NBA Double Standard?

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Greetings everyone. If anything I write has already been discussed please forgive me. I'm living the life...seeing this world and am trying to catch up on all the discussions.

First off I want to apologize to Mike (newschoolbulls). I over-reacted to you on that last post a couple weeks ago and in retrospect there was no reason for me to act like that so I'm sorry about that bro. You had a right to say some of that because I rubbed my twist of fortune in everyone's face and so I understand how someone would respond that way.

Onto the post...and i go into this with some degree of hesitation seeing it is race-related.

From what I saw Peyton Manning didn't shake a single hand after losing the game. He appeared to blow past everyone on his way out.

When LeBron James did the exact same thing in last year's Eastern Conference Finals he was immediately and justifiably ripped on every media outlet from Chicago to Timbuktu. When Isiah Thomas and the Pistons lost to us and they weren't shaking hands they haven't stopped being ripped since.

Yet when Peyton Manning did the exact same thing (in fairness only to LeBron and not to Isiah which was different), I have yet to hear a single word about it from anyone.

Is football all that much different or is this yet another case of racial double standard?

Why is the black star always ripped immediately yet the great white hope is excused, justified and gets a pass for the same behavior?

Why is ESPN quiet about the Ben Roethlisberger rape accusation "until the facts come out" but broadcast Michael Irvin's accusation the very second it hits the news?

Why do people boycot the NBA when the Indiana Pacers fight fans but cheer when half a hockey team enters the stands and one hits a fan in the face with a stick?

Why do I hear so many people say they don't care for the NBA because "they're just a bunch of thugs and repribates" yet are avid fans of the NHL and NFL which has just as much thuggish and criminal behavior, if not more than the NBA?

Is it because most of the NBA is made up of young, black men covered with tattoos?

If the NBA were made up of primarily white, cleanly-groomed guys do you think the NBA would be just as accepted or more accepted than it is now?

I just see so many unfair racial standards and think it's unfortunate.

Your thoughts.

 

[houheffna]

Yes these are double standards...things like calling Kobe Bryant a rapist? That feeds the double standard...and people find that funny or cool...I don't...I find it sad...as you pointed out...people like Big Ben are not called a rapist, and rightfully so...

Some of what I have heard in recent years is scary...Stern is trying to unilaterally legislate laws against a culture that he finds dangerous...and yes, in some ways that culture can lend itself to dangerous behavior...but I think there are positives to the hiphop culture that are overlooked, to feed stereotypes.

Also, there is nothing wrong with being happy about traveling the world...why are you apologizing for that?

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Thanks for that input Hou.

I was apologizing for the tone I had and for rubbing it in everyone's faces who don't get to go (laughing at you all and calling you suckers). That wasn't real nice. lol

You make a good point in the dress too. Something not right about an old white man telling mostly young black men to dress like him. Imagine if Allen iverson made Stern dress like him. It's just as ridiculous.

houheffna wrote:

Yes these are double standards...things like calling Kobe Bryant a rapist? That feeds the double standard...and people find that funny or cool...I don't...I find it sad...as you pointed out...people like Big Ben are not called a rapist, and rightfully so...

Some of what I have heard in recent years is scary...Stern is trying to unilaterally legislate laws against a culture that he finds dangerous...and yes, in some ways that culture can lend itself to dangerous behavior...but I think there are positives to the hiphop culture that are overlooked, to feed stereotypes.

Also, there is nothing wrong with being happy about traveling the world...why are you apologizing for that?

 

[Diddy1122]

This entire country has been built on double standards since the constitution was drafted over 220 years ago. So this really wasn't anything new.

What I found funny about the whole Peyton Manning thing is on NFL Live, Herm Edwards said Peyton was right in his decision to not shake hands with Brees because it was the Saints moment & since he won already he realized that. What an absolute load of BS! Granted Lebron's antics were worse because he refused to meet with the media afterwards, but Peyton is a sore loser, plain & simple. He needs to be called out on it.

As for Stern, while I'm not the biggest fan of his, I don't think having players wear business casual to their job, & yes it is their job, is such a horrible thing to implement. If I showed up at work with just a t-shirt, ripped jeans, & gym shoes I'd be sent home immediately. Stern views this as a business, which it is, & that type of dress & type of antics just don't fly in the business world.

And Frank there's no need to apologize. We all get your sense of humor & know you were joking. Newskool was just projecting his own jealousies & insecurities onto you. I think he secretly wanted to be asked to go on a *** cruise. LOL

 

[postdiction]

FWIW I think Manning should have gone over to Drew to offer congratulations

I think you are blowing out of proportion this "double standard" thing.

If you have ever been part of a football and basketball game you would know it is much harder to shake hands after a football game than a basketball one. In CBB teams almost always shake hands after games while in CFB the only head coaches shake hands regularly.

Due to the size of the field/# of players it is much harder in football. Furthermore, the Super Bowl was the championship game with a ton of media/fans/workers(setup trophy stage) on field vs none of those factors were in play when Cleavland lost.

Also part of the argument is perception of character. LBJ (though an amazing BB player) often acts like a jacka** on the court with all the antics. These antics are disliked not only by fans of other teams but also other NBA players. As another example if Jay Cutler did what Manning did there would be much more of an out cry. When comparing perception of character Manning is much more like Tim Duncan or Ray Allen while LBJ is more like Cutler or Shockey.

If you act like an idiot when you do something bad people will jump on it much more than if you act like a school boy.

NFL vs NBA - very valid comparison because there are no young black men covered with tattoos in the NFL?

I am not saying there is no discrimination in regards to the white/black thing but, honestly people like to cheer for players they can relate to. It works both ways, for example the NHL: not many AA or Hispanics that I am friends with watch the NHL but, nobody makes a big deal about that?

However, the most popular athlete of my lifetime is black and an NBA player sooo.... I am not sure how much any of these arguments hold water

 

[clonetrooper264]

Diddy1122 wrote:

This entire country has been built on double standards since the constitution was drafted over 220 years ago. So this really wasn't anything new.

What I found funny about the whole Peyton Manning thing is on NFL Live, Herm Edwards said Peyton was right in his decision to not shake hands with Brees because it was the Saints moment & since he won already he realized that. What an absolute load of BS! Granted Lebron's antics were worse because he refused to meet with the media afterwards, but Peyton is a sore loser, plain & simple. He needs to be called out on it.

As for Stern, while I'm not the biggest fan of his, I don't think having players wear business casual to their job, & yes it is their job, is such a horrible thing to implement. If I showed up at work with just a t-shirt, ripped jeans, & gym shoes I'd be sent home immediately. Stern views this as a business, which it is, & that type of dress & type of antics just don't fly in the business world.

And Frank there's no need to apologize. We all get your sense of humor & know you were joking. Newskool was just projecting his own jealousies & insecurities onto you. I think he secretly wanted to be asked to go on a *** cruise. LOL

If you know anything about Newskool, it's that he just says stuff to be "controversial" and such sometimes...or a lot. :laugh:

Anyway, I think that the whole double standard exists. I personally think the country is still inherently racist and will continue to be for a long time. It's a shame, but that's how it's been in my experience.

 

[theCHI_Life84]

postdiction wrote:

If you act like an idiot when you do something bad people will jump on it much more than if you act like a school boy.

yup.