Postgame: Bulls lose to Pacers in a close call.

[cool007]

Bulls had this game but found a way to lose it at the end.

Hinrich make your free throws and Bulls don't lose the momentum.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

depressing night. Had we lost no ground we would have been fine but Bobcats winning hurts. Its funny because i was cheering for the Bobcats all year long because I feel so bad for what Larry Brown has been through the past few years but now ******* him and the bobcats 2 :laugh: .


Bulls need to fix their D and need to fix it fast or we will be headed to the 13 pick in the draft.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Also props to Tim Thomas on a solid game, he has really matured since his first time here.

 

[Gene]

Tim has always been a nice player, we just had a ****** bag head coach. Well, at least we played defense back then though...

 

[cool007]

Cool's keys to the loss:

BG picked the wrong game to have a bad shooting with Salmons out.

Not having Salmons/Deng really hurt

Bulls not putting the foot in the throat to kill - lost this game.

and yeah, Hinrich's missed free throws lost all the momentum Bulls had.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Gene wrote:

Tim has always been a nice player, we just had a ****** bag head coach. Well, at least we played defense back then though...

whoa whoa whoa I will not tolerate the bashing of Mr. Skiles. Scott was right. Tim came to camp out of shape and mouthing off that he was better than Noc and Luol and should have started.

 

[Dpauley23]

Maybe im just being bias here, but it seemed like the refs were doing horrible job at making calls

 

[cool007]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Maybe im just being bias here, but it seemed like the refs were doing horrible job at making calls

Bulls fans are just used to it now. The refs always mess it up in our favor. Hinrich/Gordon/Rose all were fouled so many times but they just didn't blew the whistle. It was so ridiculous and our dumb shit coach just sits there and watch. He needs to protect his players and be in refs ears, eventually we would get the calls but our coach just doesn't get it.

Even long time big time coaches like Phil Jackson/Sloan/Poppovich etc go out there and be in refs ears but our coach just sucks.

Hinrich with another choke job by missing free throws which would have put us at 7pt lead instead it was 5 and they cut it 3 and then we lost the game.

 

[Dpauley23]

That was with like 3 minutes left. I wouldn't call it a choke job

 

[cool007]

Dpauley23 wrote:

That was with like 3 minutes left. I wouldn't call it a choke job

That would have put us 7 points ahead instead of 5 with 3 minutes to go and since then they scored 5 straight to tie it up.

Lost all the momentum.

 

[Dpauley23]

I hardly doubt that

 

[dougthonus]

I'd love to see how many games we've won when we were within 1 point at some occasion within 2 minutes to go and how many we've lost. It feels like we've lost a lot, but maybe not.

 

[NOELAD82]

Jeez this sucks! That last play where BG had to force a bad shot was not cool at all. seriously VDN cant draw up a better final shot play than that? Of course we want to make the playoffs but we should also be aiming for .500 making the playoffs below .500 to me would lessen the impact psyhcological signifigance. But now we have to win 5 of 6 to do that.

 

[cool007]

dougthonus wrote:

I'd love to see how many games we've won when we were within 1 point at some occasion within 2 minutes to go and how many we've lost. It feels like we've lost a lot, but maybe not.

There were atleast 12-15 games where we had a lead in the final minute and we either lost it at the end of the regulation or in lost the game in OT.

If we had won like 30% of those (4 games), we would have been in the 5th seed right now and probably trying to go to the 4th seed.

If we had a descent coach, who can draw better plays out of time-outs and tries something creative, we would have won atleast 40% of these games (5 more games) and we were talking about "4th seed can be had" talks instead of playoff bubble 8th seed.

 

[Ralphb07]

We lose too many close games. Too many mistakes and what sucked last night and you can't blame Brad because how could he know but Tyrus had that ball and would of beat the clock IMO.

What I hate is people blaming Vinny. Vinny didn't miss the two foul shots @ the end being a 80+% foul shooter. He didn't turn the ball over 3 times in a row but somehow he gets blame.

What I didn't like what he did was not give the ball to Rose with 3.9 seconds to go. Rose was much better than Gordon 5-18 he shot and should of just let Rose take it to the rim, Indy has no defense and that would of been the smartest play

Also Rose is a rookie but he needs to realize with under 3 to play he must take over. He is the star player and needs to demand the ball and the last shots. I would run and pick and roll or pick and pop with Rose and Miller at the end of games every time down the floor

 

[cool007]

Ralphb07 wrote:

We lose too many close games. Too many mistakes and what sucked last night and you can't blame Brad because how could he know but Tyrus had that ball and would of beat the clock IMO.

What I hate is people blaming Vinny. Vinny didn't miss the two foul shots @ the end being a 80+% foul shooter. He didn't turn the ball over 3 times in a row but somehow he gets blame.

What I didn't like what he did was not give the ball to Rose with 3.9 seconds to go. Rose was much better than Gordon 5-18 he shot and should of just let Rose take it to the rim, Indy has no defense and that would of been the smartest play

Also Rose is a rookie but he needs to realize with under 3 to play he must take over. He is the star player and needs to demand the ball and the last shots. I would run and pick and roll or pick and pop with Rose and Miller at the end of games every time down the floor

No, we are not JUST blaming Vinny for the loss, we win by a team, lose by a team but Vinny is supposed to be the leader of this team and his end of game calling is just pathetic. Do you ever feel comfortable out of time-outs thinking that we might get something done or even a good shot??? We felt really comfortable out of timeouts when Skiles was here but with Vinny - not even 1.7%.

Hinrich missing those 2 key free throws actually killed the momentum and Indiana gained it as they scored 7 straight to win the game.

Regarding Rose, Didn't he take over the game for pretty much all game long??? We pretty much ran the same exact play for like almost all of 4th qtr, and then final 3 minutes Indy finally realized that we were running pick and roll with Rose and Rose was killing them. So they started trapping him with the screener and left Brad open. Brad was indecisive about shooting/driving/passing and he gave it to Tyrus with clock running out. BIG MISTAKE.

Rose can't take over unless others step up as well in crucial time (at the end of the game). If Brad had hit the shot, it would make Rose's job a little easier but Brad is just too damn slow.

Eventually Rose will learn to be better on when to pass, when to force things, when to make something out of nothing, etc.

I am already pretty psyched on how good he already is as a 20 year old Rookie PG. just give him couple of more years and I have no doubt, he will carry this team to success and be a superstar in this league. He is that good.

This is why I want Paxson to bring in that buddying star (inside player) like Bosh/Amare and Rose's career will blossom like Wade's career. I have NO DOUBT in my mind.

 

[Medianotzu]

I didn't get to see the game, but how did Tyrus manage to get ONE rebound in almost 37 minutes of play? It boggles the mind . . .

 

[mlewinth]

There is absolutly no excuse for this loss. I spoke with someone yesterday who said, "well we didn't have Salmons". Boo friggity hoo! We lost to the Pacers a month ago when they didn't have Granger!

I will take the Toronto loss since it was the second of a back to back, but I will not take us loosing back to back games to sub .500 teams.

Typical Chicago Bulls, for every two steps forward, they take two steps back! Apparently, opposits don't attract!

 

[dougthonus]

There were atleast 12-15 games where we had a lead in the final minute and we either lost it at the end of the regulation or in lost the game in OT.

If we had won like 30% of those (4 games), we would have been in the 5th seed right now and probably trying to go to the 4th seed.

If we had a descent coach, who can draw better plays out of time-outs and tries something creative, we would have won atleast 40% of these games (5 more games) and we were talking about "4th seed can be had" talks instead of playoff bubble 8th seed.

I'm not sure about that really, I'm not saying you're wrong, but we've also won a lot of come from behind games too, so the overall numbers may not be as bad as you'd think.

I think this team is not comfortable playing with the lead though. We often run into problems when we are playing with the lead. We seem better when we need to make desperate runs from behind.

That seems like it's likely to be an issue with a lot of teams though. When you have nothing to lose sometimes it's easier.

 

[dougthonus]

mlewinth wrote:

There is absolutly no excuse for this loss. I spoke with someone yesterday who said, "well we didn't have Salmons". Boo friggity hoo! We lost to the Pacers a month ago when they didn't have Granger!

I will take the Toronto loss since it was the second of a back to back, but I will not take us loosing back to back games to sub .500 teams.

Typical Chicago Bulls, for every two steps forward, they take two steps back! Apparently, opposits don't attract!

The Bulls are also a sub .500 team and a terrible road team. Look at our home/road splits.

Whether you "take it" or not is sort of irrelevant, because it fits the pattern of what we've done all season long. Win at home, lose on the road.