse Jackson of women's rights.

 

[ijustposthere]

No, I'm asking where the evidence is that this exposure over the last couple of days is about a money grab, and not about the attempt to expose the league. The fact that she wanted money from Marshall years ago is not what I'm asking, and not what I entered this thread about.




You ask where the outrage was before it became noteworthy. I'm saying that the fact that this whole issue with all these abuse scandals is going down right now is precisely why it's logical to bring this to the forefront now. There's actual momentum towards the goal of really exposing the league's failure to deal properly with abuse. Before last week, there wasn't.

Like I said earlier, if you stop viewing this whole thing through the prism of assuming that it's all an opportunistic effort on the part of the women to gain attention and/or money (for which there's STILL no evidence), and look at it as being about what they're telling us it's about, it makes far more sense.

It seems that nobody can get their head around the possibility that these women are interested in anything other than money and attention.

Here's the thing, you keep lumping this particular case in with every woman just because they are women. Yes, I see the logic for victims to jump on it now. Gloria Allred is not one of those people. She saw the spotlight and is grasping at straws to get her name on TV and the papers. For her, there is no doubt this is an opportunity to gain attention. It seems to be inconceivable to you that some of the stories we'll hear about during this whole thing are going to be bullshit attention/money grabs. Other stories that have come out had evidence against the accuser. This one seems to have more evidence against the proposed victim just straight lying. You can't convict a person of something when the accuser can't get their story straight.

 

[iueyedoc]

Allred doesn't need money. She's doing this for publicity. She's basically the Jesse Jackson of women's rights.

Have you ever met a lawyer that thought they had enough money??