NBA All-Star Reserves

[MikeMeraz]

Okay, they announce them on Thursday but I'm watching NBA Fastbreak, NBA tv, NBA on TNT, everyone's list of reserves and only one list had D-Rose! And I think it was Kenny Smith's list, but than he changed his mind and selected Joe Johnson. Are we in bizarro world?
Here some of the guys on these people's list:

-Pierce: 18.9 ppg, 3apg, 4rpg (Rose is averging more points, more assists and putting on way more highlights)

-Al Horford: 13ppg, 9rpg. (Noah deserves to make the team more than Horford does)

Stehphan Jackson? Shaquille O'neal? But Not D-Rose!? Watsup with these analysts nowadays?

 

[Shakes]

The Bulls are a game under .500. The Celtics and Hawks have won about twice as many as they've lost. For whatever reason players on good teams always get the all-star attention, even if they're not playing that well.

 

[cool007]

Don't give me this that their teams won more games so they deserve it crap.

It's not like those teams don't have stars and not making the all-star team. I am more into whoever is their best player on the team and having an all-star season SHOULD make it.

Meaning:

Boston: Since KG made it as a starter, and Rondo is almost a lock, then Pierce should not be a lock to make it. He is having his worse career numbers (overall) and Boston is having worse season than last couple of years.

Orlando: Only 1 star player on the team - Yet I have seen some analysts have Nelson/Carter ahead of Rose. WTF.

Cleveland: Only 1 star player - LeBron and he is like having 2 or 3 star player in 1 combined. They just missed Mo Williams and West but they still keep winning. Why? Tells me how good LeBron actually is.

Atlanta: Joe Johnson is their best player and he will be selected but neither Horford nor Smith should be selected over Lee/Noah and Rose. Horford is not having a better season than either Lee or Noah and Smith's numbers are pretty much same as previous years (except he doesn't shoot 3s anymore) - that does NOT scream all-star and even with Injuries, Rose is still having a better season than him.

None of the other teams (Miami/Toronto) have any other star player or having all-star type season so no point in explaining.

Thus, Rose SHOULD make it. If we just want to go with winning arguement, then let's just have 12 all-stars from the top 4 teams in each conference and just let everyone know.

All-star should mean to reward the players that are having one of their better season (all-star season) and have great impact on the game as the team's main guy to carry the team to victories. Not to mention Consistency. When Smith doesn't have good games, he has Joe Johnson (another star) plus Crawford at times as well as Horford picking it up. But with Rose, if he doesn't score 20 or more, Bulls just simply don't have a chance as you can't depend on any other player to carry the offense and win you games.

If it really came down to Rose vs Smith, I see no reason why Rose is not selected.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Also Rose won a eastern conference of the month award. He should be selected, no doubt.

But I think he will not be selected because he is already in the skills challenge and in the rookie vs. sophomore game.

 

[TheStig]

I think Rose makes it. There aren't very many good pgs in the east. Rose has been amazing this past month and really deserves the spot.

 

[jsain360]

I think Rose goes,
here are me East reserves
PF:Lee
SF:Gerald Wallace
C: Bosh
SG: Joe Johnson
PG: Rondo
Wild card 1: Rose
Wild Card 2: Pierce/Noah/Josh Smith

West
PF: Dirk
SF: Durant
C: Kaman
SG: Roy
PG: Paul
Wild Card 1: D-Will
Wild Card 2: Boozer

My prediction, Iverson will tweak something that won't allow him to play in the All-Star game

 

[houheffna]

I thought Dirk was starting?

 

[RC_Skinny22]

No, Bryant, Anthony, Stoudemire, Nash and Duncan are starting.

 

[houheffna]

Oh...okay.

 

[??? ??????]

Rose is averaging less than 20 points a game on a bad efficiency on a losing team. It shouldn't be that surprising if he doesn't make it, both Ben Gordon and Luol Deng were left out of the Allstar Game in 06-07, as part of a winning team, and both were having better seasons than Rose has had.

Rose has played great as of late, but he played poorly for a good portion of the season, which has played a role in the Bulls' sub-500 record and Rose's poor efficiency stats, and sub-20 PPG.

I believe it goes:

Starters:

G-Allen Iverson
G-Dwyane Wade
F-Lebron James
F-Kevin Garnett
C-Dwight Howard

For Reserves, I would have to go with:

-Rajon Rondo (14.2 PPG 9.7 APG 4.2 RPG 2.5 SPG)
-Chris Bosh (23.9 PPG 11.1 RPG 1.4 BPG)
-Joe Johnson (21.1 PPG 4.9 APG 4.8 RPG)
-Gerald Wallace (18.6 PPG 11.0 RPG 1.6 SPG 1.2 BPG)
-David Lee (19.4 PPG 11.4 RPG)

Eh...hold up, scratch that....only was able to come up with 5 reserves that are easily going to be in over Derrick Rose. Then I think Rose would probably be next, so I think he gets in. I would say that either Derrick Rose or Joakim Noah (only one of the two) will be the sixth reserve, and Jamal Crawford or Al Horford the 7th.

 

[cool007]

Bullseye wrote:

Also Rose won a eastern conference of the month award. He should be selected, no doubt.

But I think he will not be selected because he is already in the skills challenge and in the rookie vs. sophomore game.

What does that have to do with anything??? Didn't they select D-Wade for all those 3 events as well???

I really hope Rose makes it. It will be so much fun to watch the all-star weekend with Rose being in 3 of those events.

We have waited what 12 years to have an all-star and Rose definitely is the first one that really deserves the most of those players we had (Brand/Gordon/Deng).

 

[cool007]

??? ?????? wrote:

Rose is averaging less than 20 points a game on a bad efficiency on a losing team. It shouldn't be that surprising if he doesn't make it, both Ben Gordon and Luol Deng were left out of the Allstar Game in 06-07, as part of a winning team, and both were having better seasons than Rose has had.

Rose has played great as of late, but he played poorly for a good portion of the season, which has played a role in the Bulls' sub-500 record and Rose's poor efficiency stats, and sub-20 PPG.

I believe it goes:

Starters:

G-Allen Iverson
G-Dwyane Wade
F-Lebron James
F-Kevin Garnett
C-Dwight Howard

For Reserves, I would have to go with:

-Rajon Rondo (14.2 PPG 9.7 APG 4.2 RPG 2.5 SPG)
-Chris Bosh (23.9 PPG 11.1 RPG 1.4 BPG)
-Joe Johnson (21.1 PPG 4.9 APG 4.8 RPG)
-Gerald Wallace (18.6 PPG 11.0 RPG 1.6 SPG 1.2 BPG)
-David Lee (19.4 PPG 11.4 RPG)

Eh...hold up, scratch that....only was able to come up with 5 reserves that are easily going to be in over Derrick Rose. Then I think Rose would probably be next, so I think he gets in. I would say that either Derrick Rose or Joakim Noah (only one of the two) will be the sixth reserve, and Jamal Crawford or Al Horford the 7th.

Huh???

Jamal Crawford??? Ewww. You totally forgot Pierce.

Also, coaches don't look at Efficiency and PER - those are for nerds and fans. Coaches look at it different way and that is why their selections are usually different from fans and media/analysts.

The way Rose has been trending up and the way bulls are winning (13-7 in last 20 games), Coaches probably really looked at very hard at Rose. They really like someone taking over the team on his back and winning games. Since Bulls have won 3-in a row on some tough road teams (western conference and above 50% teams) and Rose was spectacular, that probably sold coaches on that.

Here is how I see it.

Guards: Joe Johnson, Rose
Forwards: Bosh, Pierce
Center: Lee

Wild cards: Rondo, Wallace.

The reason they might pick Rose over rondo as clear cut is coz Rose is the first option on a playoff team and is carrying the team during tough stretch, while Rondo is a 3rd/4th option - although they will still select him to the all-star game coz he does deserve it.

I hope I am right.

 

[Shakes]

cool007 wrote:

Don't give me this that their teams won more games so they deserve it crap.

It might not be fair, but that's the criteria used. :S

 

[cool007]

Shakes wrote:

cool007 wrote:

Don't give me this that their teams won more games so they deserve it crap.

It might not be fair, but that's the criteria used. :S

Not always.

Also, it's not like we have a big time losing record or anything, we are only 1 game below 50% and we are in the playoffs - only 1.5 game behind for the 5th seed.

 

[jsain360]

cool007 wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

Rose is averaging less than 20 points a game on a bad efficiency on a losing team. It shouldn't be that surprising if he doesn't make it, both Ben Gordon and Luol Deng were left out of the Allstar Game in 06-07, as part of a winning team, and both were having better seasons than Rose has had.

Rose has played great as of late, but he played poorly for a good portion of the season, which has played a role in the Bulls' sub-500 record and Rose's poor efficiency stats, and sub-20 PPG.

I believe it goes:

Starters:

G-Allen Iverson
G-Dwyane Wade
F-Lebron James
F-Kevin Garnett
C-Dwight Howard

For Reserves, I would have to go with:

-Rajon Rondo (14.2 PPG 9.7 APG 4.2 RPG 2.5 SPG)
-Chris Bosh (23.9 PPG 11.1 RPG 1.4 BPG)
-Joe Johnson (21.1 PPG 4.9 APG 4.8 RPG)
-Gerald Wallace (18.6 PPG 11.0 RPG 1.6 SPG 1.2 BPG)
-David Lee (19.4 PPG 11.4 RPG)

Eh...hold up, scratch that....only was able to come up with 5 reserves that are easily going to be in over Derrick Rose. Then I think Rose would probably be next, so I think he gets in. I would say that either Derrick Rose or Joakim Noah (only one of the two) will be the sixth reserve, and Jamal Crawford or Al Horford the 7th.

Huh???

Jamal Crawford??? Ewww. You totally forgot Pierce.

Also, coaches don't look at Efficiency and PER - those are for nerds and fans. Coaches look at it different way and that is why their selections are usually different from fans and media/analysts.

The way Rose has been trending up and the way bulls are winning (13-7 in last 20 games), Coaches probably really looked at very hard at Rose. They really like someone taking over the team on his back and winning games. Since Bulls have won 3-in a row on some tough road teams (western conference and above 50% teams) and Rose was spectacular, that probably sold coaches on that.

Here is how I see it.

Guards: Joe Johnson, Rose
Forwards: Bosh, Pierce
Center: Lee

Wild cards: Rondo, Wallace.

The reason they might pick Rose over rondo as clear cut is coz Rose is the first option on a playoff team and is carrying the team during tough stretch, while Rondo is a 3rd/4th option - although they will still select him to the all-star game coz he does deserve it.

I hope I am right.

Thank you, advanced stats are good but, they are way over valued in making decisions about a player

 

[TheStig]

??? ?????? wrote:

Rose is averaging less than 20 points a game on a bad efficiency on a losing team. It shouldn't be that surprising if he doesn't make it, both Ben Gordon and Luol Deng were left out of the Allstar Game in 06-07, as part of a winning team, and both were having better seasons than Rose has had.

Rose has played great as of late, but he played poorly for a good portion of the season, which has played a role in the Bulls' sub-500 record and Rose's poor efficiency stats, and sub-20 PPG.

I believe it goes:

Starters:

G-Allen Iverson
G-Dwyane Wade
F-Lebron James
F-Kevin Garnett
C-Dwight Howard

For Reserves, I would have to go with:

-Rajon Rondo (14.2 PPG 9.7 APG 4.2 RPG 2.5 SPG)
-Chris Bosh (23.9 PPG 11.1 RPG 1.4 BPG)
-Joe Johnson (21.1 PPG 4.9 APG 4.8 RPG)
-Gerald Wallace (18.6 PPG 11.0 RPG 1.6 SPG 1.2 BPG)
-David Lee (19.4 PPG 11.4 RPG)

Eh...hold up, scratch that....only was able to come up with 5 reserves that are easily going to be in over Derrick Rose. Then I think Rose would probably be next, so I think he gets in. I would say that either Derrick Rose or Joakim Noah (only one of the two) will be the sixth reserve, and Jamal Crawford or Al Horford the 7th.

Rose is shooting 47.4% just because he doesn't shoot 3's or get to the line that much doesn't make him an inefficient pg, in fact he is top 10 among pgs. So inefficient isn't a reasonable argument. Furthermore, saying a team that is one game under .500 isn't a winning team is a bit nit picking, they are still a playoff team. Lastly, they don't just look at this season, they will look back to last year too, where Rose was a top 2 player on his playoff team, had an amazing game 1 and won roy. Rose will be an allstar.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Why is everyone ignoring Andre Iguodala? He is so a good allround guy:

17.6 PPG
5,7 APG
6.9 RPG
1.9 SPG

He deserves it!

 

[Diddy1122]

East Starters:

G Iverson
G Wade
F James
F Garnett
C Howard

Reserves: F/C Bosh, G/F Johnson, F Wallace, G Rondo, F/C Lee, G Rose, & G Crawford
Wild Cards: Pierce, Jackson, Noah, Shaq (hey AI is an undeserved starter, why not Shaq as a reserve?)

Personally I think both Noah & Rose deserve it, Noah more so than Rose because he's been performing at this level since Day 1 of preseason, & is still consistent despite shoulder & foot injuries. But there's no way that a sub .500 team will have 2 All-Stars ever. Based on Rose's performance the last 2 months & this month especially, I don't see how East coaches could not vote this kid in. Everyone across the league knows that the Bulls will only go as far as Rose takes them & so far he's led them to a 13-7 record over the last 20 games, beating teams like Phoenix, Houston, Atlanta, Boston, & San Antonio. If Rose does not make it, then Noah should. And if neither is on the team, I will not be watching the game.

West Starters:

G Nash
G Bryant
F Anthony
F Stoudamire
C Duncan

Reserves: F Dirk, F Durant, G Paul, G Roy, F/C Randolph, G D-Will, G Billups
Wild Cards: F/C Pau Gasol, C Kaman, G Ellis

As much as I'm not a fan of Zach Randolph & have never been, his play with the Grizzlies this season is the biggest reason they are in the playoff hunt for the first time in 4 seasons. Leaving him off the All-Star team this year would be a huge mistake, especially if Kaman or Gasol are one of the names that replaces him.

 

[TheStig]

Bullseye wrote:

Why is everyone ignoring Andre Iguodala? He is so a good allround guy:

17.6 PPG
5,7 APG
6.9 RPG
1.9 SPG

He deserves it!

Good point, he does deserve a look but the east is full of sfs. He won't make it.

 

[MikeMeraz]

If Rose does make the team, it could be a pretty busy Weekened for Rose.

The Rookie/Sophmore game, Skills Challenge and the All-Star game?

Bottom Line, He Should Definitely make the Allstar team.