Noah Named Bulls Player of the Month

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If you didn't take the award from CDW/Blackberry serious already after shunning Gordon every year from Player of the Year honors, then this should help with it. Somehow, Joakim Noah beat out Ben Gordon, who was under all NBA consideration, and Derrick Rose, who had his best month of the season for the award.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/noah_pom_090415.html

Not to take away from Noah's award, but he didn't deserve it.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

These awards dont mean anything anyway however maybe this was a reward from mgt to Noah after a season of hard work and re-dedication.

 

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Newskoolbulls wrote:

These awards dont mean anything anyway however maybe this was a reward from mgt to Noah after a season of hard work and re-dedication.

They already gave him the player of the year award last year when he didn't deserve it.

They NEED to give the award to Gordon after shafting him year after year. I know it is tempting to give it to Rose, but if you have to give it to Rose, make it Co-Players of the Year.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

I doubt any of our guys care about any of that. I didn't even remember that Noah won last year and I don't know why because he wasn't all that impressive unlike this year.

 

[charity stripe]

I wanted to make a point about the media, but wasn't sure where to post it.

When Gordon was in a 2 game slump after the 43 pt Miami game, both Sam Smith and KC wrote articles about it, talking about his streakiness.

But the last two games Hinrich is 1-12 and the last three games Salmons is 9-36. But there isn't much mention about that.

And this isn't about the players, I like both Salmons and Hinrich. Its about the media doing a poor job and using double standards.

 

[AirP]

charity stripe wrote:

I wanted to make a point about the media, but wasn't sure where to post it.

When Gordon was in a 2 game slump after the 43 pt Miami game, both Sam Smith and KC wrote articles about it, talking about his streakiness.

But the last two games Hinrich is 1-12 and the last three games Salmons is 9-36. But there isn't much mention about that.

And this isn't about the players, I like both Salmons and Hinrich. Its about the media doing a poor job and using double standards.

It's different for players who are more defense then offense. Both Hinrich and Salmons are much better on the defensive end then Gordon so when you're much closer to a 1 way player like Gordon is, you'll get your main skill(offense) talked about more then someone who is more of a defensive player


BTW... Salmons is playing through an injury, if Deng were around or if we didn't need to win as many of the last few games as we did... Salmons would probably be sitting.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

charity stripe wrote:

I wanted to make a point about the media, but wasn't sure where to post it.

When Gordon was in a 2 game slump after the 43 pt Miami game, both Sam Smith and KC wrote articles about it, talking about his streakiness.

But the last two games Hinrich is 1-12 and the last three games Salmons is 9-36. But there isn't much mention about that.

And this isn't about the players, I like both Salmons and Hinrich. Its about the media doing a poor job and using double standards.

It's pretty clear that Gordon is held to a much higher standard. I don't look at it as an "unfair" thing, but rather, it shows people's opinion on how good and how dominating Gordon can be, and is at times.

Nobody thinks Hinrich has the potential, nor will, become an all star. Salmons maybe, but its borderline.

When people look at BG, they saw a lot of potential and know that his ceiling has yet to be reached. I think this last year he has gotten much better with taking the ball to the hole and finishing strong. This is something I fully expect him to improve further upon for next year, and once folks start backing off in anticipation of him driving, thats when he is going to be able to dribble, stop and shoot with "Iverson like" effectiveness. Its the spacing that he will continue to improve upon creating, and that will allow him at 6'2'' to be dominant.


Point being that we can all see the "all-star" in Ben Gordon, the guy who you can pencil in for 20-23 ppg. Once he gets respect on his driving, that average can go up to 23-28ppg, putting him in an elite group in the NBA. And it's possible, BG has the capability to be that type of player.
So that is why he is judged so much harsher then the other guys. WE expect more out of him, know that he has the ability to be a perennial all star, but still needs to work on the defensive end of the game, and also improve his ability to drive and create his own shot. Its actually a compliment when you think about it, b/c I think Ben can still improve. Salmons and Hirich.....they can still improve on some things, but their ceiling is nowhere near Ben's.

 

[st. park]

chi_hawks_23 wrote:

charity stripe wrote:

I wanted to make a point about the media, but wasn't sure where to post it.

When Gordon was in a 2 game slump after the 43 pt Miami game, both Sam Smith and KC wrote articles about it, talking about his streakiness.

But the last two games Hinrich is 1-12 and the last three games Salmons is 9-36. But there isn't much mention about that.

And this isn't about the players, I like both Salmons and Hinrich. Its about the media doing a poor job and using double standards.

It's pretty clear that Gordon is held to a much higher standard. I don't look at it as an "unfair" thing, but rather, it shows people's opinion on how good and how dominating Gordon can be, and is at times.

I'd like to believe this but really, I think that Ben gets more criticism because there is a large contingent of Bulls fans that simply don't like him. It's really as simple as that. I can't think of any other Chicago sports player in recent years that gets as much undeserved criticism as Ben (maybe outside of Rex).

That said, I really don't care that Noah got this nomination. Looking back it seems like the Bulls try to share the award with as many players as possible throughout the year.

 

[collisrost]

These awards are just marketing gimmicks. That said, I get the impression that these awards are used a little like motivational candy. They give it to different guys hoping that they will feel good about their hard work and try even harder. Works with 6 year olds but I don't know if it's going to work with ballplayers.

 

[Hendu0520]

Yah this award means nothing. It seems like it is like a most improved player award not the best player, ha.

 

[Robg]

i like Noah.
ok this is just a test response for the new site.

 

[dougthonus]

They NEED to give the award to Gordon after shafting him year after year. I know it is tempting to give it to Rose, but if you have to give it to Rose, make it Co-Players of the Year.

I bet they don't give it to Gordon given that they'd rather reward someone whom they think will be here next year.

As has been pointed out in the thread, these things are motivational tools, not about who the best player is. They want to give the award to someone who worked really hard.

Noah did have a great month though. 10.5 points, 9.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists, shot 68% from the field and 94% from the foul line.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

dougthonus wrote:

Noah did have a great month though. 10.5 points, 9.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists, shot 68% from the field and 94% from the foul line.

If we could get that type of production all of next year from him, I think he will end up being a steal considering we got him with the #9 pick.

I know the 94% from the line is high, but even 70-80% would be ok in my book. I'm too lazy to look this up right now, but I would imagine that he was somewhere around 1-1.5 bpg too (for this last month).

 

[dougthonus]

There were only 6 games in the month. He had 5 blocks and 8 steals as well. The real question with Noah, to me, is whether he can get enough leg strength to play solid defense for 36 minutes a night. If he can become a good post defender and good defensive rebounder then he should play 30+ minute a night.

If that's the case, then I think he'll average a double double. 10-12 points and 10 boards. The points will largely be garbage points like he gets now, but he'll get around 10-12 just by playing that many minutes.

I've always thought Noah would be a very good pro, and was very happy about taking him at #9. The real question; can he add the strength in the lower body to stop getting pushed around and to maintain position in the post. That's the only thing he needs to really improve on his game to become the player I'd hoped he would be.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

dougthonus wrote:

The real question; can he add the strength in the lower body to stop getting pushed around and to maintain position in the post.

This will be the key. This is what will allow him to guard without picking up stupid fouls and will allow him to be that center who plays 32-36 mins per night....instead of the one who gets two quick personal's 3 minutes into the game.

 

[Fred]

Doug, you deserve a lot of credit for making the case for Noah. I think I had an episode, not long ago, titled "Throw Noah off the Ark", and you really made an argument that made me think twice. I'm usually pretty set in my ways, but your arguments for Noah really turned me around on him.

Noah is an excellent offensive rebounder. Fundamentally, he isn't horrible on the defensive end...he just isn't strong enough against the bigger centers. If he can put on 10 pounds of muscle, he has the potential to be Anderson Varejao-ish, which would be absolutely fantastic for this team. If Tyrus attacked the offensive boards like Noah does, Tyrus could be an All-Star next year.

 

[dougthonus]

Tyrus still needs to learn how to focus so much, as you've said, I've spent more time watching him individually after our arguments, and you're right he just is fundamentally very poor on the defensive glass, and he gets lazy too frequently on the offensive glass.

Tyrus is such an athlete that he needs to be running constantly. If he did, then he could force the action so much because he would absolutely wear out the competition.

 

[BigPete]

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[The Count Dante]

How would this be different than selling all the supplements that can claim anything they want so long as they include:</p>


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"FDA does not support these claims"?</p>


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I mean, you can sell ANYTHING as a supplement thanks to good ole Sen. Orrin Hatch out in Utah, the state that makes all the supplements?</p>

 

[supraman]

Still waiting on the Nigerian prince to give me my money</p>