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So today at work, one of the PM's from my client pulled me into an office and offered me a job. I am a consultant and have been with my company for 5 years. I am torn up about what to do, I would be getting a significant raise (they actually save money by doing this, my company charges out the ass for consultant services) and unfortunately for my client 90% of their IT department is made up of consultants my project alone, 6 of the 7 team members are consultants, so they only way they can keep that knowledge is to continue overpaying for consultants or scalping the ones that are there.



The only thing is, with my current company, I have ample job security. For all I know if I go to work for my client I could get layed off in a year. That and dealing with my former employer getting pissy at me about it. The consultant thing is getting kind of tedious though, starting at new clients, feeling like you are starting another new job, not knowing what location you will be working at a year from now thus having to keep your living arrangments open.



There are other people that worked for my company that have jumped ship to this client and are happy they did, but I just don't know, i think alot of it is because i feel its kind of a dick move. I have no idea what to do.
 

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**** everyone else and their feelings... do what's right for you.



Baa, I am more insanely paranoid about job security, thats whats holding me back the most, is entering into an unkown.
 

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I suggest do a financial breakdown. Which is the best for you short term and long term? What is the job rentention rate at the new firm compared to yours? Which one do you think will give you more job satisfaction?
 

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One thing to consider is to sit down with you current company and talk to them. See if they would be okay with it. Or another way to do it is have the company you are consulting at talk to your company and get their blessing.



Either way you leave on good terms with your current employer.
 

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One thing to consider is to sit down with you current company and talk to them. See if they would be okay with it. Or another way to do it is have the company you are consulting at talk to your company and get their blessing.



Either way you leave on good terms with your current employer.



Can't do that. they will lay the hammer down on that shit post haste. My company and my client have a contract that prevents them from offering jobs to their employees.



So basically they didnt say we are offering you a job they said they have openings available, if you are interested. They made me aware that they will hire me, if I asked them essentially to keep the ball out of their court and make it like they didnt actively pursue me.



and its happened before a girl I worked with got the same offer essentially and went to our leadership about it, she never heard of it again. So me going to my company would immidiately make this opportunity disappear.
 

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Tim, have you signed any kind of non complete clause or non disclosure clause with your existing company? If you have there are serious legal reprecussions, if they sue you of course.



I have moved to a new company twice since leaving the military. The grass is always going to look greener on the other side of the fence, and sometimes it is. If you do talk to them about taking the job, make sure the compensation package is worth it. As for job stability, great concern to have, but you make a name for yourself and you shouldn't have to worry about that. I know you are good at what you do, so I can't imagine you wouldn't succeed at becoming invaluable to your new employer.



Either way, good luck dude. Glad to hear people think so highly of you.
 

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Can you negotiate a guaranteed contract with them? Like a "you can't lay me off or whatever for 3 years" type of thing?



Also, **** the non compete. Mind you, I am not a legal dude, but I have a hard time believing that a judge would say "no, you can't work, earn money, and pay taxes". I mean really, that is some crap. I know it has happened before, but i can't trust the legal system.
 

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I wouldn't trust an under the table verbal offer. I would get an official interview and a written offer of salary/benifits before making any decisions. Can't tell you the number of times I've seen people bolt for another job offer only to find out it wasn't as promised.



Had something similar with my part time job. Verbally told me I would be making 30-40K more per year if I went full time with them compared to my current full time job. After I sat down with them at an interview and got a written offer, that 30-40K was mainly a non-guaranteed productivity bonus. And after they outlined what they wanted me to do there was no way I'd even come close to reaching the milestone for that to kick in. 18 months later they sold the buisness. I would have been fucked.
 

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I would talk extensively with the people that already jumped ship.

Ask how well they've been treated by your client after they came to work with them directly.

Compare the benefits/vacation time....



We've probably done this already, but that would be your best gauge of the situation IMHO.
 

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Do everything you can to not burn bridges, but that seems highly unlikely. If you are the most skilled though, they can't refuse to want you back though. If you are just a normal run of the mill guy, don't expect it. Is there anyway to talk to them about being offered a job, without leading on that it is the client? As in, say you have found a job opportunity out there that is offering you a,b,c, and would like to give as much transparency as possible. Giving them the chance to match your need.



Or the best choice may be to simply go to them and layout what you need in order to be happy at your currnet job. Explain to them that you've been there so long, worked on high level this and that, and lay out your case as to why you deserve everything you are asking for. I strongly urge putting the same thought into the as you do your work. Turn your investigation inward and datamine your career for every piece of information then write it up in an organized way that makes sense much like you would any other code. Then after you've laid it all out, if they say no, you can say thank you, but this is what I need so I will let you know that I'm going to start looking elsewhere. This gives you an out to say, I gave you the opportunity, you said no so I told you I would look elsewhere. Logical place would be your current client, and you'd be doing the looking not them. This also gives you a buffer that isn't a abrupt two week notice. They may not think you are going to actually start looking immediately, or even have anything in mind. So this could give you a little more time to work out the deal with the current client.



Now, that aside, the actual decision here is probably the most gut wrenching. I went through the same type of thing a few years ago. I moved to Chicago for a job. One of my best friends got me hired with him at a (now) 3 man shop. It was an excellent job, good benefits, great boss (most of the time haha) who I looked at almost as a mentor. I worked with my best friend. It wasn't too demanding. Got to travel some, very interesting and stimulating at times, couldn't be happier. Except, even though we grew to 5-6 people I still seemed like the 3rd wheel underling, and got paid accordingly. Even when I helped hire people into two positions over me, (and my friend) and while we were really the show, I never really felt my title. But it was stable, I could probably have worked there the rest of my life. But an opportunity came along that was about 15k more a year, and all sorts of other things. It sounded great and was going to be great. It scared the shit out of me. I didn't really know these people, the knowledge was a bit over my head, it was working out of my home, with lot's of travel which I don't mind. Still a small company, but different entirely. But in the end I decided it was what's best for me. I was getting married, the money would help, the experience would be great and the people can't be too bad.



It was a disaster. The company was small with 3 bosses and none of them took charge. Everything got defered to the others, and nothing got decided on without pulling teeth. My role was never clearly defined. Professional Boundaries were crossed all over, the people were the best at what they did and were great people, but it was just a clusterfuck of a business. I couldn't sleep, I practically got an ulcer, and eventually we all came to an understanding that it wasn't the best situation for me. In the end though, I'm glad I did it. I was unemployed for a couple of months but was lucky enough to use my connections to get a new job. And the best part is, I stayed in the price range and level that I had worked my way upto. I didn't drop back down because of the failed experiment I just plowed through to the next thing. I still probably love my first job best, but i've found an inbetween of stable solid work and money. I have never regretted it. Sometimes the best experience is the experienced gained from taking the chances if you believe in yourself enough to land on your feet if you fall.



**** that sounded like a motivational poster with a cat on it.
 

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Since you tossed my original idea. Go with your gut
 

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Tim, have you signed any kind of non complete clause or non disclosure clause with your existing company? If you have there are serious legal reprecussions, if they sue you of course.



I have moved to a new company twice since leaving the military. The grass is always going to look greener on the other side of the fence, and sometimes it is. If you do talk to them about taking the job, make sure the compensation package is worth it. As for job stability, great concern to have, but you make a name for yourself and you shouldn't have to worry about that. I know you are good at what you do, so I can't imagine you wouldn't succeed at becoming invaluable to your new employer.



Either way, good luck dude. Glad to hear people think so highly of you.



yeah I did but im not worried about it. so many people from my company have done this very same thing, they arent going to waste their time and resources on it. i work with people today that were with my company and jumped ship to this client since the project started. i talked to one of the guys and he said said they didnt do anything other than the senior executive from our company at the location acting pissy toward him the first time he saw him since he left.



I'll refrain from saying the name of my company but its huge, and generally people use it as a spring board to do this very thing, get exposure to a client and jump ship, the proof of that is, I have been with this company 5 years and have been with them longer than 70% of the employees worldwide.



I mean dont get me wrong I like my job, but the thing is, my job is essentially whatever client I am working at. its easy for me to forget I even work for my parent company especially when at clients long term. I was at AT&T for 3 years and I liked that job too, it was a pain to leave, Blue Cross sucked i am glad I was only there for 3 months. Now I've been at this client for almost a year and I really like working here. I think its more or less the whole consultant thing is getting tedious. Theres no shortage of clients, so I will always have somewhere to work, its just annoying not knowing where that will be and whether I will like the environment. I am getting friggin sick of moving, and wouldnt mind settling into one spot Ive practically been a vagabond since i was 19, never in one place for more than a couple years.
 

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I hear you. Sounds you like you've just about made up your mind. [push]
 

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I hear you. Sounds you like you've just about made up your mind. [push]



Believe me I still havent, i am having lunch with the guy next week to discuss possible details, but my mind is far from made.
 

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We all know you work for accenture douchebag. And for the record I think they suck
 

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We all know you work for accenture douchebag. And for the record I think they suck

Accenture's not so bad. It's GD that is a big fucking pain in my ass, but we let them walk into our customer's enterprise by strategically deciding to not bid for the new mega campus out east (not so bright........)



Tim really needs to get his old clearance renewed and upgraded so he can make the really big bucks.
 

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Accenture's not so bad. It's GD that is a big fucking pain in my ass, but we let them walk into our customer's enterprise by strategically deciding to not bid for the new mega campus out east (not so bright........)



Tim really needs to get his old clearance renewed and upgraded so he can make the really big bucks.



When it was still good they had a project at Scott AFB, which they were getting people clearances for. Made no sense they sent me to at&t since I was in the area.
 

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