OT:Tim Lincecum resigns with the Giants for 2 years 35 million

[dabynsky]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9864620/tim-lincecum-agrees-two-year-contract-san-francisco-giants

So yeah, Lincecum got 17.5 million per year for two years. Another option off the board in a weak market for pitching and at a high price. Does not bode well for picking up bounceback candidates this offseason.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Cubs weren't trying to get him anyway. They're atleast two years away from big time signings according to Epstein, which I find ludacris. Waiting on minor leaguers to pan out for a big market team that hasn't won jack in 105 years is pathetic.

 

[dabynsky]

Cubs weren't trying to get him anyway.

But he does effect the market due to both availability of arms and setting market value, especially for rebound candidates which is something the Cubs have focused on.

 

[TL1961]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9864620/tim-lincecum-agrees-two-year-contract-san-francisco-giants

So yeah, Lincecum got 17.5 million per year for two years. Another option off the board in a weak market for pitching and at a high price. Does not bode well for picking up bounceback candidates this offseason.

He got 35 million????

I thought they'd let him go, and I though he'd sign for half of that.

 

[X]

Tanaka's fees just doubled, imo.

 

[Boobaby1]

Tanaka's fees just doubled, imo.

The Cubs are going to have to play hardball sometime. If it's what they want, then they need to go out and get it.

 

[Boobaby1]

He got 35 million????

I thought they'd let him go, and I though he'd sign for half of that.

That may have eliminated them from pursuing Tanaka.

 

[CSF77]

He is still a 2x cy young winner. Tanaka is still an unknown. I don't believe it effects his market.

Baker is not going to be effected until he can prove he can push 200 IP again. I can't see any team offering more than a 1 with incentive bonuses.

It will effect Johnson. He is in the same boat and was considered at one time Ace quality. His value went up as did Jiminez. Indians will have to pony up to retain.

Right now the Cubs need 1 starter. They should be smart and retain Baker at this point or go after Scott Kazmir if they are going to act like penny pinches or step up to the plate and get serious about Tanaka and play to win.

 

[CSF77]

Reactions To The Lincecum Deal
By Zach Links [October 22, 2013 at 8:43pm CST]
The Giants didn't want to risk losing Tim Lincecum in free agency and tonight, they gave the 29-year-old a lucrative two-year, $35MM deal. The deal isn't just a financial windfall for The Freak, it could mean higher paydays for several of this winter's top free agent starters. Here's a look at some of the reactions to the agreement..

The two-year, $35MM deal could really boost the total price tag for Japanese standout Masahiro Tanaka, tweets Ben Badler of Baseball America. Tanaka is considered by some to be the best available starter on the open market this offseason.
The deal is also good news for Ubaldo Jimenez, notes MLBTR's Tim Dierkes (via Twitter). Jimenez is another free agent pitcher who reached great heights and had his fair share of struggles but managed to rebound in his walk year. The right-hander posted a 3.30 ERA with 9.6 K/9 and 3.9 BB/9 in 182 2/3 innings for Cleveland this year.
If you're going by the advanced numbers, it's possible that bad luck contributed a full run to Lincecum's ERA over the last two seasons, writes Rob Neyer of SBNation. If that's the case, then the 29-year-old could be worth the two-year, $35MM price tag. While Neyer is a big believer in sabermetrics, he's less than confident that this deal will work out for GM Brian Sabean.
Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle (Sulia link) isn't exaclty sure how to feel about the deal, but he has a reality check for fans who have panned the deal as an overpayment. San Francisco's rotation would have been in rough shape sans Lincecum and beyond that, teams are flush with cash this winter thanks to increased TV revenues.
Lincecum's 4.76 ERA and drop in fastball velocity from 92.2 to 90.2 mph makes the deal a head-scratcher in the view of ESPN.com's Buster Olney (via Twitter).

 

[beckdawg]

I've been high on Dan Haren for while and wont express why but I did see this which was put out before Timmy signed this deal. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dan-haren-tim-lincecum-and-perception-gaps/

 

[patg006]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9864620/tim-lincecum-agrees-two-year-contract-san-francisco-giants

So yeah, Lincecum got 17.5 million per year for two years. Another option off the board in a weak market for pitching and at a high price. Does not bode well for picking up bounceback candidates this offseason.

You could well be right, but I see the giants as such. No more Zito, you got Bumgarner and Vogelsong coming off injury. If you want to stay competitive, you had to resign Timmy and not give him a chance to leave, and the market for a 29 year old Cy Young winner will be booming.

Boo hits the nail on the head. The cubs have to get serious and in the fight if this Tanaka kid is someone they covet. Other teams do want him.

And Beck, Dan Haren? The same Dan Haren that was a cub but the boy blunder blew his load too early by not informing Marmol or his agent, causing another media debacle like Dempster? That Dan Haren? He probably just got a little more expensive too.

Until we see different, I expect penny pinching and dumpster diving.....

Hello........Bartolo Colon.......

 

[waldo7239117]

That's a lot of money for a pitcher that has been pitching out of the 'pen at times, especially in the postseason.

 

[Jntg4]

Cue the raging complaints about how Theo missed out on him after he has a good start next year, completely ignoring the fact that it would have been impossible for us to sign him before the free agency period starts.

 

[CSF77]

Cue the raging complaints about how Theo missed out on him after he has a good start next year, completely ignoring the fact that it would have been impossible for us to sign him before the free agency period starts.

Not even. They over paid. Cubs should be looking at starters in the 8-10 mil range outside of Tanaka. That signing affected signing Johnson and Jiminez the most because both of them have been top of the rotation and fell to earth. Both are in the same range. So At min either one could demand 2 at 35 mil.

Now Baker has not proved that he has bounced back from T.J. and missed 90% of last year. His market is what it is. If he got what he got lats year with some performance perks it would a fair deal. If he was looking at more of a base or years I would say pass. He may never be the same pitcher again.

Kazimer IMO would be a good guy to pick up. Gives a 2nd LH but runs a higher SO% than Wood. Different style than Wood so even if they went back to back their styles would offset each other.

I still believe they should go all out on Tanaka but I'm figuring they are not going to bid what is needed. I'm predicting it will take 50 mil to win the bid and I can not see them beating the Yanks here.

 

[theberserkfury]

The same Dan Haren that was a cub but the boy blunder blew his load too early by not informing Marmol or his agent, causing another media debacle like Dempster?

Got a source for that?

 

[beckdawg]

And Beck, Dan Haren? The same Dan Haren that was a cub but the boy blunder blew his load too early by not informing Marmol or his agent, causing another media debacle like Dempster? That Dan Haren? He probably just got a little more expensive too.

How's any of that relevant? As for being more expensive, hard to say. The giants seem to be into over paying pending FA as they did the same thing with Pence. I really don't see a ton of teams falling over themselves to sign Haren. However, I think he fits the mold of what the cubs have done with Maholm and Feldman in that his FIP is a lot better than his ERA. And in the case of the cubs, what do they have to lose? He's not going to sign a 4 year deal. So, if he's under say $11 mil/year you can trot him out there til july and if he plays well you now have arguably one of the top pitchers on the market at the deadline.

 

[dabynsky]

Interesting article from Dave Cameron that suggests that the price on rebound candidates that the Cubs have targetted the past couple of offseasons is indeed going up dramatically. Dan Haren is mentioned a few times and suggesting that the cost for Haren is likely to be a lot higher than expected.

 

[daddies3angels]

Teams will be increasing payroll this offseason cause teams are getting 25+ mil for National TV Revenues. So while Big Market Cubs are trying to cut payroll other Big, Medium and Small market teams are increasing payroll. Go figure

 

[CSF77]

Teams will be increasing payroll this offseason cause teams are getting 25+ mil for National TV Revenues. So while Big Market Cubs are trying to cut payroll other Big, Medium and Small market teams are increasing payroll. Go figure

If anything that cash will make the Tanaka bid interesting. With the Cubs history they will use it over 3-4 players.

 

[daddies3angels]

If anything that cash will make the Tanaka bid interesting. With the Cubs history they will use it over 3-4 players.

3-4 playes that are not difference makers. Just MLB fillers which Cubs already have 23 of