Myles Garrett requests trade

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He says he wants to go to a contender. Does he have a veto on the trade? If so, no way he would be ok with the Bears.
 

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I understand that.

No player says "I want to go to a team that was 5-12 last year." We all know that. They want to go to the Chiefs.

But when they say "I want to go to a winner", they don't take into account salary cap status of those "winners", whether the winner already is set at DE, etc. While Garrett would be an upgrade over most anyone, a team with good DEs is not trading for him.

How do you determine which teams are winners when there is turnover in the playoffs every year. KC and Philly can't fit his salary. Detroit, Minnesota? They're in good shape at DE. Tampa? Get serious.

I'm sure Jayden Daniels wanted to go to a winner, too. But here we are.
Lions are good at one DE spot, so not set really
 

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I think the GM was excessive when he thought it would take a first, two third and a player.

He's paid what you can buy the best DE in Free Agency for. He's 30.

We should dangle Taylor/Walker and a second.
probably 20 teams that would be willing to top such a BS offer
 

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Saw an article that tossed out this trade. I don't like it:

Chicago Bears trade: 2025 First-Round pick (No. 10 overall), 2025 Second-Round Pick (No. 41 overall), 2025 Fifth-Round Pick, CB Kyler Gordon
I would need three Garretts for that price.
 

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probably 20 teams that would be willing to top such a BS offer

I don't think so, there aren't 20 teams that can afford him AND are in a chip window.

He legitimizes an already good defense, we fix our o-line and this team is almost ready to rock.
 

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Lions have been pretty successful drafting their core players and not being overzealous in trades and free agency and it’s worked out for them

Got to hit on draft picks to get this team on track. Stop squandering picks on losers like claypool and veelus got to get some Ws. With the 10th if they want de there will be plenty available that will complement sweat. Trading for garet is short term plus another 100 mil contract plus costing multiple picks. Need to get real here
You’re talking the Ryan poles special!
 

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I don't think so, there aren't 20 teams that can afford him AND are in a chip window.

He legitimizes an already good defense, we fix our o-line and this team is almost ready to rock.
Poles has failed to do that for 3 years, so now you expect him to do it in one
 

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Poles has failed to do that for 3 years, so now you expect him to do it in one

I just don't disparage his effort to build one this year as much as others.

I don't love how it was built, I would have taken Carter over Wright, I would have kept Daniels who was still young and can run zone at center or guard.

But
Jones-Jenkins-Bates-Davis-Wright

Is a better EFFORT than most GMs have given us. That line should be ok, could have been good and run the ball much better than we did this year.

It never materialized in the slightest. Davis is the highest paid most experienced and gave us the least. Jones always gets better and he improved his push and anchor strength this year but didn't stay healthy.

Bates I expected to win center given his competition by August 1st and he was non-existent most of the year.

Wright is a project.

Jenkins has never been happy here and has health imbalances. I bet he becomes a Texan or a Cowboy and goes to pro-bowls.

Blow it up and try again is all you can do, I'm just saying it isn't all Poles fault that it went completely sideways.

Combine all those failures with a rookie QB that holds on way too long and a desperate coaching staff scared to preach self preservation.

Da Bears.
 

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I don't think so, there aren't 20 teams that can afford him AND are in a chip window.

He legitimizes an already good defense, we fix our o-line and this team is almost ready to rock.

Pretty much any team can afford him

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Unless I'm confusing trade rules, the Browns would take on all the guaranteed money, which means he only has ~1.3m in salary for whatever team trades for him the next 2 years.

Why I expect his draft capital to be much higher than some people expect, because his contract would be a steal.

Also why I expect he'd also want an extension in place
 

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Pretty much any team can afford him

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Unless I'm confusing trade rules, the Browns would take on all the guaranteed money, which means he only has ~1.3m in salary for whatever team trades for him the next 2 years.

Why I expect his draft capital to be much higher than some people expect, because his contract would be a steal.

Also why I expect he'd also want an extension in place

Well holy shit. Ok then. Good job and I get you.

The way that looks a sign and trade may be necessary for all parties to move forward though.
 

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Pretty much any team can afford him

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Unless I'm confusing trade rules, the Browns would take on all the guaranteed money, which means he only has ~1.3m in salary for whatever team trades for him the next 2 years.

Why I expect his draft capital to be much higher than some people expect, because his contract would be a steal.

Also why I expect he'd also want an extension in place
Turns out the 1.3m number is wrong. I initially thought the same as you said here. However OTC incorrectly listed his current option bonus money which would go to his new team as signing bonus which stays with Cleveland. See posts #15 - #18 in this thread. So the new team would be paying ~20m per both years.
 

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Pretty much any team can afford him

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Unless I'm confusing trade rules, the Browns would take on all the guaranteed money, which means he only has ~1.3m in salary for whatever team trades for him the next 2 years.

Why I expect his draft capital to be much higher than some people expect, because his contract would be a steal.

Also why I expect he'd also want an extension in place

This article breaks it down on what the acquiring team could do.
 

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The strength of this draft is at DT not end. The Bears have plenty of money to spend, I'd rather see them blow it on arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL over a really good right guard.
No the strength is at DE in the 1st.
Carter, Williams, Walker, Pierce, Green, Scourton, Stewart, Princely… DT is very strong too but after Graham in the top 10… most of the other DT’s are late 1sts to early 2nds. A quick google search shows the consensus of DE being the strongest position search on the defensive side of the ball.
 

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This article breaks it down on what the acquiring team could do.

That makes more sense


No the strength is at DE in the 1st.
Carter, Williams, Walker, Pierce, Green, Scourton, Stewart, Princely… DT is very strong too but after Graham in the top 10… most of the other DT’s are late 1sts to early 2nds. A quick google search shows the consensus of DE being the strongest position search on the defensive side of the ball.

Not sure walkers really an edge at the next level, but boy is he good. Jack of all trades. When i went to watch banks tape I kept seeing a guy flashing in pass coverage/tackling and pass rush and dove deeper into him.

If we needed a linebacker I'd love him there. THATS an off ball lineabcker you take in the teens for all the stupid lions fans
 

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That makes more sense




Not sure walkers really an edge at the next level, but boy is he good. Jack of all trades. When i went to watch banks tape I kept seeing a guy flashing in pass coverage/tackling and pass rush and dove deeper into him.

If we needed a linebacker I'd love him there. THATS an off ball lineabcker you take in the teens for all the stupid lions fans
Walker is more of a rush OLB, his pass rushing skills really developed this last year. I don’t think the Bears would be a good fit but can be a really good pas rusher in the NFL. He’ll just never be a 4-3 DE
 

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If a team is a pass rusher away from the SB, then you think about giving up multiple first rounders. But the Bears are NOT one player away. They should keep building through the draft, be patient, stay focused, and be smart. Right now the Bears have some very talented guys, don't get crazy and **** this up. Be smart with the picks and the cap and this could be the start of a VERY long run of playoff success. AFTER you accomplish that, a drastic move can be justified for a Championship run. The Bears are not there right now, but if they stay on track, they will be soon.
 

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Only way i'm doing it is if Montez Sweat is the main part of the package they get from us.

The Browns aren't taking on any salary in a trade.
The Bears also aren't taking on another 25mil+ edge salary once Garrett is extended.
The only feasible way for this to work is for Poles to find a 3rd team to trade for Sweat.
I'm not sure what draft compensation they could net for Montez, late 2nd rounder?
There is all this worry about Garrett being 29 this year and getting old.
I wouldn't worry about that as he has been extremely durable over his career.
The Bears signed Peppers when he was 30 who was also very durable before coming here and he put up 90 sacks since he was 29.
They would also have the upper hand in any trade as they could offer the 10th pick.
Do I expect this to happen, no fricking way but it isn't an instant no if executed properly.
 

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The Browns aren't taking on any salary in a trade.
The Bears also aren't taking on another 25mil+ edge salary once Garrett is extended.
The only feasible way for this to work is for Poles to find a 3rd team to trade for Sweat.
I'm not sure what draft compensation they could net for Montez, late 2nd rounder?
There is all this worry about Garrett being 29 this year and getting old.
I wouldn't worry about that as he has been extremely durable over his career.
The Bears signed Peppers when he was 30 who was also very durable before coming here and he put up 90 sacks since he was 29.
They would also have the upper hand in any trade as they could offer the 10th pick.
Do I expect this to happen, no fricking way but it isn't an instant no if executed properly.
Sweat has a $33 million dead cap hit.
 

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