OT | This is our fooking city - Congrats Boston

[X]

Well deserved championship. Congrats to them, congrats to the city.

 

[CSF77]

That win is going to make GM's value blue collar nose grinding players more.

KB would hate it because they all had great chemistry and even all grew beards. Have to say it got to love a team like that. F'kn Gomes and and few other had some goofy looking griz going on.

 

[beckdawg]

To me it's really more of a positive sign since a lot of their core were players theo brought in. He'll probably not get much credit for this win but I really feel he deserves it.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

**** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sent from Cuba

 

[Flacco4Prez]

None of the guys Boston got from LA last year had any impact on the team. Happy Dempster got a ring although I'm a little bitter about how things ended with him

 

[Boobaby1]

None of the guys Boston got from LA last year had any impact on the team. Happy Dempster got a ring although I'm a little bitter about how things ended with him

It was meant to be. It took timely hitting, good pitching, and some luck to win it all.

The Red Sox beat the Cardinals best pitchers and went 3-1 against Wainright and Wacha, just as the Cardinals beat the Dodgers best and went 2-1-1 against Kershaw and Grienke.

When your best two pitchers don't net wins for the team, it's very hard to win anything as well evidenced.

 

[SilenceS]

It's cool. If the cubs win with Baez,,castro, Castillo,lake, alcantara. I'm sure jim hendry will get a lot of the credit as well. Right?

 

[beckdawg]

It's cool. If the cubs win with Baez,,castro, Castillo,lake, alcantara. I'm sure jim hendry will get a lot of the credit as well. Right?

No. But, I would give him credit for finally selecting decent players if those players all pan out. The difference between Theo in Boston and Hendry here should be obvious. Lester, Elsbury ... et al were already proven a proven major league team. On the contrary, you're talking about guys who are likely to arrive in the majors 4-5 years after Hendry left. Even when the sox collapsed in 2011 they were still a 90 win team. People seem to forget that. I mean come on man it's not even remotely the same situation that Hendry left the cubs in. Whether or not that is his fault is irrelevant. What the cubs had when Hendry was fired was a 70 win team.

 

[SilenceS]

No. But, I would give him credit for finally selecting decent players if those players all pan out. The difference between Theo in Boston and Hendry here should be obvious. Lester, Elsbury ... et al were already proven a proven major league team. On the contrary, you're talking about guys who are likely to arrive in the majors 4-5 years after Hendry left. Even when the sox collapsed in 2011 they were still a 90 win team. People seem to forget that. I mean come on man it's not even remotely the same situation that Hendry left the cubs in. Whether or not that is his fault is irrelevant. What the cubs had when Hendry was fired was a 70 win team.

Then dan duquette gets credit for theos first World Series?

 

[SilenceS]

And theo left a mess that Boston was able to clean up. If you can give theo credit then you can give hendry credit. It's no difference just a name

 

[beckdawg]

Then dan duquette gets credit for theos first World Series?

Some yes.

And theo left a mess that Boston was able to clean up. If you can give theo credit then you can give hendry credit. It's no difference just a name

A 90 win mess.... god that must have been terrible.

 

[SilenceS]

He didn't leave a clubhouse with no discipline and a seperated clubhouse? They crumbled under him because of management. If you give theo credit there then you give hendry credit if it happens with his players. If you don't then neither get credit. I don't care what side you choose. I am just saying it has to go both ways.

 

[beckdawg]

My point is simple, Hendry left the cubs with a 70 win team. Theo left the Red Sox with at team that won 90 games. I believe had they not fired Francona, who by the way had a hell of a year in cleveland, and had they not gotten rid of Theo they would have been in playoff contention in 2012. I think the problem was Valentine and that they overreacted to an epic collapse because it was boston. So, even if there was a "mess" in the club house, which I'd argue was over blown by the media, they still had talent. The new front office didn't have to go out and bring in a guy like Elsbury. They had to replace some complimentary parts like victorino and Gomes.

As for the prospects, It's hard for me to lavish praise on Hendry for Baez. Baez was a top 10 pick. When you draft someone in the top 10 you expect this sort of player. And even if him and the rest of the prospects Hendry was involved in become what we all hope, you could make the argument that the new front office has had an impact on their development. I remember reading fairly recently that Alcantara in particular has changed his approach which has yielded more walks and helped his OBP.

If Baez becomes a 6.5+ WAR player over say 7-8 years maybe I'll reconsider. By that I mean someone you talk about as a top 5 player in all of baseball. If you draft a guy in the top 10 you expect an all star type. But, if he's that good, then yeah I might reconsider the impact Hendry had on a potential title. But until then, Hendry left the cubs with Castro and Shark as really their only two young major league talents that might be around for a title and after the past 2 years a lot of the shine has come off Castro.

The reason I'm willing to give Theo some of the credit for boston's title is he bought in probably 70-80% of the best players on that roster and they were already MLB talent not guys 3-5 years away from the majors. If boston wins another title in 2-3 years I'd say Theo had less(if any) impact on that and since that is hopefully the cubs timeline I don't see much reason to give Hendry credit unless like I said one of the players he drafted turns into a HoF type player.