McCown vs. Defenses Faced

[Dejo]

People can't look this up themselves? Cutler has faced the Bengals prior to the Atkins injury. They are rated highly. Minnesota with Harrison Smith and pre-other injuries. Minny had a defense. They faced the Saints, the New York Giants, the Steelers, and the Lions (Terrible Cutler game). Those are some tough defenses that Cutler faced and some bad Jay moments in there too. Saints, he had free blitzes at him. That I remember. Regardless, it is a minor stat in the bigger picture of things, but people just need to take a step back on McCown. He has been incredible, even Warner-esque, but everyone knows who the more talented QB is. I think McCown is more consistent, but even his career suggests that there are some serious limitations there that can be exposed quickly with a good defense. Hell he has had more INTs overturned by penalties in two games than Cutler in his entire career.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Well if you can't remember a game winning drive(which you have to watch the whole game to see) then your'e fucked in the head. When Jay finishes a game ins't that a full game? How many great D's have McCown played against?

It sure seems as if someone is fucked in the head.

Perhaps the person having trouble grasping what exactly is meant by "full game."

 

[Chris Sojka]

Cutler beat the Saints and the Bengals... Both of them are neck and neck at 5 and 6 in ppg defensively this year...

 

[PrimeTime]

This Cutler vs McCown argument is getting real stupid. Bears fans have gone 30 years without a decent QB, now we have 2 and half the fucking board wants to get rid of one. What do you care what it will cost to keep Cutler, it's not your money. Your not in charge of signing players and staying within the salary cap.

 

[supra8795]

It sure seems as if someone is fucked in the head.

Perhaps the person having trouble grasping what exactly is meant by "full game."

A full game is a full game you dumb fuck. lol why do you keep arguing?

Edit: Jay under center the whole game and winning the game because the fucking defense is terrible at the end of the game sounds like he played a full game. Some of you people are fucking stupid.

 

[hyatt151]

Please take a look below at the defenses McCown has faced by TOTAL YARDAGE ALLOWED... in BOLD.

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Scrm Plys Yds/G Yds/P 1st/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd Pct 4th Md 4th Att 4th Pct Pen Pen Yds ToP/G FUM Lost
32 Dallas Cowboys 13 26.8 348 896 426.8 6.2 24.9 72 168 43 9 16 56 91 722 31:04:00 15 12
31 Minnesota Vikings 13 30.4 395 930 401.2 5.6 23.5 82 188 44 10 15 67 79 802 33:38:00 15 7
30 Philadelphia Eagles 13 23.2 301 950 398.1 5.4 23.1 77 193 40 5 15 33 100 815 33:56:00 24 10
29 Jacksonville Jaguars 13 28.6 372 874 383 5.7 21.8 80 184 44 5 7 71 77 648 32:19:00 23 9
28 San Diego Chargers 13 22.4 291 783 382.5 6.3 20.9 58 144 40 4 9 44 81 729 27:38:00 12 5
27 Chicago Bears 13 27.7 360 826 381.5 6 21.5 66 164 40 8 12 67 57 527 30:11:00 22 8
26 Atlanta Falcons 13 27.8 362 825 379.4 6 20.6 80 175 46 7 11 64 84 736 30:29:00 12 5
25 Denver Broncos 13 26.5 345 882 374.2 5.5 21.8 66 177 37 4 14 29 87 705 30:02:00 20 8
24 New England Patriots 13 22.1 287 912 372.3 5.3 21.5 85 194 44 3 13 23 91 793 31:49:00 17 10
23 Indianapolis Colts 13 24.3 316 840 372.1 5.8 20.8 70 173 40 6 12 50 86 761 31:33:00 16 8
22 Washington Redskins 13 31.3 407 811 372 6 21.5 54 156 35 10 14 71 67 562 29:14:00 12 7
21 Green Bay Packers 13 25.1 326 838 369.4 5.7 20.4 69 175 39 8 15 53 80 706 30:36:00 14 9
20 Kansas City Chiefs 13 17.2 224 849 357.8 5.5 18.4 55 180 31 6 15 40 95 709 28:03:00 19 13
19 St. Louis Rams 13 23.7 308 815 357.6 5.7 21 65 159 41 3 9 33 87 810 30:59:00 24 12
18 Oakland Raiders 13 25.9 337 838 356.4 5.5 19.9 72 176 41 1 5 20 70 515 29:39:00 23 10
17 Detroit Lions 13 24.7 321 801 355.2 5.8 18.3 51 169 30 8 11 73 71 566 28:05:00 15 5
16 Miami Dolphins 13 21.2 276 881 348.7 5.1 19.8 69 187 37 7 13 54 85 679 31:27:00 11 6
15 Buffalo Bills 13 25.7 334 897 345.8 5 19.7 77 203 38 4 8 50 92 783 32:56:00 12 5
14 Tennessee Titans 13 24.5 318 845 343.8 5.3 20.8 56 168 33 6 8 75 77 640 30:54:00 21 10
13 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 22.4 291 827 342.1 5.4 20.2 61 162 38 6 10 60 81 771 29:37:00 14 8
12 Pittsburgh Steelers 13 24 312 833 342 5.3 18.7 75 187 40 6 12 50 74 628 28:48:00 17 7
11 New York Jets 13 25.9 337 860 337.5 5.1 18.1 69 195 35 6 14 43 78 712 30:39:00 17 2
10 New York Giants 13 25.7 334 867 337.2 5.1 20.8 77 182 42 3 12 25 87 764 30:42:00 19 9
9 Baltimore Ravens 13 20.1 261 841 332.8 5.1 17.2 63 194 32 8 14 57 101 973 30:09:00 20 8
8 Cincinnati Bengals 13 18.8 244 866 320.5 4.8 18.2 68 191 36 3 10 30 54 571 29:27:00 15 10
7 Cleveland Browns 13 24.9 324 906 320.4 4.6 20.2 83 200 42 4 8 50 80 655 31:01:00 11 6
6 New Orleans Saints 13 18.7 243 783 313.6 5.2 17.6 59 163 36 3 9 33 76 616 27:52:00 15 7
5 Arizona Cardinals 13 19.8 257 852 311.7 4.8 19.1 66 181 36 6 15 40 95 822 29:36:00 15 8
4 San Francisco 49ers 13 16.5 214 829 308 4.8 17.5 63 183 34 6 16 38 84 779 29:50:00 19 10
3 Houston Texans 13 26.9 350 770 302.2 5.1 17 64 177 36 3 6 50 83 630 29:03:00 11 4
2 Carolina Panthers 13 14.5 188 765 296.2 5 16.8 56 163 34 2 9 22 72 637 26:53:00 16 10
1 Seattle Seahawks 13 15.8 205 817 287.1 4.6 18.7 67 176 38 4 11 36 74 708 30:47:00 23 11

The same breakdown by defensive PPG allowed.

Rk Team G Pts/G TotPts Pts Pts/G Rsh Rec PRet KRet INT FUM Blk FG Blk Pnt XPM FGM SFTY 2-PT
32 Washington Redskins 13 31.3 407 407 31.3 19 25 3 1 2 0 0 1 51 16 1 0
31 Minnesota Vikings 13 30.4 395 395 30.4 13 29 1 1 2 1 0 0 45 22 0 1
30 Jacksonville Jaguars 13 28.6 372 372 28.6 16 25 0 0 3 1 0 0 45 19 0 0
29 Atlanta Falcons 13 27.8 362 362 27.8 12 25 0 0 2 0 0 0 38 30 0 0
28 Chicago Bears 13 27.7 360 360 27.7 16 20 0 1 1 3 0 0 40 24 0 1
27 Houston Texans 13 26.9 350 350 26.9 10 23 1 0 5 2 0 0 39 21 0 1
26 Dallas Cowboys 13 26.8 348 348 26.8 14 26 0 0 0 1 0 0 38 20 0 2
25 Denver Broncos 13 26.5 345 345 26.5 14 24 0 1 2 0 0 0 38 19 1 1
24 New York Jets 13 25.9 337 337 25.9 7 24 0 0 4 1 0 0 35 28 0 1
23 Oakland Raiders 13 25.9 337 337 25.9 12 23 1 0 2 0 0 2 38 19 0 1
22 Buffalo Bills 13 25.7 334 334 25.7 8 25 1 0 2 1 0 0 37 25 0 0
21 New York Giants 13 25.7 334 334 25.7 9 20 3 0 3 3 0 0 37 23 0 0
20 Green Bay Packers 13 25.1 326 326 25.1 11 24 0 1 2 1 0 0 36 18 1 0
19 Cleveland Browns 13 24.9 324 324 24.9 10 23 0 0 1 1 0 1 33 23 1 2
18 Detroit Lions 13 24.7 321 321 24.7 9 22 0 0 2 1 0 0 25 28 0 4
17 Tennessee Titans 13 24.5 318 318 24.5 18 12 0 0 0 3 0 0 31 27 3 1
16 Indianapolis Colts 13 24.3 316 316 24.3 13 20 1 0 1 1 0 0 35 21 1 0
15 Pittsburgh Steelers 13 24 312 312 24 14 17 0 0 1 1 0 0 31 27 0 1
14 St. Louis Rams 13 23.7 308 308 23.7 15 19 0 0 4 0 0 0 37 13 1 1
13 Philadelphia Eagles 13 23.2 301 301 23.2 8 20 1 2 1 1 0 1 28 21 0 3
12 San Diego Chargers 13 22.4 291 291 22.4 11 20 0 0 2 1 0 0 33 18 0 0
11 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 22.4 291 291 22.4 6 24 0 0 0 1 0 0 29 24 1 1
10 New England Patriots 13 22.1 287 287 22.1 9 21 0 0 1 2 0 0 32 19 0 0
9 Miami Dolphins 13 21.2 276 276 21.2 11 15 0 0 2 0 0 0 28 26 1 0
8 Baltimore Ravens 13 20.1 261 261 20.1 3 21 0 0 2 0 0 0 24 27 0 0
7 Arizona Cardinals 13 19.8 257 257 19.8 5 22 0 0 1 0 0 0 26 19 1 2
6 Cincinnati Bengals 13 18.8 244 244 18.8 4 19 0 0 2 1 0 0 26 20 1 0
5 New Orleans Saints 13 18.7 243 243 18.7 9 15 0 0 1 1 0 0 25 20 0 1
4 Kansas City Chiefs 13 17.2 224 224 17.2 6 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 24 16 1 0
3 San Francisco 49ers 13 16.5 214 214 16.5 10 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 17 1 1
2 Seattle Seahawks 13 15.8 205 205 15.8 4 14 0 0 0 1 1 0 17 22 0 1
1 Carolina Panthers 13 14.5 188 188 14.5 3 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 24 2 1

Baltimore is the only true defensive team that McCown has faced. St. Louis is also a possible argument. The remaining teams are terrible on defense. Cleveland may provide another challenge altogether. Moral to the story.... consider the competition and stop being bipolar bears fans. It is a what have you done for me lately league, but stop assuming that McCown is a godsend. Cutler is the future for the Bears, unless another draft pick is taken. McCown has been incredible for us, but the nonsense has to stop. Considering the struggles vs. the Rams and Vikings without their starting Safety... things need to be put in their correct perspectives.

Cutler's history. You want a link, I read it in a magazine, you whore, Cutty and the Jets.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

A full game is a full game you dumb fuck. lol why do you keep arguing?

Edit: Jay under center the whole game and winning the game because the fucking defense is terrible at the end of the game sounds like he played a full game. Some of you people are fucking stupid.

Fuck, you are stupid.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

The only stats I care about are the fact that McCown doesnt turn the fucking ball over at a regular pace. Thats what Cutler is and always will be

 

[inchibearfan]

People can't look this up themselves? Cutler has faced the Bengals prior to the Atkins injury. They are rated highly. Minnesota with Harrison Smith and pre-other injuries. Minny had a defense. They faced the Saints, the New York Giants, the Steelers, and the Lions (Terrible Cutler game). Those are some tough defenses that Cutler faced and some bad Jay moments in there too. Saints, he had free blitzes at him. That I remember. Regardless, it is a minor stat in the bigger picture of things, but people just need to take a step back on McCown. He has been incredible, even Warner-esque, but everyone knows who the more talented QB is. I think McCown is more consistent, but even his career suggests that there are some serious limitations there that can be exposed quickly with a good defense. Hell he has had more INTs overturned by penalties in two games than Cutler in his entire career.

I am very happy with McCowns performance and I am very pleased that he is our backup. Cutler is by far the better quarterback, but McCown could start for a lot of teams in this league with the performances that he has had lately. I really hope we are able to keep both of these quarterbacks going forward into next season. If the starting quarterback was missing a lot of games due to injury in the season they wouldn't have a chance at the playoffs, let alone winning many games. What we have right now on offense is what we need to keep intact moving forward. Our focus now needs to shift toward how do we fix the defense?

 

[Calabis]

Well if you can't remember a game winning drive(which you have to watch the whole game to see) then your'e fucked in the head. When Jay finishes a game ins't that a full game? How many great D's have McCown played against?

Are u referring to the Minn game, in which he had numerous turnovers...one int at minn 4 yard line, other around Minn 35 yard line...
Or the fumble they picked up and returned for 6?

Thank god for Jennings pick 6 which helped Cutler be in the position for a game winning drive.

 

[Calabis]

A metric these stats doesn't take into consideration that goes along with this analysis is how did those defenses wind up with these defensive rankings? What offenses did these defenses face to get to that point in the rankings? Did they face really good offenses and perform well against those offenses as a defense? AKA did they hold a really good offense below their season averages or did they beat up on really bad offenses?

These are what FootballOutsiders quantifies with their Value Over Average. They've compiled a point of average for every position and team since 1989 and when an offense or a player excels beyond that point of average it's how they come up with their metric over average.

You've compiled one part of the formula that goes into the metric formula now you have to go the rest of the way....or just go to Football Outsiders and read where they have McCown rated and where his VALUE over the average of every QB performance since 1989 rates.

Great post, also it doesn't show how Cutler faced a Giants team at the time was giving up 30+ points a game. We were the first team to fail to reach that milestone.....according to ops stats provided they would be a better defense then anything McCown has faced lol.

Also they point out the Redskins yet Cutler was struggling to move the ball. He was gifted field position on a Tillman int which resulted in a Forte td run and a good return by Hester. Yet he threw a pick 6 and was struggling to get first downs.

He also has garbage time stats against Saints and Lions...who went into a basic shell defense because of huge leads

 

[Bearshomer]

Cutler beat the Saints and the Bengals... Both of them are neck and neck at 5 and 6 in ppg defensively this year...

Cutler beat the Bengals?

 

[onebud34]

Cutler beat the Bengals?

And the Saints


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[Bearshomer]

And the Saints


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I fucked up my attempt to make him look dumb, and ended up looking dumb.

Nothing too unusual.

 

[TheWinman]

Green Bay without Matthews
Cutler played much healthier and fresh defenses since it was the beginning of the year.
Let's not also forget that the offense in general has had more time to gel when McCown came in and started. Cutler who was already playing good in the offense will only play better than he ever has.