10veitout
Quack quack 🦆
- Joined:
- Mar 11, 2013
- Posts:
- 4,744
- Liked Posts:
- 345
The iggles fired Reid too.
The iggles fired Reid too.
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 59,794
- Liked Posts:
- 38,414
That is like saying Jay Cutler and Brett Favre are similar players but Favre is more successful.
Umm being more successful is a huge difference.
msadows
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 23, 2012
- Posts:
- 24,685
- Liked Posts:
- 20,002
Yea, after 14 years. lol
msadows
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 23, 2012
- Posts:
- 24,685
- Liked Posts:
- 20,002
Sure it is, until it's not.
Pederson was basically east coast nagy this year. The only difference is the eagles were smart enough to realize change was necessary.
It doesn't matter what he did in the past, only what he's doing for you now. Sure that superbowl is beautiful, but is that helping you win in the future? Or is he doing the same shit nagy is here and stunting the growth of his young guys as well?
Pegger
President Stoopid
- Joined:
- Sep 18, 2012
- Posts:
- 7,621
- Liked Posts:
- 5,493
- Location:
- Communist Canada
I don't think it factored too much into it. The reason why Laurie likes Howie Roseman so much is that he's always looking to improve areas and bring in great people. The Eagles front office is highly regarded and it's largely because Roseman is constantly bringing in new blood. Doug is sort of the opposite where he's believes in his players and coaches. If there's an opening, he thinks of promoting internally.
That was the main issue. Laurie wanted Doug's thoughts on how they can get better at the OC and DC position and Doug wanted to promote internal guys who honestly don't have the best reputation (Press Taylor was regarded as Carson's 'buddy' and when he was in a tail spin only wanted his buddy reaffirming him).
I also see Doug's side. He won a Superbowl and wants autonomy over hiring his coaches. That can work, but you have to be on the same page with management/ownership. In this case they were not.
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 59,794
- Liked Posts:
- 38,414
Not really. The issue wasn't that Pederson needed to change his scheme. The issue is Wentz sucked and Pederson stuck with him too long.
Also the adjusting scheme thing is exaggerated. The problem with the Bears was that adjusting the scheme to fit 4M meant abandoning the scheme altogether. No coach really does that. If Shanny or McVay somehow ended up with a QB best suited for the Reid scheme, they aren't going to just adopt the Reid scheme on the fly.
4M was supposed to be tailor made for the Reid scheme because it is similar to what Fedora ran at UNC. That is why Pace gave Nagy the job. The problem is his strengths in college did not translate to the NFL and you had to come up with a brand new offense and that offense was quickly figured out by good teams. The Saints and Pack essentially shut down the bootleg and play action shit because 4M's strengths were limited.
Coaches don't just come up with new schemes on the fly. They almost always find players that fit their schemes. You guys are the same ones saying how Howard didn't fit the scheme and now acting like trying to change an entire offense because your QB is so limited is something you see happen all around the league.
Nagy should be fired but not because he could not adjust an entire offense to make it work for a football dummy. He should be fired for not moving on from 4M sooner, not pushing for changes to the OL, terrible team disciple, terrible game management and picking a shitty guy to replace 4M in Foles.
msadows
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 23, 2012
- Posts:
- 24,685
- Liked Posts:
- 20,002
Sure they do. Example A: The Baltimore Ravens.
It's not changing up the scheme as much as changing up playcalls to adjust to talent.
Thats what neither has done this year. Thats why both should be gone.
Every playcall in nagys and pedersons playbook isn't rpo spread garbage.
Pegger
President Stoopid
- Joined:
- Sep 18, 2012
- Posts:
- 7,621
- Liked Posts:
- 5,493
- Location:
- Communist Canada
All coaches get fired. Even ones that retire do so with the writing on the wall.
Reid had a long, great run, but he even admitted things got stale. If you recall his son, Garrett Reid, passed away in the Eagles facility from a drug overdose in 2012. Andy didn't miss a beat and kept coaching, but you could tell he was tired. It was almost like he was coaching just to keep moving forward. The team ultimately missed the playoffs in back to back years, so as much as the team rallied around him, they weren't that good. I'd add his 'firing' was treated like a celebration. The owner held a press conference just thanking Andy for all he's done. It was probably the classiest thing the team has ever done.
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 59,794
- Liked Posts:
- 38,414
This is incorrect. Roman was the OC for the Niners so he was well versed in dealing with a running QB. The Ravens are a well run org and knew they had a guy on staff that could develop an offense for him. So while Morningwig was the OC, Roman was working on the new offense for Jackson using concepts he already knew from working with Kap. He succeeded Morningwig in 2019 which his O designed specifically for Jackson.
Harbaugh is not an offensive minded HC. He isn't married to a specific O system like McVay, Shanny, or Nagy. That is the risk of hiring a so called O-genius. They come with a very specific scheme in mind.
We're running essentially a brand new scheme on offense
I'm seeing way too many idiots on here talking about how mitch is "holding nagy back" as far as the playbook. This is an offense that mitch, and a lot of his teammates, have never ran. This is a new scheme. It's more similar to what Sean McVay and Kyle Shannahan are running now than what KC/PHI...
www.chicitysports.com
You flip flop too much dude. You flat out said at the start of the year it was a whole new scheme and this was before all the bootleg and play action shit was added when he returned to the lineup. Yes some of the plays may have been in the playbook but when Lazor took over he really developed a whole new scheme built around bootleg and play action. That scheme ultimately couldn't survive against good teams because it cuts the field in half and makes it easier for the D to defend especially if they have 4 or 5 weeks of tape. The new scheme was always going to have a limited shelf life because it was too simplistic and dumb for good teams not to be able to adjust.
Last edited:
- Joined:
- Aug 20, 2012
- Posts:
- 33,596
- Liked Posts:
- 25,747
- Location:
- Any-Town, USA
My favorite teams
Pederson won a super bowl for a starving franchise and gets ousted, while nagy is still here clowning it up.
- Joined:
- Nov 29, 2014
- Posts:
- 16,419
- Liked Posts:
- 16,803
- Location:
- Texas
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2012
- Posts:
- 9,705
- Liked Posts:
- 14,251
My favorite teams
I'd take Pederson over Nagy right now
circusboy666
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Nov 10, 2013
- Posts:
- 1,076
- Liked Posts:
- 685
Whoever they get has to love Wentz. Otherwise you trade him and start in cap hell. No coach wants to handicap themselves like that.
Bears4Ever_34
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 24, 2012
- Posts:
- 13,732
- Liked Posts:
- 10,274
It's an interesting question. I think Nagy definitely gets another HC job, but he may be one of those guys that needs to sit out a year. Pederson winning a SB semi-recently I think makes him more attractive to other teams despite how things ended in Philly.
Toast88
Well-known member
- Joined:
- May 10, 2014
- Posts:
- 13,274
- Liked Posts:
- 13,033
I agree completely. I'd only add that, guys, there's a difference between how we view Nagy and how people in other parts of the country view Nagy.
In other places, Nagy is thought of quite highly. They think, "Wow, this guy took a shitty Chicago team with a bad quarterback and immediately turned them into a multi-year playoff team."
- Joined:
- Aug 10, 2013
- Posts:
- 36,439
- Liked Posts:
- 33,391
- Location:
- Cumming
Doug Pederson picked the wrong fight and got fired
After four years of saying yes to Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, Doug Pederson finally said no. It helped get him fired.
www.inquirer.com
Fired because of internal power struggle over the future OC
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 59,794
- Liked Posts:
- 38,414
I am with Pederson on this. If he cant hire his assistants then no point being head coach. He will get another gig soon.
- Joined:
- Jul 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 14,948
- Liked Posts:
- 6,826
- Location:
- In the stratosphere
My favorite teams
Not in 2021......
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 59,794
- Liked Posts:
- 38,414
Rumored Jets are interested but he can take his time as Eagles will be paying him for 2021 and 2022.
- Joined:
- Jul 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 14,948
- Liked Posts:
- 6,826
- Location:
- In the stratosphere
My favorite teams
Funny because he is basically the offensive coordinator as well.Doug Pederson picked the wrong fight and got fired
After four years of saying yes to Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, Doug Pederson finally said no. It helped get him fired.
Fired because of internal power struggle over the future OC
Members online NOW
- Member
- Admin
- Mod
- Donor
- HOF
- Antobears
- bamainatlanta
- BearClaw55
- Bearister
- Black Rainbow
- Bolek
- Bonferroni Correction
- BradyJay
- bufordht
- Butkus34
- CalebsFingerNails
- Canth
- didshereallysaythat
- Dumpster Fire
- EDPeezy
- Forty-six
- GoDJtop10
- greg23
- HearshotKDS
- hojkin
- IBleedBearsBlood
- Iwritecode
- JBSurfer
- jc456
- JTaylor072
- KittiesKorner
- Kurtosis
- MikeDitkaPolishSausage
- modo
- monkforasia
- msadows
- Myk
- Payton34Sayers40
- Pez68
- PhilEBuster
- PKOVACS8997
- remydat
- Rgrigutis
- RiDLer80
- ruprecht
- Scobear
- SlickWilly
- Spitta Andretti
- SugarWalls
- tcmtrinity
- thenewguy
- Username
- WestsideResider
- Yogi
Staff online NOW
-
bamainatlantaYou wake him up, you keep him up