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I don't have the time right now to go through it but every single one of those pitches looked punishable.

Sometimes it's literally a game of inches (or a smaller unit of measurement even). If the batter is "lucky" (huh huh) enough to square up on it, it's a line drive and you're at the mercy of the gods and your defense. If he misses by even a fraction of an inch, it's a pop-up or a weak ground ball. Them's the breaks.
 

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I don't have the time right now to go through it but every single one of those pitches looked punishable.

Sometimes it's literally a game of inches (or a smaller unit of measurement even). If the batter is "lucky" (huh huh) enough to square up on it, it's a line drive and you're at the mercy of the gods and your defense. If he misses by even a fraction of an inch, it's a pop-up or a weak ground ball. Them's the breaks.

I just think it is an interesting approach to something that we've talked about quite a few times here.
 

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I've read a bunch of articles over the months about baseball teams attempting to set up Hitf/x and Fieldf/x to supplement Pitchf/x in order to not just track where a pitch goes in the zone but also where the batted ball goes and how it bounces before it ultimately gets into a fielder's glove. It's kind of hard to quantify what goes on inside a player's brain in the split-second he has (or less) to make that decision to swing, how hard to swing, where to try to direct the ball, etc.

Mostly it just feels like a way to make statnerds even nerdier but I imagine this data could be useful for evaluation purposes. Can never say "no" to more data, worst you have to do is just throw some of it out.
 

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Fieldf/x is definitely going to be the next big wave of statistical analysis since as we all agree defensive metrics suck. That said the reason I posted the article is because as we've talked about BABIP is both skill driven and random to an extent. This experiment is hardly conclusive, but it seems like an interesting try to actual look at how much skill or randomness is at play for pitchers, which stats seem to point to more random.
 

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Fieldf/x is definitely going to be the next big wave of statistical analysis since as we all agree defensive metrics suck. That said the reason I posted the article is because as we've talked about BABIP is both skill driven and random to an extent. This experiment is hardly conclusive, but it seems like an interesting try to actual look at how much skill or randomness is at play for pitchers, which stats seem to point to more random.

I think that since all those pitches look like they're in the same general area I would agree with randomness which is the basis for using FIP to evaluate pitchers over the long-term.

Sometimes you execute your pitch but the batter either knows it's coming or gets a good excuse-me swing down. I recall last year Samardzija made a pretty good splitter/changeup pitch to Albert Pujols and Pujols reached down and golfed it into orbit. Naturally you can argue that Samardzija sucks but that pitch wasn't terrible, Pujols was just good at baseball.
 

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I think that since all those pitches look like they're in the same general area I would agree with randomness which is the basis for using FIP to evaluate pitchers over the long-term.

Sometimes you execute your pitch but the batter either knows it's coming or gets a good excuse-me swing down. I recall last year Samardzija made a pretty good splitter/changeup pitch to Albert Pujols and Pujols reached down and golfed it into orbit. Naturally you can argue that Samardzija sucks but that pitch wasn't terrible, Pujols was just good at baseball.

Right but as you've pointed out there is limits to luck or randomness as well. There are times where the pitcher misses his spots and the ball gets crushed.
 

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Right but as you've pointed out there is limits to luck or randomness as well. There are times where the pitcher misses his spots and the ball gets crushed.

In Peavy's case in the gif-fest you shared I feel like if it wasn't Minnesota he would've been decimated. Every single one of those pitches looked like Rihanna (i.e. they were in the "hit me hard" zone).

Bad joke, I know...
 

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Did they post the answers yet?
 

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In Peavy's case in the gif-fest you shared I feel like if it wasn't Minnesota he would've been decimated. Every single one of those pitches looked like Rihanna (i.e. they were in the "hit me hard" zone).

Bad joke, I know...

:rolleyes:
 

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