OT: Carter to Cleveland

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Vince Carter for Ben Wallace and Sasha Palvovic. Seems like the same deal they had for Shaq but for Carter. Carter would be a much better fit for the Cavs than Shaq. I think the Nets would atleast want a pick as well.
 

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I thought it would have happened last year. Its a perfect fit, Vince can play second fiddle and launch long jumpers like he likes. Only on the cavs they won't be terrible shots because he is open. I see NJ is desperately trying to clear salary if they are trading Carter and Harris but who is gonna wanna play there with only lopez?
 

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TheStig wrote:
I thought it would have happened last year. Its a perfect fit, Vince can play second fiddle and launch long jumpers like he likes. Only on the cavs they won't be terrible shots because he is open. I see NJ is desperately trying to clear salary if they are trading Carter and Harris but who is gonna wanna play there with only lopez?


I truly don't believe the Harris rumor.
 

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Newskoolbulls wrote:
TheStig wrote:
I thought it would have happened last year. Its a perfect fit, Vince can play second fiddle and launch long jumpers like he likes. Only on the cavs they won't be terrible shots because he is open. I see NJ is desperately trying to clear salary if they are trading Carter and Harris but who is gonna wanna play there with only lopez?


I truly don't believe the Harris rumor.
I don;t either, but I am not sure why they are so desperate to clear salary. They already ahve max cap space in 2010 even with Carter and Harris and its not like anyone will come their anyway. Why trade a star for nothing when you can easily afford him and are a sf/pf away from making the playoffs.
 

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If Nets were going to do a deal it should probably be for the number one. Baron and Griffin for Harris, 11 pick and Hayes
 

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who from the starting lineup would sit if this were to happen. mo is an allstar (after multiple injuries to other allstars), but delonte is a better pg. but carter would really fill their void cause mo is a very very undersized sg. i think this would really help the cavs and they wouldnt be losing much. id like to see the line up involving west/mo/carter/lebron/varejow pick and roll with lebron, theyd be really hard to stop on the perimeter.
 

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Dpauley23 wrote:
If Nets were going to do a deal it should probably be for the number one. Baron and Griffin for Harris, 11 pick and Hayes

I would jump on that.
 

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ZombieKevie wrote:
who from the starting lineup would sit if this were to happen. mo is an allstar (after multiple injuries to other allstars), but delonte is a better pg. but carter would really fill their void cause mo is a very very undersized sg. i think this would really help the cavs and they wouldnt be losing much. id like to see the line up involving west/mo/carter/lebron/varejow pick and roll with lebron, theyd be really hard to stop on the perimeter.
Your kidding right? West would sit, Carter and Williams are allstars at their position and not a combo guard like West. West would be the first guard off the bench and still get minutes but he isn't as pure of a point as Williams and his defense isn't as necessary in the back court.
 

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TheStig wrote:
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who from the starting lineup would sit if this were to happen. mo is an allstar (after multiple injuries to other allstars), but delonte is a better pg. but carter would really fill their void cause mo is a very very undersized sg. i think this would really help the cavs and they wouldnt be losing much. id like to see the line up involving west/mo/carter/lebron/varejow pick and roll with lebron, theyd be really hard to stop on the perimeter.
Your kidding right? West would sit, Carter and Williams are allstars at their position and not a combo guard like West. West would be the first guard off the bench and still get minutes but he isn't as pure of a point as Williams and his defense isn't as necessary in the back court.

+1.
 

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Carter can be just as erratic as Mo or West at this point in his career. The question is does this address a need? I say no, they need more up front and this doesn't get it done. They could make this move, win just as many games next year, and still lose to Orlando, or even Boston in the playoffs.
 

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TheStig wrote:
ZombieKevie wrote:
who from the starting lineup would sit if this were to happen. mo is an allstar (after multiple injuries to other allstars), but delonte is a better pg. but carter would really fill their void cause mo is a very very undersized sg. i think this would really help the cavs and they wouldnt be losing much. id like to see the line up involving west/mo/carter/lebron/varejow pick and roll with lebron, theyd be really hard to stop on the perimeter.
Your kidding right? West would sit, Carter and Williams are allstars at their position and not a combo guard like West. West would be the first guard off the bench and still get minutes but he isn't as pure of a point as Williams and his defense isn't as necessary in the back court.

I actually agree with Zombie here. The absolute ***** fest that the Cavs had about Mo not being an All-Star was so weak. He's not an All-Star, that's why he wasn't selected. He had to be selected as a reserve after Nelson got injured. Mo's not even a point guard. He's a 2. Lebron runs that offense, not Mo. And yes, West is a better point guard than Mo. He's a combo guard, that's true, but he's a better ball handler & passer. Not a better scorer though, that's a given.

And his D is absolutely necessary in the backcourt because he's the best perimeter defender on their team, & arguably the best defender on the team (I don't feel Lebron is that good but I'm not gona get into that here). Weren't u watching the ECF when he shut down 6-10 Hedo for large stretches of the series? Mo & VC is a horrible defensive backcourt but it's a much better scoring one. I'd love to see Lebron move to the PF for stretches with Mo, West, VC, & Andy V.
 

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idk what more consistency you want from VC, he averages 21 ppg as really the first option and without a good passing PG, which even lebron could be. i think he's average 24 ppg and be an all star with cleveland.
 

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the only question cleveland must ask before trading for a player is:
can he defend dwight howard ?

if the answer is yes, then proceed forward.
otherwise, keep looking.

cause the way these 2 teams are built, the cavs will be knocked out in the ECF by the magic time after time after time.

another thing the cavs could do would be to get a coach who knows the definition of "adjustment".
 

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he only question cleveland must ask before trading for a player is:
can he defend dwight howard ?

if the answer is yes, then proceed forward.
otherwise, keep looking.

cause the way these 2 teams are built, the cavs will be knocked out in the ECF by the magic time after time after time.

My point exactly, but better said. Cavs need some frontcourt help.
 

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dunkside.com wrote:
the only question cleveland must ask before trading for a player is:
can he defend dwight howard ?

if the answer is yes, then proceed forward.
otherwise, keep looking.


cause the way these 2 teams are built, the cavs will be knocked out in the ECF by the magic time after time after time.

another thing the cavs could do would be to get a coach who knows the definition of "adjustment".
You realize your criteria has eliminated players like Bosh, Dwade, Melo, Amare, Kobe, Roy and so on. I don't think the cavs would pass up anyone in that group and shouldn't hesitate to add another true scoring option to go with Bron.
 

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Diddy1122 wrote:
TheStig wrote:
ZombieKevie wrote:
who from the starting lineup would sit if this were to happen. mo is an allstar (after multiple injuries to other allstars), but delonte is a better pg. but carter would really fill their void cause mo is a very very undersized sg. i think this would really help the cavs and they wouldnt be losing much. id like to see the line up involving west/mo/carter/lebron/varejow pick and roll with lebron, theyd be really hard to stop on the perimeter.
Your kidding right? West would sit, Carter and Williams are allstars at their position and not a combo guard like West. West would be the first guard off the bench and still get minutes but he isn't as pure of a point as Williams and his defense isn't as necessary in the back court.

I actually agree with Zombie here. The absolute ***** fest that the Cavs had about Mo not being an All-Star was so weak. He's not an All-Star, that's why he wasn't selected. He had to be selected as a reserve after Nelson got injured. Mo's not even a point guard. He's a 2. Lebron runs that offense, not Mo. And yes, West is a better point guard than Mo. He's a combo guard, that's true, but he's a better ball handler & passer. Not a better scorer though, that's a given.

And his D is absolutely necessary in the backcourt because he's the best perimeter defender on their team, & arguably the best defender on the team (I don't feel Lebron is that good but I'm not gona get into that here). Weren't u watching the ECF when he shut down 6-10 Hedo for large stretches of the series? Mo & VC is a horrible defensive backcourt but it's a much better scoring one. I'd love to see Lebron move to the PF for stretches with Mo, West, VC, & Andy V.
Your really overvaluing a guy who doesn't even make the MLE. Your logic is also flawed as West has proven through most of his career he isn't a top 20 starting pg in the league and is more of the duhon type. If anything his one yr playing off the ball this year has been his best and showed that he is much more of a combo guard then Mo. And just because Mo is more of a scoring pg doesn't make him a sg. Is Tony Parker a SG? Mo has only played pg and is a pg despite your best efforts to make him otherwise. Also I don't know what games you are watching but Mo does most of the ball handling for the cavs and Lebron only plays point forward in the 4th. Which leads me to my last point, even if a pg plays with a forward like bron, pippen or hill, does that make them less of a PG. Kobe brings the ball up to in the 4th, is fisher a sg now too?
 

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