New Rule regarding Chinese Teams

[zack54attack]

Chinese teams not allowed to release NBA players until season over. But new deal lets NBA teams offer $500,000 to try to change their minds

Some hope for JR and Chandler to get back into the NBA..

 

[BNB]

SP94's roller coster ride continues

 

[urankabashi]

Haha, it would be funny if they are stuck in China. Oh and BTW, Tebow is going down this sunday.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

How much do you think they will be willing to fork over for sp94's therapy?

 

[zack54attack]

Haha, it would be funny if they are stuck in China. Oh and BTW, Tebow is going down this sunday.

Wrong thread... and I'm a Bears fan.

 

[urankabashi]

For Sure. Bear Down. It was just a comment, im not starting a thread about it. My first sentence was abou the thread at hand. It was like a PS.

 

[zack54attack]

For Sure. Bear Down. It was just a comment, im not starting a thread about it. My first sentence was abou the thread at hand. It was like a PS.

haha it's all good.


I'm a Bears fan, but I like Tebow. Been a fan since his freshman year at Florida lol.

 

[BNB]

but to get on topic.. I think the Nuggets would cough up 500k to get Chandler back. Can't say they'd do the same for JR.

So it looks like JR would have to negotiate with teams through his agent before a team gives up 500k. Don't know which team that would be though.. Can't see many teams willing to go that far for him

 

[bleacherbum54]

This isnt a new rule actually very old. The reason Rubio and Mircotic and Jonas and Bismack didnt/cant come over right away is an NBA team can only pay 500k for a buyout so guys like Rubio are stuck over there unless they want to basiclly play for free by paying there own buy out with there NBA contract.

 

[urankabashi]

Did not know this, thanks for sharing. I really do want to see Rubio play in the NBA.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

How much do you think they will be willing to fork over for sp94's therapy?

:flipa::kick:

 

[bleacherbum54]

Im actually kind of surprised the NBAPA didnt want this rule change and put no limit on a team can spend on a buyout. So the kid the Bulls drafted Mirotic would be allowed to come over right away same with Jonas the #5 overall pick who really wanted to come over this year but cant due to the buy out limit.

Nikola Mirotic wont be able to come over for at least 3 years likely will be 4. If he was able to come over right away he would of been a top 10 pick IMO he is that kind of talent hell of a player.

 

[X]

On the surface, sounds like a hypocritical NBA to me...Let the overseas players refine their games...but bring the college kids up as soon as possible...

But -- I'll have to look into it more...there's probably more to it.

Just don't understand how it hurts either NBA or College BBall if kids have to be 2 years removed of HS before they go pro.

 

[bleacherbum54]

On the surface, sounds like a hypocritical NBA to me...Let the overseas players refine their games...but bring the college kids up as soon as possible...

But -- I'll have to look into it more...there's probably more to it.

Just don't understand how it hurts either NBA or College BBall if kids have to be 2 years removed of HS before they go pro.

The NBA doesn't want the players to come straight out of college and be 1 and done they tried to move the age limit to 20 instead of 19. But they said it will stay at 19 for at least this year it is TBA if it will move that was a B issue. I think it will stay.

My ideal scenario would be like baseball choose college or go straight out of HS to the pros. But the college route I would say you have to stay for 2 years the one and done is killing college ball IMO.

I am against an age limit IMO if you are good enough to play in the NBA at 18 you should be allowed to enter the draft just my personal view. I think they want to move it back to give GM's more time to scout the players against other top tier talent.

But I am also for players going to college players these days have really bad fundamentals compared to the old school players IMO this is due to bad coaching at the AAU level which is killing team basketball and big man play. AAU is just 1v1 play ground BS. I went to the AAU nationals at Disney this year and the play was just awful.

Guy like Austin Rivers is a prime example for me the kid is a hell of a player BUT. The kid has no clue how to play without the basketball in his hands this is a key issue with a lot of the elite players now a days. Austin IMO needs to stay at Duke for a few years to learn how to play without the basketball.

Also where is a big man???? AAU has all the 7fters playing on the perimeter it just kills me to watch. I was sad when Shaq retired he was the last true big man with solid fundamentals and actually played like a big man. Dwight is still learning but he made huge strides last year and his fundamentals are really improved after working with the dream. But im afraid this will be the last time we see true big men the game is evolving and that is sad to me.

 

[bleacherbum54]

here is a good article on euro prospects and how they lock themselves in long term deals. And why the NBA put a limit on the buyouts.



another good article that has to do with buyouts



http://okcthunderblog.wordpress.com...eams-draft-and-stash-international-players-2/









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uyouts in Europe Raise Alarm in the N.B.A.
By CHRIS BROUSSARD


here is a 12-year-old boy in Serbia whose 6-foot-11 frame has European scouts beside themselves, itching to sign him to a professional contract. The hope is not that he will one day blossom into a dominant player overseas but that in six or seven years the N.B.A. will come calling, leading to a financial boon worth millions for whatever club has his rights.

Over the past few years, the selling of international players to teams in the National Basketball Association has become big business, and some agents and officials of N.B.A. teams believe it is becoming a big scandal, one in which international clubs are signing teenagers to long-term, relatively low-paying deals, then demanding buyouts worth significantly more than the original contract when they are drafted by an N.B.A. team.

With international players becoming increasingly prominent in the N.B.A. draft and with buyout amounts escalating, there is a growing sense that FIBA, the sport's international governing body, and the N.B.A. should revamp the system. Some American agents likened it to a form of indentured servitude because N.B.A. rules forbid teams to pay more than $350,000 for an overseas buyout, so the player ends up paying the bulk of the money.

"There has to be a committee formed by FIBA, the N.B.A. and all the governing bodies of basketball around the world because it's getting out of hand," said Tony Ronzone, the Detroit Pistons' director of international scouting. "Teams are now seeing the rewards they can get and they're looking for kids younger and younger, 12 and 13 years old, with the intention of signing them to contracts. It hasn't been done yet, but it's coming. It's going to come to a head sooner or later. In two years, something will have to be done."

Two recent situations illustrate Ronzone's point. Maciej Lampe, the Knicks' second-round draft pick from Poland, made about $50,000 last year on a contract with Real Madrid that was to run through 2008. But the buyout clause in the contract was for $2.2 million, though the Knicks were able to whittle it to $900,000.

And last week, Detroit completed a long, complicated negotiation with Hemofarm Vrsac for the rights to Darko Milicic, its first-round pick from Serbia and Montenegro. After telling Milicic's agent, Marc Cornstein, in February that it would take $15 million to buy him out of a nine-year contract that paid Milicic less than $100,000 last season, Hemofarm asked for $8 million to $10 million when approached by the Pistons after the draft.

On Friday, the Pistons signed Milicic to a contract after agreeing to a buyout that was worth $3 million, according to a person briefed on the negotiations.

"It's been quite a roller coaster to get to this day," Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president for basketball operations, said at Friday's news conference.

Earlier, responding to a question sent via e-mail, Dumars said he believed the current system of transferring an international player's rights to the N.B.A. would "have to be addressed."

Cornstein, who represents four foreign-born 2003 draft picks, was more outspoken.

"The European teams sign these kids at a very young age to long-term deals for tiny amounts of money and then hold the N.B.A. teams over a barrel," he said. "They've found a way to strike it rich, and I think it's a major problem. The N.B.A. shouldn't be able to raid a European team, but at the same time, when the buyout is worth multiple times more than the contract itself, at what point does it go from compensation to extortion?"

Few disagree with Cornstein's assertion that international clubs are seeking to profit from players who are drafted by the N.B.A. But representatives of FIBA and the N.B.A. said the system was unlikely to change.

"I don't see how there can be any regulation," Russ Granik, the N.B.A.'s deputy commissioner, said. "And I don't see it as a huge problem because in the end, these things tend to work out. You may walk away thinking that maybe the European team got away with something, but it works out."

Granik said one possible solution is for younger international players, on the advice of an agent, to reject long-term deals in favor of shorter contracts. But the European teams typically get to 14-year-olds before agents, and with many of the players coming from impoverished backgrounds, the deals they receive appear lucrative.

"A $50,000 contract may be nothing by the standards of the L.A. Lakers, but in some places, that's a lot of money," Dirk-Reiner Martens, the legal adviser for FIBA, said in a telephone interview from Munich.

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Ronzone believes a system similar to the N.B.A.'s rookie pay scale should be instituted: a percentage of a players' N.B.A. contract, based on draft position, would go toward a buyout.

But Martens said the system could not, and should not, be changed. In 1990, FIBA, which represents 208 countries, including the United States, and the N.B.A. agreed to honor all legitimate contracts worldwide. Martens contends that the team holding a player's contract has the power to refuse any offers it receives or to say in effect, "make me an offer I can't refuse." He said anything else would be tantamount to overriding a nation's domestic law.

"We should not interfere with contractual rights," Martens said. "Even if we were concerned, we have no way of changing the system. You have to abide by the laws. In the U.S., the N.B.A. has to abide by one legal system. At FIBA, we have to abide by 208 legal systems."

Not all European teams are looking to recoup a tenfold return on their contracts. Benetton Treviso is known as the most N.B.A.-friendly international club; Maurizio Gherardini, Benetton's general manager, said the team would never ask for a buyout that exceeded the total value of a contract. When Denver made Benetton's Nikoloz Tskitishvili the fifth overall pick in 2002, Tskitishvili bought out his seven-year, $1.2 million contract for $1 million.

"My rule is that it has to be something that makes sense and is reasonable for both parties," Gherardini said in a telephone interview from Stockholm, where he was watching the European championships. "I think a buyout that's higher than the contract is unreasonable."

Not every agent believes the system borders on scandalous. Bill Duffy, whose clients include Yao Ming, Rasho Nesterovic and Marko Jaric, wishes that N.B.A. teams would pay more than $350,000 and not leave the financial burden to the players.

"The European teams don't have the revenue from television, radio and ticket sales that the N.B.A. does, so one of their few ways of getting lucrative, long-term money is when a player is bought out of his contract," Duffy said.

If an international team wants to make an exorbitant amount of money from a player it produced, more power to it, Martens said.

"If I had a team in Europe and I invested a lot of money in the formation of a player - I took him to basketball school, fed him, paid all his expenses - and by the time he turns 17, he's a big prospect, I would try to make as long a contract as I can possibly make," Martens said. "Then, if an N.B.A. team comes along, I say, 'No, you can't have him, unless I get back a buyout and extra benefits.' And given the N.B.A. salaries, people get greedy and say: 'Ah, this is the N.B.A. The price goes up 10 times.' That's reality, and we can't stop it."

the bold part is the main reason for the rule lol

 

[Deng Defense Force]

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