Mitch Trubisky: Chicago Bears QB has say in changes to offense

[remydat]

Basically meatball Bears fans think that if Sean McVay was hired because his system fit Goff and then out of nowhere everything Goff did well in college that made him good for McVay's system disappeared that McVay is going to just scrap his entire offensive system and start from scratch.

That is not how these so called offensive geniuses work. They get guys to fit their system. The problem is 4M didnt live up to the hype.

If you want a coach that is going to change his system when a QB doesnt live up to what he is suppose to be good at then you need to hire a Defensive HC who can just hire a new OC or get a Offensive HC with a history of running multiple systems but everyone fucking knew we hired Nagy to run KC's system not a John Fox offense.

 

[SlickWilly]

Remy thinks he's pretty witty calling Mitch 4M. Makes him sound like a bigger idiot than he already is.

 

[Chris Sojka]

While you slob mitches knob way too hard, I agree that remy will never concede. It's a waste of time to get into a discussion with him because he will turn it into a vortex.

Slob his knob?! I think that the guys a fall guy for a bad HC and historically bad organization.

don’t confuse my purely fan style positive posts with slobbing his knob. Be aware the I am first and foremost a Bears fan. If you don’t have a supportive post for your team and QB are they really your team!? Not to me.

I’ve cheered Grossman, Foles, Orton, Clausen, Glennon, and a slew of other hated players by this fan base.

 

[Chris Sojka]

This doesnt address the point. Nagy didnt come here to run the I because 4M's strengths in college were tailor made for this O. He was a guy that allowed his receivers to generate YAC because he hit them in stride. See Ryan Switzer and Austin Proehl's stats with Mitch. At one point Switzer lead college football in YAC. He was also a guy that was more consistent throwing deep in college to Howard and Hollins.

I went to UNC. I go to 2-4 games a year. I watched every single 4M game in 2016. The 4M in the NFL bears no resemblance to the 4M in college.

So again the problem is Nagy expected the things he did well in college to continue in the NFL. UNC was not a rollout and play action team and 4M spent almost all his time in shotgun running a lot of RPO. It came as a surprise that he would fucking suck at the very things that got him drafted ie YAC plays, Shotgun and RPOs.

Fedora's O was much closer to KC's than the I. That is precisely why Pace chose Nagy. He picked a coach whose system was supposed to align with what 4M did best.

Yet you need OTs to run that system.

it either works or it doesn’t. Without the tackles it can never work. Have we ever had good tackles???? Nooooooooo.

stop talking about the system.

If I was a mobile QB in HS doesn’t mean I can run in college. Doesn’t mean that I can run the same system.

how fucking clueless.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

This doesnt address the point. Nagy didnt come here to run the I because 4M's strengths in college were tailor made for this O. He was a guy that allowed his receivers to generate YAC because he hit them in stride. See Ryan Switzer and Austin Proehl's stats with Mitch. At one point Switzer lead college football in YAC. He was also a guy that was more consistent throwing deep in college to Howard and Hollins.

I went to UNC. I go to 2-4 games a year. I watched every single 4M game in 2016. The 4M in the NFL bears no resemblance to the 4M in college.

So again the problem is Nagy expected the things he did well in college to continue in the NFL. UNC was not a rollout and play action team and 4M spent almost all his time in shotgun running a lot of RPO. It came as a surprise that he would fucking suck at the very things that got him drafted ie YAC plays, Shotgun and RPOs.

Fedora's O was much closer to KC's than the I. That is precisely why Pace chose Nagy. He picked a coach whose system was supposed to align with what 4M did best.

I understand and I agree, but my point was that Nagy is simply someone that fails to adjust to his team's strengths, as I pointed out with his failure to to run what works in the run, and now with his failure to run what works with 4M.

 

[remydat]

Yet you need OTs to run that system.

it either works or it doesn’t. Without the tackles it can never work. Have we ever had good tackles???? Nooooooooo.

stop talking about the system.

If I was a mobile QB in HS doesn’t mean I can run in college. Doesn’t mean that I can run the same system.

how fucking clueless.

Once again, when given time 4M has sucked. You keep ignoring this fact.

 

[remydat]

I understand and I agree, but my point was that Nagy is simply someone that fails to adjust to his team's strengths, as I pointed out with his failure to to run what works in the run, and now with his failure to run what works with 4M.

And I am saying most coaches are not going to scrap their entire offense to create a new one for a single player.

I suspect the only reason Nagy could do it this year is because of Lazor meaning this isnt Nagy changing his system for 4M. This is Nagy letting 4M run Lazor's system.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

And I am saying most coaches are not going to scrap their entire offense to create a new one for a single player.

I suspect the only reason Nagy could do it this year is because of Lazor meaning this isnt Nagy changing his system for 4M. This is Nagy letting 4M run Lazor's system.

I mean it wouldn't have just been for him, would've been for the running game too.

 

[remydat]

I mean it wouldn't have just been for him, would've been for the running game too.

Do you think if Goff sucked in McVay's offense that he could just throw out the only offense he has known and then adopt Nagy's offense in the span of a couple of weeks?

Again guys like Nagy and McVay are not trained up in a bunch of different offenses. They are specialists in one specific offensive system. Kind of the problem in hiring young hot shots that came up under just one system.

I have been a Nagy hater longer than most here going back to the 12-4 season. He should be fired for a myriad of reasons but acting like a guy can just change his whole system on the fly is just odd. Nagy sucking doesnt excuse the fact 4M is a massive liability. He sucks for reasons why I wanted Watson despite being a UNC alum and sports fan. His college resume was too thin to count on his supposed strengths to translate to the NFL and in the end they didnt.

An inexperienced HC who only knows one primary offensive system paired with an inexperienced QB with 13 college starts was only going to work if the QB was a fit for that offense as anticipated.

 

[Enasic]

Lol mcvay is light years more intelligent, adaptable, effective, and well versed offensively than Nagy is.

 

[iueyedoc]

The best thing Trubisky learned from Foles while he was benched was that Nagy is pretty much ignorably stupid.

 

[remydat]

Lol mcvay is light years more intelligent, adaptable, effective, and well versed offensively than Nagy is.

Intelligent and effective sure. Adaptable and well versed not so much. They lost the SB in large part because he had no answer when Bellichek used defensive concepts the Lions and Bears used against McVay earlier in the season. Hell people predicted he would use those concepts especially simce Patricia was his former DC and yet McVay still was prepared for it and couldnt adapt despite seeing it twice beforw.

His offense is a one trick pony. A very well designed and effective one trick but let's not pretend he is known for running anything other than that outside zone scheme.

 

[TezMaKai]

Like clockwork. We've seen this story before

About 1/3 of his games as a pro have been elite level play, which is impressive in and of itself in an offense that doesn't block in a Nagy offense that is just now learning to adapt to his strengths. Nagy's offense is inconsistent so the young QB is inconsistent but still, he makes the garbage offense work better than any other option, including "BDN"

Imagine being a 1 year starter in college and then being over drafted by a GM that "could have taken Watson" No one knew how good Mahomes would be. 8 other teams passed on him.

Mitch has a better career winning percentage than the quarterback we "should have taken" (that is currently being utilized to his strengths consistently in Houston) and just beat him head to head.

 

[TezMaKai]

@iueyedoc handle these mfs i cant even with them rn

Smart Bears fans understand that Nagy and the Chicago Bears organization is the problem.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Don't think any rational people are sold on Trubisky. Not all you mentioned are rational.

What I am saying is, if he plays close to lights out like he did the last 2 games with , say, 70% completions and 7-8 TD's and 0-2 INTs the last 3 games, and with the knowledge that he was begging for this mobile pocket offense all year and Nagy admitting he didn't know how to and/or was afraid to call it, don't you have to keep him and get 1 more look?

Of course 3 more games like the last 2 would be an unprecedented stretch for Trubisky, but you would have to be a fool to dump him just as he would then appear to be blossoming.

That would be like dumping Margot Robbie just as she went from this to this:
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I am just going by what Nagy said. He, himself said he wasn't calling this offense because he had no experience in it. If he took 2 1/2 years to figure out how to use a mobile QB, he should never be an NFL HC. If he knew how to but refused to because he wanted to run Nagy ball, he should never be an NFL HC. So you see where I am heading with this?

no you don’t. because he has yet to play anything resembling a competent defense all season. beating up on terrible defenses does nothing for me.

 

[ImSure]

i think i joined this board at the wrong time. people are way more emotional that even i imagined.

 

[Hbkrusso]

i think i joined this board at the wrong time. people are way more emotional that even i imagined.

Lol just wait if they squeak into the playoffs and nobody gets fired it will be fucking nuclear

 

[sevvy]

Lol just wait if they squeak into the playoffs and nobody gets fired it will be fucking nuclear

 

[Chris Sojka]

Once again, when given time 4M has sucked. You keep ignoring this fact.

Remy you ignore all the facts. I’ve laid them out the facts and predicted almost everything correctly this season.

Not only is Nagy the problem but every player seems to understand that. Which means Nick Foles too. Who was hand picked by the guy and then benched himself because he couldn’t be protected behind the awful line and Nagys shit play calls.

The only thing you focus on is how bad Mitch played in a situation it was almost impossible to play in with a clear mind. QBs miss when defenses apply constant pressure and Mitch was simply under pressure every play. Just because he gets a clean pocket and misses doesn’t make him a bad QB. It means he’s playing like the pressure is there even when it’s not.



that is what ruining a good QB is!

 

[Chris Sojka]

@remydat


Was the running game good? No
Was the playcalling good? No
Did he have a clean pocket? No
Do they play to his strengths? No
Do they play to anyone’s strengths? No
Does any other QB look good? No

Conclusion....... it’s Mitch