Official NFL Draft Thread - Best Rookie Scheme Fits for Every Team - Bear Fans ONLY

[Midway Fields]

Wheels deals and replenishes??? lmao

Most of the times he’s traded a pick for a player, he’s recouped trading back in the draft. Ya dig?

 

[gallagher]

So the Bears would have taken the exact same player in that spot?

Sorry, but giving up draft picks for one year rentals on a shitty team is not a good approach IMHO. The good teams who are competing for a SB can throw away draft capital like that.

No, they would likely not take the same exact player in the same spot. Though I do presume WR would still be on the table, given that the team went into 2024 with three WRs of a certain caliber, and would otherwise not want to rely on VJJ and Scott. However, it is a point towards the idea that picks on the third day of the draft usually do not amount to much. As another example, I do not think any Bears fan is expecting anyone drafted on day 3 to contribute a whole lot to the team in this up coming season, and I would have had zero qualms with trading a 4th round pick for a starting lineman, knowing how hard up the team was for OL talent last year. Seems to me that even before the extension, trading a 2026 4th for Thuney was a wise move.

Anyway, I do not take a black-and-white view to trading a draft picks - it was important to get another quality receiver on the team because they knew they were getting a brand new QB (they traded for Allen in March, a month and a half before the draft). It would have been far worse to have a rookie QB only throwing to DJ Moore than Moore + Allen, and they had no idea if one of the better WR prospects would be available at #9 to also add to the bunch.

Should Poles do that every year? No. But in this circumstance, Allen contributed 70 catches, 700+ yards and 7 TDs as a reliable target for a rookie QB. You aren't likely to replicate that impact with a 4th rounder, and so I feel comfortable with that trade.

 

[SugarWalls]

Most of the times he’s traded a pick for a player, he’s recouped trading back in the draft. Ya dig?

I’d argue he’s done that once or twice but the majority of times that isn’t the case, I see what you mean now though

 

[playthrough2001]

I’d argue he’s done that once or twice but the majority of times that isn’t the case, I see what you mean now though

His first draft he started out with 5 picks and no first rounder compliments of Ryan Pace. He ended up with eleven selections.

Also, he didn’t have a chance to get the full staff of his choice in place prior to that draft.

Six of those picks are still on the team.

 

[Luke]

His first draft he started out with 5 picks and no first rounder compliments of Ryan Pace. He ended up with eleven selections.

Also, he didn’t have a chance to get the full staff of his choice in place prior to that draft.

Six of those picks are still on the team.

Kiran gets the first shot at LT..

Braxton Jones, the veteran, wasn’t at the voluntary OTA practice. His spot was manned by second-year project Kiran Amegadjie during the 11-on-11 portion of Wednesday’s practice, and second-round pick Ozzy Trapilo practiced with the third team.

 

[TL1961]

Still a dumb move by Poles to give up a 4th for a one year rental on an old WR after drafting Odunze. That is the kind of move you do when your team is close to competing. Poles throws around draft picks too much.

He signed Allen before the draft. A 4th to get a weapon for a rookie QB? Not bad at all.

 

[msadows]

Kiran gets the first shot at LT..

Braxton Jones, the veteran, wasn’t at the voluntary OTA practice. His spot was manned by second-year project Kiran Amegadjie during the 11-on-11 portion of Wednesday’s practice, and second-round pick Ozzy Trapilo practiced with the third team.

CCS told me that kiran is trash after 1.5 games of play

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

CCS told me that kiran is trash after 1.5 games of play

Of course Kiran is going to be with the 1st team with Jones still recovering. That is no surprise. Do you think the Bears would have drafted Ozzie in the second round if they felt Kiran was the for sure answer?

 

[Washington]

He signed Allen before the draft. A 4th to get a weapon for a rookie QB? Not bad at all.

As I have stated before, IMHO, bad teams (see Bears) should not throw away draft picks on one year rentals. That is what good teams do that are competing for a Super Bowl. I guess I could buy into a 6th or 7th though. Allen was so good that no teams have lined up to sign him. They could have gotten similar production from a FA. It turns out with them drafting Odunze, the wasted draft pick was even more wasted.

Then again, our GM has sucked terribly after the 2nd round and probably would have used the 4th on a punter or a kicker or maybe even a long snapper.

 

[msadows]

Of course Kiran is going to be with the 1st team with Jones still recovering. That is no surprise. Do you think the Bears would have drafted Ozzie in the second round if they felt Kiran was the for sure answer?

Why of course? I thought everyone was sure ozzie would be the LT at the start of camp and chicago media totally wrote off kiran.

 

[msadows]

As I have stated before, IMHO, bad teams (see Bears) should not throw away draft picks on one year rentals. That is what good teams do that are competing for a Super Bowl. I guess I could buy into a 6th or 7th though. Allen was so good that no teams have lined up to sign him. They could have gotten similar production from a FA. It turns out with them drafting Odunze, the wasted draft pick was even more wasted.

Then again, our GM has sucked terribly after the 2nd round and probably would have used the 4th on a punter or a kicker or maybe even a long snapper.

Allen helped caleb a lot last year. He was essentially a player coach

the crying over a 4th round pick is fucking hilarious.

Also, most GM's suck terrible after round 3. The hit rate for 4th rounders and on combined is worse than the hit rate for UDFA's. Ryan poles has sucked on 3rd rounders but expecting to find the one or two diamonds in the rough in the 4th and 5th rounds is absurd.

Up until this year poles has had 3 drafts where every 1st or 2nd rounder was a good player. the majority of nfl gm's can not say that.

 

[Midway Fields]

CCS told me that kiran is trash after 1.5 games of play

I hope I’m wrong but put me squarely in the camp that thinks he’s trash until proven otherwise.

Heard he’s been slow off the snap in the OTA getting beat like a drum which was apparent in the Vikings game.

 

[Washington]

Allen helped caleb a lot last year. He was essentially a player coach

the crying over a 4th round pick is fucking hilarious.

Also, most GM's suck terrible after round 3. The hit rate for 4th rounders and on combined is worse than the hit rate for UDFA's. Ryan poles has sucked on 3rd rounders but expecting to find the one or two diamonds in the rough in the 4th and 5th rounds is absurd.

Up until this year poles has had 3 drafts where every 1st or 2nd rounder was a good player. the majority of nfl gm's can not say that.

Plenty of GMs find starters in the 4th round and beyond. I'd rather they take a flier on it or use it to trade up than to throw it away on a 1 year rental when you are a terrible team which the Bears were. Maybe the 4th rounder is not a starter but solid backup. That helps too. Throwing the pick away basically for an old WR who no other team wants this year was a complete waste.

 

[msadows]

Plenty of GMs find starters in the 4th round and beyond. I'd rather they take a flier on it or use it to trade up than to throw it away on a 1 year rental when you are a terrible team which the Bears were. Maybe the 4th rounder is not a starter but solid backup. That helps too. Throwing the pick away basically for an old WR who no other team wants this year was a complete waste.

Who is plenty of GM's? Who has the great brad holmes of detroit found in the 4th and later outside of st brown?

In the 2020 draft only 25 players have started 2 or more seasons in the NFL from round 4-7

If we go up to 3 years it goes down to 10 players.

The hit rate is absurdly low, judging a GM on not finding a diamond in the rough is the dumbest criticism I've ever found of poles.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Why of course? I thought everyone was sure ozzie would be the LT at the start of camp and chicago media totally wrote off kiran.

Who is everyone? It wasn’t even announced that Ozzie was going to start practicing at LT until recently haha. I think for whatever reason you are just upset that people are writing off Kiran. Again, if Johnson was set on Kiran, would they have drafted Ozzie with a second round pick?

 

[msadows]

Who is everyone? It wasn’t even announced that Ozzie was going to start practicing at LT until recently haha. I think for whatever reason you are just upset that people are writing off Kiran. Again, if Johnson was set on Kiran, would they have drafted Ozzie with a second round pick?

Everyone as in the shitty chicago media.

I could give a **** less about kiran i just always assumed ryan poles isnt going to give up on a guy he drafted only like 20 picks lower than ozzy

They still needed competition at the tackle position no matter who it is. Braxton may not be healthy and is likely gone next year

 

[Washington]

Who is plenty of GM's? Who has the great brad holmes of detroit found in the 4th and later outside of st brown?

In the 2020 draft only 25 players have started 2 or more seasons in the NFL from round 4-7

If we go up to 3 years it goes down to 10 players.

The hit rate is absurdly low, judging a GM on not finding a diamond in the rough is the dumbest criticism I've ever found of poles.

St Brown is a hell of win no? I'm not saying all GMs find wins every year but wins are found every year.

Let's just look at some of Pace's late picks. While they are not all gems, all became starters for some period of time:

Amos - 5th
Eddie Jackson - 4th

Those guys above were the real deal and played lots of good ball!

Kwiatkowski - 4th
Cohen - 4th
Houston-Carson - 6th
Nichols - 5th

Not gems above but solid contributors.

I would rather have had those players for multiple years on cheap deals than thrown away the draft picks for expensive 1 year rentals.

 

[Canth]

St Brown is a hell of win no? I'm not saying all GMs find wins every year but wins are found every year.

Let's just look at some of Pace's late picks. While they are not all gems, all became starters for some period of time:

Amos - 5th
Eddie Jackson - 4th

Those guys above were the real deal and played lots of good ball!

Kwiatkowski - 4th
Cohen - 4th
Houston-Carson - 6th
Nichols - 5th

Not gems above but solid contributors.

I would rather have had those players for multiple years on cheap deals than thrown away the draft picks for expensive 1 year rentals.

Pace also had to hit on his day 3 picks because he was so horrendous with his day 2 picks. I would not use Pace as any sort of drafting template.

In his first draft, Poles hit on Braxton in the 5th. Kramer has provided OL depth from the 6th.

In his 2nd draft, Roschon in the 4th is still on the roster as RB depth and Terrell Smith has been good at CB from the 5th.

In his 3rd draft, he took a punter and it's too early to say what they have in Booker.

And in this latest draft, it's obviously way too early to really say anything about any of them.

IMO, Poles is basically batting about average on day 3 picks of what should be reasonable expectations of a GM. He is generally drafting traits at that point and seeing if they can develop into anything. I think that is a valid approach. Part of the problem too is that because he picked the wrong initial HC and hence coaching staff, the development side has been stunted, imo.

It will be very interesting to see with the new coaching staff if they can develop guys better and get more out of all the picks, days 2 and 3 especially. I would hope so, but until it happens, that is going to be a big question mark.

 

[msadows]

St Brown is a hell of win no? I'm not saying all GMs find wins every year but wins are found every year.

Let's just look at some of Pace's late picks. While they are not all gems, all became starters for some period of time:

Amos - 5th
Eddie Jackson - 4th

Those guys above were the real deal and played lots of good ball!

Kwiatkowski - 4th
Cohen - 4th
Houston-Carson - 6th
Nichols - 5th

Not gems above but solid contributors.

I would rather have had those players for multiple years on cheap deals than thrown away the draft picks for expensive 1 year rentals.

now look at all the trash pace drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds like trubisky, fields, shaheen, Kevin White, Tev Jenkins.

So now we are judging GM's not by the picks they should be making properly, but getting lucky and hitting the lottery in later rounds? Poles has drafted a good starter in every one of his 1st and 2nd round picks thus far in his first 3 years. Maybe some of those players will grow to become star players eventually. Thats pretty impressive.

All those players you listed outside of amos and eddie jackson kind of sucked too. Braxton Jones is better than all of them and was a 5th rounder.

Again, keenan allen was basically the only coach caleb had. You'd rather have another dominique robinson over a guy who could help develop your potential franchise QB? Dumb as shit thought process. Lets get another riley ridley instead of a player coach. Makes sense.

 

[Washington]

Pace also had to hit on his day 3 picks because he was so horrendous with his day 2 picks. I would not use Pace as any sort of drafting template.

In his first draft, Poles hit on Braxton in the 5th. Kramer has provided OL depth from the 6th.

In his 2nd draft, Roschon in the 4th is still on the roster as RB depth and Terrell Smith has been good at CB from the 5th.

In his 3rd draft, he took a punter and it's too early to say what they have in Booker.

And in this latest draft, it's obviously way too early to really say anything about any of them.

IMO, Poles is basically batting about average on day 3 picks of what should be reasonable expectations of a GM. He is generally drafting traits at that point and seeing if they can develop into anything. I think that is a valid approach. Part of the problem too is that because he picked the wrong initial HC and hence coaching staff, the development side has been stunted, imo.

It will be very interesting to see with the new coaching staff if they can develop guys better and get more out of all the picks, days 2 and 3 especially. I would hope so, but until it happens, that is going to be a big question mark.

Trust me when I say I was not a fan of Pace but I just used a few of his examples. It was not to compare Pace to Poles.

The point I was trying to make was in regard to throwing away a pick for a year rental when you are a shitty team. You actually showed players and reasons why using that draft pick would be better than in essence throwing it away. I would rather have the punter with that pick versus having nobody after the year of the 1 year rental.