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I don't expect this thread to go very far, but I just read some stuff on my FB page that was interesting and I wondered if anyone wanted to comment on it. As some of you already know, I used to work in the media. It is interesting that I talk of media bias all the time, but some of these comments go to show that the bias is sometimes based simply on the beliefs of those writing or reporting on a particular issue.
Vic Aderhold
Oh boy, I can't wait, another trite documentary that will help bring peace between the races.
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Howard Kelley Too bad you didn't see the original version because it was anything but trite. It's rare these days to see some truly responsible documentary journalism created by intelligence and rendered with sensitrivity.
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Sandra Stengrim Hicks
Well spoken Howard! I used to smile every time I watched you on TV. You were a natural. I knew that you would be successful in life when we first met in the seventh grade. You wrote articles for the Jacksonville newspapers regarding school ...events at Kirby Smith Junior High School. You were always interested in delivering the news. You totally deserved that award for "Literatue and Journalism" when we were graduating seniors at two different schools. I am glad that I was there to see you receive it. You earned everything that you received in life through honesty and hard work. I feel honored to call you my friend.
Vic Aderhold
Well, I figured that statement would get the liberal media types in a dither. I fail to see how a documentary called, “Ax Handle Saturday” can be said to be “rendered with sensitivity”. To me the title indicates people beating the shit out ...of each other with ax handles and there is nothing sensitive about that.
The liberal media loves to bait black people and white people by creating a documentary about a crisis that happened more than 50 years ago because it continues to make people angry, therefore driving ratings up, ergo, increasing revenue. The news media is a profit-making business and will do whatever it needs to do to increase its revenue stream, regardless of the stress and anxiety it may cause in both black and white cultures.
We all know the history of how horribly black folks were treated for more than 300 years but that began to change about 60 years ago. We have made tremendous strides in both races coming to understand each other. Yes, I know there are still pockets of racial hatred on both sides, but it is so much better now than it was in the 1950's and 1960's.
Sadly, it is in the interest of the liberal media, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Al Sharpton, et al, to keep the races at odds with each other because it helps them stay in business.
If the “journalists” truly wanted to a “sensitive” documentary on Ax Handle Saturday, the producers should have found the participants, both black and white, in order to show how much they have grown together over the last 50 years, rather that using the last five minutes of the documentary to show that some of the black people involved in Ax Handle Saturday have become successful.
Maybe I missed it, but nowhere in this documentary did I see any white people expressing regret over this episode, nor did I see any white people working to help black and white people to live and work together in a prosperous atmosphere. This smacks of journalistic malpractice.
And now, let the name calling and finger pointing begin.
Vic Aderhold Well said, Brian, well said. You and I both have worked in media for years and we know what a shit-hole it is.
Saturday at 3:24pm · LikeUnlike
This volley was in response to a local documentary being produced (again) about events in Jacksonville, FL concerning race. Here is another post and volley of comments:
Bill Retherford
I'm in the midst of producing a new, 60-minute TV documentary on a lost story of the civil rights movement, one that happened right here in Jacksonville -- "Ax Handle Saturday." The documentary airs in August 2012 on WJCT.
I'm looking for journalists who may have covered that long-ago event (August 27,1960) to share their memories. I'm also looking for eyewitnesses or participants.
If you remember Ax Handle Saturday, or if you know someone who does, please send me a message on Facebook or my e-mail: BillRVIP@gmail.com.
...
Maybe you saw the original 30-minute doc, which aired most recently last August on WJCT. If not, you can check it out here:
http://www.wjct.tv/video/1817828361/
Watch now: Ax Handle Saturday: 50 Years Later | WJCT Documentaries | WJCT Public Broadcasting Videowww.wjct.tv
Documentary about the Ax Handle Saturday attack in downtown Jacksonville in 1960.
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Charles M. De Lettre Brian, your input is valuable I find.
Saturday at 1:10pm · LikeUnlike
Brian Rowland
I'm just worn out with the left-leaning media. THey've had their way for a long time and bear a tremendous responsibility for the near demise of this country by reshaping the culture, re-writing history (or omission of history), putting th...e screws to religion, teaching our kids to cuss and have sex, and on and on the list goes. The media has no business, after destroying the house, telling me how to clean it up.
Here comes the "downplay" of how important the media really is, how it only "reflects" society and does not shape it. BS
Steve Fouraker Great stuff, Bill!
Saturday at 9:25pm · LikeUnlike
Becky Sipple Gainey It seems to me that those of you who are complaining and maligning the media's efforts would not want to be part of this group. You don't list media on your facebook accounts, so maybe this isn't the group for you. Bill, thanks for reminding people of past events.
Saturday at 9:37pm · LikeUnlike
David P. Reaves III Bill you are to be commended. Many people today do not have any more than a vague idea of what actually was going on in the South at that time. The more points of view you can offer, the better.
Yesterday at 5:14am · LikeUnlike
Sandra Stengrim Hicks
Brian, I could not have said it better than the way that you put it. I too am sick of the past being dredged up to portray events from a totally biased angle. I remember sitting in the back of a bus because there were no more available seat...s. The driver stopped the bus, and he made me stand up. There are two sides to every story. By constantly throwing out stories of violence, we incite a generation that was not yet born. Please let the past rest. Our country has enough problems to fix right now without all of the past being repeatedly thrown out to remind those of us who would like to forget.
Robert Manley
@Bill- I commend you for your efforts, and keeping this conversation alive. It's interesting how some people want to believe everything is just fine now and there is no reason to talk about the past. I really don't think much has changed. ...It's just not as overt as it once was. And there is an entire generation of young people who do need to know that this embarrassing part of our history is very recent.
I also find it interesting that the people who believe "equality" exists in this country are the ones who have had every opportunity in their lives handed to them.
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Becky Sipple Gainey @Robert, you read my mind. Well said.
Yesterday at 11:24am · LikeUnlike
Karen Cohen Morse If we don't continue to remember the atrocities of our past, then they will certainly repeat themselves
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Sandra Stengrim Hicks
Robert, I certainly do not think that everything is just fine now. I serve on several political committees in Murfreesboro, TN where we are working to make our community a better place to live. There is still unrest and violence throughout ...our country from other segments of the population that are being brought in from other countries. I am merely expressing my feelings that it is like pouring fuel on a fire to air events that will do more than educate people regarding the past. It will incite these same people when they see how horribly that they were treated. If you care to see my profile page, it will show that I am not afraid to show my Indian heritage. The Seminole War was really about runaway slaves being taken in by the Indians when they ran away from places like Fernandina where they escaped to the woods. The Seminoles never surrendered to the U.S.A. government. Melungeon is a word that means three races mixed --Causasian, Indian, Negro. The term" black Seminole" is used for Indian and Negro mixture. The Seminole Indians were treated horribly, but they survived by living in the Everglades. I am proud of that part of me even though it happened 8 generations ago when Florida was not even a state. My cousins still live on the same road where I lived as a child. They are intelligent, athletic, and very successful in whatever they set out to do. They have brought themselves out of the lifestyle that was imposed upon them up until quite recently. I grew up around people who taught me to accept a person for what they do in life instead of their race and color. I think that it would be beneficial to check out "The Seminole Tribune" where you will find out how these people have progressed tremendously since those days of being hunted like animals. This is a more positive story that shows how a race can rise above obstacles that were put into their lives. These are the type of shows that I would like to see on television. By the way, I never had things handed to me. I worked as many as three jobs at one time when my house burned and I had 4 children to feed and cloth since their father was a deceased Marine. I managed without taking a government "hand-out". I thank God that Bill Mize hired me to be an account executive at WQIK Radio. I felt as if though I had gone to Heaven. I loved the work, and I no longer had to work 3 jobs. Those were the best days of my life. I want to thank everyone who was involved with WQIK in those days. I am still friends with many of those people. I am actually looking forward to a visit from a friend from Germany in April. I met her while doing a remote broadcast around 1981. Her name is Jutta, and she is the most enthusiastic WQIK fan that I have ever met.See More
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Vic Aderhold
Oh boy, I can't wait, another trite documentary that will help bring peace between the races.
LikeUnlike· ·Follow PostUnfollow Post· February 1 at 10:03pm
Howard Kelley Too bad you didn't see the original version because it was anything but trite. It's rare these days to see some truly responsible documentary journalism created by intelligence and rendered with sensitrivity.
February 1 at 10:41pm · LikeUnlike·
4 Sandra Stengrim Hicks
Well spoken Howard! I used to smile every time I watched you on TV. You were a natural. I knew that you would be successful in life when we first met in the seventh grade. You wrote articles for the Jacksonville newspapers regarding school ...events at Kirby Smith Junior High School. You were always interested in delivering the news. You totally deserved that award for "Literatue and Journalism" when we were graduating seniors at two different schools. I am glad that I was there to see you receive it. You earned everything that you received in life through honesty and hard work. I feel honored to call you my friend.
Vic Aderhold
Well, I figured that statement would get the liberal media types in a dither. I fail to see how a documentary called, “Ax Handle Saturday” can be said to be “rendered with sensitivity”. To me the title indicates people beating the shit out ...of each other with ax handles and there is nothing sensitive about that.
The liberal media loves to bait black people and white people by creating a documentary about a crisis that happened more than 50 years ago because it continues to make people angry, therefore driving ratings up, ergo, increasing revenue. The news media is a profit-making business and will do whatever it needs to do to increase its revenue stream, regardless of the stress and anxiety it may cause in both black and white cultures.
We all know the history of how horribly black folks were treated for more than 300 years but that began to change about 60 years ago. We have made tremendous strides in both races coming to understand each other. Yes, I know there are still pockets of racial hatred on both sides, but it is so much better now than it was in the 1950's and 1960's.
Sadly, it is in the interest of the liberal media, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Al Sharpton, et al, to keep the races at odds with each other because it helps them stay in business.
If the “journalists” truly wanted to a “sensitive” documentary on Ax Handle Saturday, the producers should have found the participants, both black and white, in order to show how much they have grown together over the last 50 years, rather that using the last five minutes of the documentary to show that some of the black people involved in Ax Handle Saturday have become successful.
Maybe I missed it, but nowhere in this documentary did I see any white people expressing regret over this episode, nor did I see any white people working to help black and white people to live and work together in a prosperous atmosphere. This smacks of journalistic malpractice.
And now, let the name calling and finger pointing begin.
Vic Aderhold Well said, Brian, well said. You and I both have worked in media for years and we know what a shit-hole it is.
Saturday at 3:24pm · LikeUnlike
This volley was in response to a local documentary being produced (again) about events in Jacksonville, FL concerning race. Here is another post and volley of comments:
Bill Retherford
I'm in the midst of producing a new, 60-minute TV documentary on a lost story of the civil rights movement, one that happened right here in Jacksonville -- "Ax Handle Saturday." The documentary airs in August 2012 on WJCT.
I'm looking for journalists who may have covered that long-ago event (August 27,1960) to share their memories. I'm also looking for eyewitnesses or participants.
If you remember Ax Handle Saturday, or if you know someone who does, please send me a message on Facebook or my e-mail: BillRVIP@gmail.com.
...
Maybe you saw the original 30-minute doc, which aired most recently last August on WJCT. If not, you can check it out here:
http://www.wjct.tv/video/1817828361/
Watch now: Ax Handle Saturday: 50 Years Later | WJCT Documentaries | WJCT Public Broadcasting Videowww.wjct.tv
Documentary about the Ax Handle Saturday attack in downtown Jacksonville in 1960.
LikeUnlike· ·Follow PostUnfollow Post· Share · February 1 at 9:11pm
3 people like this
Charles M. De Lettre Brian, your input is valuable I find.
Saturday at 1:10pm · LikeUnlike
Brian Rowland
I'm just worn out with the left-leaning media. THey've had their way for a long time and bear a tremendous responsibility for the near demise of this country by reshaping the culture, re-writing history (or omission of history), putting th...e screws to religion, teaching our kids to cuss and have sex, and on and on the list goes. The media has no business, after destroying the house, telling me how to clean it up.
Here comes the "downplay" of how important the media really is, how it only "reflects" society and does not shape it. BS
Steve Fouraker Great stuff, Bill!
Saturday at 9:25pm · LikeUnlike
Becky Sipple Gainey It seems to me that those of you who are complaining and maligning the media's efforts would not want to be part of this group. You don't list media on your facebook accounts, so maybe this isn't the group for you. Bill, thanks for reminding people of past events.
Saturday at 9:37pm · LikeUnlike
David P. Reaves III Bill you are to be commended. Many people today do not have any more than a vague idea of what actually was going on in the South at that time. The more points of view you can offer, the better.
Yesterday at 5:14am · LikeUnlike
Sandra Stengrim Hicks
Brian, I could not have said it better than the way that you put it. I too am sick of the past being dredged up to portray events from a totally biased angle. I remember sitting in the back of a bus because there were no more available seat...s. The driver stopped the bus, and he made me stand up. There are two sides to every story. By constantly throwing out stories of violence, we incite a generation that was not yet born. Please let the past rest. Our country has enough problems to fix right now without all of the past being repeatedly thrown out to remind those of us who would like to forget.
Robert Manley
@Bill- I commend you for your efforts, and keeping this conversation alive. It's interesting how some people want to believe everything is just fine now and there is no reason to talk about the past. I really don't think much has changed. ...It's just not as overt as it once was. And there is an entire generation of young people who do need to know that this embarrassing part of our history is very recent.
I also find it interesting that the people who believe "equality" exists in this country are the ones who have had every opportunity in their lives handed to them.
Becky Sipple Gainey @Robert, you read my mind. Well said.
Yesterday at 11:24am · LikeUnlike
Karen Cohen Morse If we don't continue to remember the atrocities of our past, then they will certainly repeat themselves
19 hours ago · LikeUnlike·
4Sandra Stengrim Hicks
Robert, I certainly do not think that everything is just fine now. I serve on several political committees in Murfreesboro, TN where we are working to make our community a better place to live. There is still unrest and violence throughout ...our country from other segments of the population that are being brought in from other countries. I am merely expressing my feelings that it is like pouring fuel on a fire to air events that will do more than educate people regarding the past. It will incite these same people when they see how horribly that they were treated. If you care to see my profile page, it will show that I am not afraid to show my Indian heritage. The Seminole War was really about runaway slaves being taken in by the Indians when they ran away from places like Fernandina where they escaped to the woods. The Seminoles never surrendered to the U.S.A. government. Melungeon is a word that means three races mixed --Causasian, Indian, Negro. The term" black Seminole" is used for Indian and Negro mixture. The Seminole Indians were treated horribly, but they survived by living in the Everglades. I am proud of that part of me even though it happened 8 generations ago when Florida was not even a state. My cousins still live on the same road where I lived as a child. They are intelligent, athletic, and very successful in whatever they set out to do. They have brought themselves out of the lifestyle that was imposed upon them up until quite recently. I grew up around people who taught me to accept a person for what they do in life instead of their race and color. I think that it would be beneficial to check out "The Seminole Tribune" where you will find out how these people have progressed tremendously since those days of being hunted like animals. This is a more positive story that shows how a race can rise above obstacles that were put into their lives. These are the type of shows that I would like to see on television. By the way, I never had things handed to me. I worked as many as three jobs at one time when my house burned and I had 4 children to feed and cloth since their father was a deceased Marine. I managed without taking a government "hand-out". I thank God that Bill Mize hired me to be an account executive at WQIK Radio. I felt as if though I had gone to Heaven. I loved the work, and I no longer had to work 3 jobs. Those were the best days of my life. I want to thank everyone who was involved with WQIK in those days. I am still friends with many of those people. I am actually looking forward to a visit from a friend from Germany in April. I met her while doing a remote broadcast around 1981. Her name is Jutta, and she is the most enthusiastic WQIK fan that I have ever met.See More
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