No decent HC Candidate will come here…

[Weebey Brice]

What quality coaching candidate is gonna hitch their bets on a GM who is gonna be on the hotseat next year. I just don’t understand why this fucking franchise is so backwards. Doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is just insane.

Also what is the justification in keeping Poles if this team finishes the year on an 11 game losing streak with a 4-13 record? It’s year 3, this team doesn’t look close to competing with the division.

Only way to salvage this, CLEAN house from top to bottom. They won’t, but it’s the only logical move if you want this job to be desirable.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

What quality coaching candidate is gonna hitch their bets on a GM who is gonna be on the hotseat next year. I just don’t understand why this fucking franchise is so backwards. Doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is just insane.

Also what is the justification in keeping Poles if this team finishes the year on an 11 game losing streak with a 4-13 record? It’s year 3, this team doesn’t look close to competing with the division.

Only way to salvage this, CLEAN house from top to bottom. They won’t, but it’s the only logical move if you want this job to be desirable.

2 reasons they will keep him

1) He is a likable yes man, no boat rocker wanted
2) Winning is never the top priority for the Bears

 

[Toast88]

This is Bears fan fatalism.

Plenty of good coaches will want to come in and coach Caleb Williams and Rome Odunze.

Coaches who make it to the highest level of sports have huge egos. Basically every single good candidate will legitimately think they're the guy who can turn it around.


No good coach is looking at this and saying, "Yup, that situation is too tough for me."

 

[DefNextYear]

This is Bears fan fatalism.

Plenty of good coaches will want to come in and coach Caleb Williams and Rome Odunze.

Coaches who make it to the highest level of sports have huge egos. Basically every single good candidate will legitimately think they're the guy who can turn it around.


No good coach is looking at this and saying, "Yup, that situation is too tough for me."

And I'd add that this is the type of coach I'd want. A winner should have an ego and shouldn't be afraid of all the paths to failure.

If there's anything I'd worry about as far as a GM, is that a great coach may want to be tied to a person who will appease them. Like Harbaugh got a guy who will cater to his needs in LA. Should a Harbaugh-esq coach want to come here, they may or may not be interested in Poles being the guy getting them their talent. However, that is not to be confused with a "hot seat" guy, per se. It's more of a power thing.

 

[Sparks500]

I agree with op. The problem is not the personnel, it’s the organization. This is a bad one. It’s mismanaged terribly by ownership meddling. They can deny it all they want, but when you have a 102 yo setting behavioral standards for a 2024 football team it’s a problem.

 

[msadows]

the bears have a potential elite QB, thats why coaches will want to come here.

You arent winning shit with derek carr and dak prescot

 

[nc0gnet0]

Coaching change can’t cover up the truth: The Bears are a mess

There was no interim coach "bump" for the Bears on Sunday. They got embarrassed by the 49ers, losing their seventh straight game.

www.nytimes.com

The Bears are a dumpster fire.

They don't need a HC, they need an entire Fire Department.

 

[Toast88]

I still maintain that we've seen really shitty organizations resurrected with the right QB and/or QB-coach combo.

Bears fans love just being dismissingly fatalistic (and hey, I've been guilty as well---I get it), but it is not unusual for historically shitty franchises to be injected with years of success from finally getting it right, even if they luck into it.

Chiefs (John Dorsey was not some genius GM. He didn't overthink it, hired Andy Reid, and then did nothing. Worked out pretty well, but Dorsey and Chiefs ownership didn't do anything special)
Bills
Bengals (not this year, but one can't deny their relevance and success since drafting Burrow)
Texans

Even a team like the Dolphins, which has been irrelevant most of my life post-Marino, I would bet on getting it right post-Tua.

The gold standard---the Patriots---were nothing special before Belichick & Brady hit it big. Even the Bledsoe-led Patriots were not good.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I still maintain that we've seen really shitty organizations resurrected with the right QB and/or QB-coach combo.

Bears fans love just being dismissingly fatalistic (and hey, I've been guilty as well---I get it), but it is not unusual for historically shitty franchises to be injected with years of success from finally getting it right, even if they luck into it.

Chiefs (John Dorsey was not some genius GM. He didn't overthink it, hired Andy Reid, and then did nothing. Worked out pretty well, but Dorsey and Chiefs ownership didn't do anything special)
Bills
Bengals (not this year, but one can't deny their relevance and success since drafting Burrow)
Texans

Even a team like the Dolphins, which has been irrelevant most of my life post-Marino, I would bet on getting it right post-Tua.

The gold standard---the Patriots---were nothing special before Belichick & Brady hit it big. Even the Bledsoe-led Patriots were not good.

Yeah I think most coaches would take the bears job. The question is how will the bears f*ck up and get the worst coach possible

 

[alswank87]

I would say that’s the case if we end up with someone like Brian Flores.

 

[doctorbear]

I still maintain that we've seen really shitty organizations resurrected with the right QB and/or QB-coach combo.

Bears fans love just being dismissingly fatalistic (and hey, I've been guilty as well---I get it), but it is not unusual for historically shitty franchises to be injected with years of success from finally getting it right, even if they luck into it.

Chiefs (John Dorsey was not some genius GM. He didn't overthink it, hired Andy Reid, and then did nothing. Worked out pretty well, but Dorsey and Chiefs ownership didn't do anything special)
Bills
Bengals (not this year, but one can't deny their relevance and success since drafting Burrow)
Texans

Even a team like the Dolphins, which has been irrelevant most of my life post-Marino, I would bet on getting it right post-Tua.

The gold standard---the Patriots---were nothing special before Belichick & Brady hit it big. Even the Bledsoe-led Patriots were not good.

Unless the Bears ownership has a criteria that's directly affecting the coaching hiring process in a way where they cannot get lucky.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

What quality coaching candidate is gonna hitch their bets on a GM who is gonna be on the hotseat next year. I just don’t understand why this fucking franchise is so backwards. Doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is just insane.

Also what is the justification in keeping Poles if this team finishes the year on an 11 game losing streak with a 4-13 record? It’s year 3, this team doesn’t look close to competing with the division.

Only way to salvage this, CLEAN house from top to bottom. They won’t, but it’s the only logical move if you want this job to be desirable.

There's only 32 NFL HC jobs.

 

[Myk]

What quality coaching candidate is gonna hitch their bets on a GM who is gonna be on the hotseat next year. I just don’t understand why this fucking franchise is so backwards. Doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is just insane.

Also what is the justification in keeping Poles if this team finishes the year on an 11 game losing streak with a 4-13 record? It’s year 3, this team doesn’t look close to competing with the division.

Only way to salvage this, CLEAN house from top to bottom. They won’t, but it’s the only logical move if you want this job to be desirable.

So get rid of the GM who is going to stick with his QB for a GM who is going to dump the last GM's QB to keeps us in this BS cycle as if waiting to get rid of the HC after getting the #1 pick wasn't stupid enough.

Never stop, Bears fans. Just keep being led around by the nose by the media to cause the McCaskeys to continue doing the same old stupid shit.

Did you ever stop to think the media suggesting these things wants the Bears to suck so they have something to sell stories about? If the team was actually good they'd have to come up with a whole new philosophy in reporting and that would mean most of them would lose their jobs because they don't know how to do positive stories unless they're lying in the offseason.

 

[Weebey Brice]

So get rid of the GM who is going to stick with his QB for a GM who is going to dump the last GM's QB to keeps us in this BS cycle as if waiting to get rid of the HC after getting the #1 pick wasn't stupid enough.

Never stop, Bears fans. Just keep being led around by the nose by the media to cause the McCaskeys to continue doing the same old stupid shit.

Did you ever stop to think the media suggesting these things wants the Bears to suck so they have something to sell stories about? If the team was actually good they'd have to come up with a whole new philosophy in reporting and that would mean most of them would lose their jobs because they don't know how to do positive stories unless they're lying in the offseason.

Caleb is not any QB. Arguably the most consensus QB we’ve ever drafted. This isn’t Fields or Trubisky like project. Pretty sure any GM would’ve drafted him number one.

 

[Myk]

Caleb is not any QB. Arguably the most consensus QB we’ve ever drafted. This isn’t Fields or Trubisky like project. Pretty sure any GM would’ve drafted him number one.

And I'm pretty sure whoever you got as GM/HC didn't. No matter how you slice it Williams wouldn't be the new guy's pick.
There would be no love loss to not give Williams what he needs or to trade Williams for a song. There would be no need to try to make him work.

 

[playthrough2001]

And I'm pretty sure whoever you got as GM/HC didn't. No matter how you slice it Williams wouldn't be the new guy's pick.
There would be no love lost to not give Williams what he needs or to trade Williams for a song. There would be no need to try to make him work.

Any GM that sits in a room and says “I don’t think Caleb will work and I might trade him for a song” should be shown the exit in about 2 seconds.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

It’s the NFL

It’s the Chicago Bears

It’s a huge market with a loyal fan base that blindly follows this franchise.

Caleb Williams

3 picks in the top 45

Over 80 million in cap space

1st class offices and training facility

Franchise is committed to a state of the art stadium

Won’t take much winning for the this franchise to love you more than the last guy.

 

[Myk]

Any GM that sits in a room and says “I don’t think Caleb will work and I might trade him for a song” should be shown the exit in about 2 seconds.

Absolutely but people didn't like the idea of getting a GM/HC under the stipulation that Williams was their QB. They required the freedom to cut the QB for their HC.

Either way you fire Flus before the draft so the HC doesn't have a QB forced on him without some say. No sense in compounding the problem and keeping this BS cycle going.
New HC gets 4 years, tie Poles extension to him. If Caleb doesn't work they can all be gone and we start over with a GM/HC getting to pick their own QB. OMG! The horror!

 

[baselman1974]

Harbaugh took the Chargers job because of Herbert. Harbaugh turned it around with basically the same players. Improved oline and Dline. Now get him players. Will give AFC West fits.
Bears is the best job. Williams, Odunze has promise. Moore, Kmet established. $80 million in cap space. Draft capital. Good chance to turn around quickly if HC and coaching staff are good and GM make right moves.

What job is out there that is more promising? Cowboys? Prescott put that team in cap hell. They need more players. Jacksonville? Just bad organization. Baalke is a bad GM. Raiders, Saints, and NYG? No QB. Jets? No QB and is a worse org than Bears.

The Bear are the best opening in a pile of shit that is NFL HC openings.

 

[KittiesKorner]

K thanks I will email the owners…