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Plus, it seemed like they had never seen a stunt before.

How many times did Williams get hit because they couldn’t handle simple stunts?

This alone is reason for hope.....

In the 2024 season, Caleb Williams faced the most unblocked pressures (105) and unblocked sacks (13) in the NFL. Entering free agency, the Bears set out to repair an interior line that allowed the 6th-highest 1-on-1 pressure rate last season (10.1%) by adding LG Joe Thuney, C Drew Dalman, and RG Jonah Jackson.

Thuney’s versatility was on full display in 2024, as he was one of only two offensive linemen to play at least 200 snaps at both guard (850) and tackle (210). He allowed just a 4.4% pressure rate as a left guard last season, the 3rd-lowest rate among left guards (min. 200 pass blocks).

Dalman was left 1-on-1 on 45.4% of pass blocking snaps, the 2nd-highest rate among centers (min. 200 pass blocks). Of those such matchups, he allowed just a 4.0% pressure rate, 5th-lowest rate among that same group.

Before an injury-shortened 2024, Jackson had taken 1-on-1 matchups on 56.0% of his career pass blocks, the 3rd-highest rate among interior offensive linemen from 2020-2023. Jackson now reunites with his former offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson in Chicago.
 

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Kiran literally got a calf injury when he played. Don’t you think this has anything to do with borom playing?

He missed the entire off season and instead of putting on muscle he was working to get back to his previous 100% due to the surgery he had done. His previous 100% is not enough for the NFL, he needs time to get stronger and refine technique.

You understand for a young player to miss an entire off season of training is a big deal correct?
And despite all of that he still played better than Borom so what is your point?

Is your argument dont play the better healthier player in Week 8 because they missed training camp?
 

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Not sure if this was posted before, just ran across the chart in the tweet below. That is crazy how much the Eberflus and his staff put their OT on an island.

The chart has been posted in the past months, but I’m sure it’s buried and long lost in some random post season thread. It’s a good one to always bring back. That’s a big reason I expect the OL to look much better. Scheming is also important. An OC that can understand his teams abilities and put them in position to succeed is very important… further, at minimum, don’t put them in terrible positions to be successful.
 

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The second round trade with Buffalo could end up being a significant factor for the Bears moving forward. It was obvious from the 1920 Football Drive video that they had two definite targets in mind after selecting Burden, and those targets were Trapilo and Turner.

It was interesting watching them work their board and find a trade partner that could provide the picks they needed to secure both of them.

Here are the trade details via SI:

“Chicago traded the Nos. 41, 72, and 240th picks to Buffalo for the Nos. 56, 62, and 109th picks.

Translation? The Bears slid back 15 spots with their second second-round pick and moved up from their high-third-rounder to No. 62, which is the second-to-last second-round pick. The jump from 240 to 109 is massive as well.”


Roushar and Dennis Allen both seemed thrilled with those selections.

Also, it sure looked like Randel El was pumped after the Burden pick.
 
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Borom was on pace to set an NFL record for sacks given up. Why would you risk your rookie QB with him before seeing if someone else was better?

Kiran gave up 1 sack/QB hit in 61 pass block snaps. That works out to 3.6 sacks/QB hits over Borom's 219 snaps.

I dont know why you would chose the 7 sacks and 2 QB hits in 219 opportunities over the guy who projects to 3.6 sacks/QBs over those same 219 opportunities. That is basically saying you preferred Caleb getting hit 5.4 extra times.
‘On pace’

‘Works out to’

Seems like these 3 statements are all projections to me.
 

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‘On pace’

‘Works out to’

Seems like these 3 statements are all projections to me.
Correct and you claiming the Bears should have played Borom because he would have been the better choice is a projection.

So again I am saying the Bears likely felt Kiran was the better choice because they saw both of them practice and they knew the medicals and in their estimation Kiran was better.

I am then saying they appear to be correct because Borom got his QB hit twice as much and I dont think they care about PFF grades because they have their own grades.

So what data or insight are you relying on to project that Borom would have been better? Feels? Because you said so? PFF grades that are inferior to the Bears internal grades?
 

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Correct and you claiming the Bears should have played Borom because he would jave been the better choice is a projection.

So again I am saying the Bears likely felt Kiran was the better choice because they saw both of them practice and they knew the medicals and in their estimation Kiran was better.

I am then saying they appear to be correct because Borom got his QB hit twice as much and I dont think they care about PFF grades because they have their own grades.

So what data or insight are you relying on to project that Borom would have been better? Feels? Because you said so? PFF grades that are inferior to the Bears internal grades?
I’d rather go just 1 single point at a time.

You’ve said now multiple times you haven’t used projections or hypotheticals.

Did I not just cite you using a projection/hypothetical?
 

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I’d rather go just 1 single point at a time.

You’ve said now multiple times you haven’t used projections or hypotheticals.

Did I not just cite you using a projection/hypothetical?
I already explained this. I was referring to the data I used as not being hypothetical or a projection. It is not hypothetical or a projection to say Borom gave up 7 sacks and 2 QB hits in 219 pass rush opportunities while Kiran gave up 1 sack and 0 QB hits in 61 opps. The issue was how to get those two numbers on the same footing so instead of calculating a percentage of 9/219=4.2% and 1/61=1.64%, I took Kiran's 1.64% hit rate and multipled by 219 to project 3.59 hits in 219 opps.

So let's pause for a moment. Whether I simply use the percentages ie no projection or I use the projection, the point is Borom got his QB hit around 2.5 times more ie 4.2/1.64 or 9/3.59 both of which round to 2.5.

So what is your response to that?
 

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I already explained this. I was referring to the data I used as not being hypothetical or a projection. It is not hypothetical or a projection to say Borom gave up 7 sacks and 2 QB hits in 219 pass rush opportunities while Kiran gave up 1 sack and 0 QB hits in 61 opps. The issue was how to get those two numbers on the same footing so instead of calculating a percentage of 9/219=4.2% and 1/61=1.64%, I took Kiran's 1.64% hit rate and multipled by 219 to project 3.59 hits in 219 opps.

So let's pause for a moment. Whether I simply use the percentages ie no projection or I use the projection, the point is Borom got his QB hit around 2.5 times more ie 4.2/1.64 or 9/3.59 both of which round to 2.5.

So what is your response to that?

With regard to the exact statements you made that I had previously quoted in this thread - are able to admit those were projections?

Yes or no. 0 additional text is needed.
 

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