Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans ONLY

[Washington]

Pace also had to hit on his day 3 picks because he was so horrendous with his day 2 picks. I would not use Pace as any sort of drafting template.

In his first draft, Poles hit on Braxton in the 5th. Kramer has provided OL depth from the 6th.

In his 2nd draft, Roschon in the 4th is still on the roster as RB depth and Terrell Smith has been good at CB from the 5th.

In his 3rd draft, he took a punter and it's too early to say what they have in Booker.

And in this latest draft, it's obviously way too early to really say anything about any of them.

IMO, Poles is basically batting about average on day 3 picks of what should be reasonable expectations of a GM. He is generally drafting traits at that point and seeing if they can develop into anything. I think that is a valid approach. Part of the problem too is that because he picked the wrong initial HC and hence coaching staff, the development side has been stunted, imo.

It will be very interesting to see with the new coaching staff if they can develop guys better and get more out of all the picks, days 2 and 3 especially. I would hope so, but until it happens, that is going to be a big question mark.

Trust me when I say I was not a fan of Pace but I just used a few of his examples. It was not to compare Pace to Poles.

The point I was trying to make was in regard to throwing away a pick for a year rental when you are a shitty team. You actually showed players and reasons why using that draft pick would be better than in essence throwing it away. I would rather have the punter with that pick versus having nobody after the year of the 1 year rental.

 

[Washington]

now look at all the trash pace drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds like trubisky, fields, shaheen, Kevin White, Tev Jenkins.

So now we are judging GM's not by the picks they should be making properly, but getting lucky and hitting the lottery in later rounds? Poles has drafted a good starter in every one of his 1st and 2nd round picks thus far in his first 3 years. Maybe some of those players will grow to become star players eventually. Thats pretty impressive.

All those players you listed outside of amos and eddie jackson kind of sucked too. Braxton Jones is better than all of them and was a 5th rounder.

Again, keenan allen was basically the only coach caleb had. You'd rather have another dominique robinson over a guy who could help develop your potential franchise QB? Dumb as shit thought process.

You know my post was not a comparison of Pace to Poles. It was to show that good players can come with picks in the 4th and beyond.

You even make my point for me too by listing Jones. Thanks for that.

 

[msadows]

You know my post was not a comparison of Pace to Poles. It was to show that good players can come with picks in the 4th and beyond.

You even make my point for me too by listing Jones. Thanks for that.

Very very rarely, as i pointed out. Or do you think 7% hit rate for starters is "good"

like 10 3+ year starters out of 150 players is not a good hit ratio.

Keenan Allen was 100% worth it, thinking its not and bitching about it is stupid. His help in developing caleb is more important than drafting a scrub backup who will be one of the bottom guys on the roster

 

[pseudonym]

My take on Kiran is they want to see what they have. Is he a starter, a rotating depth piece, or garbage. Put him in with the 1s as Ozzy starts to learn the playbook. I expect shortly we'll see Ozzy move up with the 1s, assuming Kiran isn't AMAZING. Jones is still hurt, recovering, and we basically know what we have in him. They may decide to keep all three for quality depth. But I expect Ozzy to take this job and be LT as the start of the season.

 

[Canth]

Trust me when I say I was not a fan of Pace but I just used a few of his examples. It was not to compare Pace to Poles.

The point I was trying to make was in regard to throwing away a pick for a year rental when you are a shitty team. You actually showed players and reasons why using that draft pick would be better than in essence throwing it away. I would rather have the punter with that pick versus having nobody after the year of the 1 year rental.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that Poles has been a bit too 'trade happy' at times. However, I think some of that also comes from the changing landscape of the NFL. The cap has increased so much in recent years that it's made it generally easier for teams to keep a hold of their good pending free agents meaning the free agency has a lot less options to find impact starters.

Easily the 2 worst trades were the Claypool trade and the Bates trade. I really don't understand the fixation that Poles had for Bates. And some day, teams will learn to never trade with Pittsburgh especially at WR.

I hope that Poles has learned to not really do the in-season trades, at least in terms of trying acquire players now. It always felt a little weird to me to do that when the Bears were nowhere near any sort of playoff run. They were not 1 player away from anything at those points in time. Sweat at least is still on the team and can be a solid starter.

 

[msadows]

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that Poles has been a bit too 'trade happy' at times. However, I think some of that also comes from the changing landscape of the NFL. The cap has increased so much in recent years that it's made it generally easier for teams to keep a hold of their good pending free agents meaning the free agency has a lot less options to find impact starters.

Easily the 2 worst trades were the Claypool trade and the Bates trade. I really don't understand the fixation that Poles had for Bates. And some day, teams will learn to never trade with Pittsburgh especially at WR.

I hope that Poles has learned to not really do the in-season trades, at least in terms of trying acquire players now. It always felt a little weird to me to do that when the Bears were nowhere near any sort of playoff run. They were not 1 player away from anything at those points in time. Sweat at least is still on the team and can be a solid starter.

This is actually really key. Look at all the projected FA's at midseason last year to who actually hit FA. The majority of good players just remained with their teams.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Everyone as in the shitty chicago media.

I could give a **** less about kiran i just always assumed ryan poles isnt going to give up on a guy he drafted only like 20 picks lower than ozzy

They still needed competition at the tackle position no matter who it is. Braxton may not be healthy and is likely gone next year

You have been on the Kiran train for a while. I’m not saying Poles should give up on him, but you don’t draft a second round OT if you are comfortable with Kiran. Drafting a second round OT says the exact opposite.

 

[Dumpster Fire]

You‘ve got to give credit to Poles for finding Bagent and Sanborn as UDFAs. He plucked them off of the scrap heap without spending a draft pick on them. Two of his best moves from a cost vs value perspective.

 

[playthrough2001]

You‘ve got to give credit to Poles for finding Bagent and Sanborn as UDFAs. He plucked them off of the scrap heap without spending a draft pick on them. Two of his best moves from a cost vs value perspective.

Blackwell too. I believe Hicks has 15 starts and he was a 7th round pick.

 

[playthrough2001]

 

[Luke]

he kind of backs up Chris Emma's speculation that he might be the starting RT primarily because of the sheer number of reps he's had there.
This off course only occurs if they don't like Kiran at LT and Braxton takes longer to return forcing a move to LT by Wright.