Potential 2015 lineup

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As the end of the season draws near I am going to attempt to do an annual potential lineup for the 2015 Cubs, the year I think we get to see a complete Theo team in place.

I did it as a guest post on the Bullpen Brian web site, who you guys should check out, pretty good analysis.

http://bullpenbrian.com/2012/09/08/cubs-lineup-2015-chicago-cubs-blog/

As the first year of the Epstein era draws to a close it’s time to evaluate the organization from top to bottom.

I won’t go that in-depth in this post, leaving the pitching prospects for a later post, but I have projected out what the current crop of minor league products could produce as far as the Cubs’ everyday lineup by 2015, focusing on the position players at hand.

This assumes, however, there won’t be any trades, which obviously is a long shot, but I am forced to work with what we have and not what we will have.

So around the diamond we go…

FIRST BASE

In less than a full season Anthony Rizzo has already show strong plate discipline and the ability to be a yearly .300 hitter, 30 HR’s and 100 RBI machine, plus an above average fielder–always a plus. Cleary, a lock for the foreseeable future.

SECOND BASE

I doubt Darwin Barney is a Cub come 2015, and I say that because of Junior Lake, who I believe is likely to replace Barney in the next year or two.

While Lake’s not the fielder Barney has become, he shows more upside offensively. He is, however, currently playing SS in the minors, but it makes sense to move him to second base with Castro and Baez appearing better prospects at the position. Lake’s arm also shows the potential to be moved to a corner outfield spot.

THIRD AND SHORT

There’s a logjam of prospects at both positions.

Castro, for the time being, remains the man at short with Javier Baez serving as the Cubs’ No. 1 prospect behind him. Not a bad problem to have at one of the most important defensive positions.

However, I see Baez or Castro being moved to third base, barring one of them being traded, and Josh Vitters serving as potential trade bait.

Vitters could eventually become a decent hitter and a serviceable fielder once he adjusts better to the major league game. But there’s also an outside chance his below-average fielding forces a position change to the outfield, which we can only hope raises his appeal on the trade market.

CATCHER

The Cubs are lacking in the catching department behind Welington Castillo and Steve Clevenger. It’s an area of need the Cubs likely improve upon through the amateur draft or minor trades.

CENTER FIELD

Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be the answer. Jackson reminds me of a faster version of Jim Edmonds in the field, and a similar version to Edmonds at the dish–league average hitter, above average power and a good on-base percentage.

Matt Szczur also shows solid speed and a knack for getting on base. His walk and strikeout ratio is ideal for a leadoff hitter, a spot the Cubs have long been in need of filling.

So with the power coming up at other positions, I prefer the Cubs develop Jackson as trade material for pitching prospects and open the door for Szczur to play centerfield.

CORNER OUT FIELD

Albert Almora and Jorge Soler appear on the fast track to being called-up to the big club in 2014, or sooner, if they develop as quickly as planned.

Both guys show good bat speed and the potential to develop big league power. Soler has quickly been dubbed “Soler Power” in just the few short months he’s been in the Cubs’ system.

Soler is projected to exhibit the most power in the Cubs’ farm system and is likely to become the cleanup hitter in the lineup behind Rizzo.

Almora is the youngest, but more polished, of the prospects and could also potentially be the center fielder pending the development or trade of either Jackson or Szczur.

Almora currently stands as the No.2 prospect behind Baez and could move up very quickly to the major leagues if he continues to dominate minor league pitching the way he has this summer.

This gives us a look at the Cubs’ potential 2015 lineup:

Szczur
Castro
Rizzo
Soler
Almora
Baez
Lake
Castillo

WHAT TO EXPECT

As Cub fans we’ve grown accustom to preaching patience. After all, what’s a few more years when we’ve already waited as long as we have for a World Series contender?

But what’s most exciting is the position players in the Cubs’ system are pretty darn good, granted most are still pretty far away from fielding a contending team together in the NL Central.

It’s likely, of course, the prospect landscape changes as Team Theo works the trade market to supplement pitching and acquire the finishing touches, which will eventually include the addition of free agents.

In the meantime, the objective remains to accumulate depth at every position, moving pieces that no longer fit and maintaining a strong prospect base for future success.

Like many of you, I’m a believer this era, in time, will pan out to be a perennial playoff team. But it does come at the cost of waiting, waiting and waiting some more. And in baseball years that could spells five seasons or more to fully complete the rebuild.

Even so, there’s no high-degree of certainty in developing prospects to perform at the desired levels needed in the majors.

Only time will tell, but pinning down the formula or the time frame is difficult in a sport as unpredictable and every changing as the game of baseball.
 

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I like Bullpen Brian, he's a good guy. Welcome to you as well.

We've done these a few times (well, that is, others on this forum have) but the general feeling is that it really depends on how many of the prospects actually reach their potential and whether the Cubs are able to swing some trades or free agent signings. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of Jackson or Szczur were trade bait. Overall I think it's a nice fantasy to have all these guys in a solid lineup in 2015. We'll just have to see :D
 

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Szczur has really diminished his value, highly doubt he'd get a nod over Jackson, and highly doubt Lake replaces Barney, and believe it would be a mistake to do so.
 

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Lake is not currently playing SS in the minors. He spent nearly all of this year at 3B in Tennessee.... plus, he's mediocre at best, and an inferior option to Darwin Barney if he never puts all of his "tools" together. There are far superior options to Junior Lake in the farm system at 2B. Logan Watkins, Ronald Torreyes, and even a possible move of Christian Villanueva to 2B.

While I agree with you on Szczur, he has to have a VERY strong campaign next year at AA. It will be a make or break year for him.

Albert Almora's ETA is... at the earliest... Sept 2015. You're already slating him to make his debut in 2014... and he's only had a third of a season of play so far? So, he's going to jump through 4 ranks of the minor leagues in the next 1.5 seasons? Yeah... not even close to likely. Soler could be on track for 2014, only because he's actually farther along than Almora in overall development. Even his ETa isn't until Sept 2014 and April 2015.

Anyone that thinks that Castro needs to be moved to 3B loses almost all credibility with me. Why? It shows they aren't paying close attention to what's actually going on. Baez does not have the range, nor shows the potential of range, that Castro does. Castro has also improved dramatically at the position in each of the past 3 years at the MLB level. If not for his error pile up in April and May, he'd be a strong candidate for the GG this year. On top of this, Baez is almost definitely going to be moved to 3B next year with Castro's extension. Baez does appear on the fast track, but he's still at the minimum of 2 full seasons away. So, he could make the 2015 team... but we'll have to wait and see there. Especially with the chance of other acquisitions and maybe even Lake pulling his "tools" together, we could see Baez moved to the OF. There's also another guy you failed to mention here for 3B, and that's Candelario.

Castillo will probably be fine as the backstop for years to come. He just needs time to adjust to the MLB game and refine his game calling. However, I wouldn't cry and whine if the team went out and picked up a better C... or if they gave Justin Marra, Taylor Davis, Chadd Krist, or Wilson Contreras a shot down the line.

While I can understand the appeal of trying to project the future lineup. I've done so in the past. The fact that it's less than a 25% chance that all of the players in the lineup will be homegrown products pretty much makes doing so a bit short-sighted. Also, if the Cubs are lucky enough to have all of those guys pan out, they may very well be the first to do since the draft and the international FA system came into place.
 

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Castillo is a decent average MLB starting catcher as far as I'm concerned. However, the top 2 prospects in next year's draft on some early rankings are LHP Carlos Rodon and C Jeremy Martinez, so he could be replaced.

The other mock draft I've seen have this for the Top 5.
Houston - RHP Mark Appel
Chicago (NL) - OF Austin Meadows
Minnesota - RHP Ryne Stanek
Colorado - C Jeremy Martinez
Cleveland - LHP Sean Manaea
Toronto - RHP Clinton Hollon
Kansas City - OF Austin Wilson
Miami - RHP Karsten Whitson
Pittsburgh - OF Clint Frazier
San Diego - Kris Byrant

Don't know where Rodon went in that mock, kinda weird with conflicting sources, but water is still murky this early.

I know you don't draft based on need, but I really do prefer Martinez to another Outfielder. If Appel could fall to us, that would be nice too. Even if we didn't sign him we could have the #2/3 (forget the rule) pick in 2014, and I think his signability issues are a thing of the past at this point.
 

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Castillo is a decent average MLB starting catcher as far as I'm concerned. However, the top 2 prospects in next year's draft on some early rankings are LHP Carlos Rodon and C Jeremy Martinez, so he could be replaced.

The other mock draft I've seen have this for the Top 5.
Houston - RHP Mark Appel
Chicago (NL) - OF Austin Meadows
Minnesota - RHP Ryne Stanek
Colorado - C Jeremy Martinez
Cleveland - LHP Sean Manaea
Toronto - RHP Clinton Hollon
Kansas City - OF Austin Wilson
Miami - RHP Karsten Whitson
Pittsburgh - OF Clint Frazier
San Diego - Kris Byrant

Don't know where Rodon went in that mock, kinda weird with conflicting sources, but water is still murky this early.

I know you don't draft based on need, but I really do prefer Martinez to another Outfielder. If Appel could fall to us, that would be nice too. Even if we didn't sign him we could have the #2/3 (forget the rule) pick in 2014, and I think his signability issues are a thing of the past at this point.

I agree that you draft the best available, but at times you do have to draft to need. I think the team is in such a desperate shape when it comes to pitching, that pitching needs to be taken. However, I could see a top-level middle IF or C taken as well.

Plus, I wouldn't trust any mock draft now. I wouldn't even trust any scouting projections for possible draftees right now. There's far too much that can happen between then and now. I guarantee that at least half of the guys projected to be taken high up now... won't be the same guys projected to be taken high up come next May or June. On top of this, I've never seen a mock draft that's been even remotely close to half accurate... even in the days just before the draft.
 

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On top of this, I've never seen a mock draft that's been even remotely close to half accurate... even in the days just before the draft.

Yeah, remember that one time the Cubs could've picked someone really good and instead drafted Hayden Simpson? I'll bet nobody saw that one coming.

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Yeah, remember that one time the Cubs could've picked someone really good and instead drafted Hayden Simpson? I'll bet nobody saw that one coming.

:cubstroll:

If you want to be miserable, go to the 2010 first round draft page on BR and loom at some of the guys we passed on
 

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Yeah, remember that one time the Cubs could've picked someone really good and instead drafted Hayden Simpson? I'll bet nobody saw that one coming.

:cubstroll:

Or the time they picked Luke Haggerty, Matt Clanton, Bobbie Brownlie, and Chadd Blasko all in the first round? When guys like Cain, Francouer, Votto, Lester, Broxton, Granderson, Josh Johnson were all available.
 

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We'll just pretend that with a better front office, the new CBA restrictions and an owner who seems to give a shit that those kinds of picks will never happen again.
 

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Lake is not currently playing SS in the minors. He spent nearly all of this year at 3B in Tennessee.... plus, he's mediocre at best, and an inferior option to Darwin Barney if he never puts all of his "tools" together. There are far superior options to Junior Lake in the farm system at 2B. Logan Watkins, Ronald Torreyes, and even a possible move of Christian Villanueva to 2B.

While I agree with you on Szczur, he has to have a VERY strong campaign next year at AA. It will be a make or break year for him.

Albert Almora's ETA is... at the earliest... Sept 2015. You're already slating him to make his debut in 2014... and he's only had a third of a season of play so far? So, he's going to jump through 4 ranks of the minor leagues in the next 1.5 seasons? Yeah... not even close to likely. Soler could be on track for 2014, only because he's actually farther along than Almora in overall development. Even his ETa isn't until Sept 2014 and April 2015.

Anyone that thinks that Castro needs to be moved to 3B loses almost all credibility with me. Why? It shows they aren't paying close attention to what's actually going on. Baez does not have the range, nor shows the potential of range, that Castro does. Castro has also improved dramatically at the position in each of the past 3 years at the MLB level. If not for his error pile up in April and May, he'd be a strong candidate for the GG this year. On top of this, Baez is almost definitely going to be moved to 3B next year with Castro's extension. Baez does appear on the fast track, but he's still at the minimum of 2 full seasons away. So, he could make the 2015 team... but we'll have to wait and see there. Especially with the chance of other acquisitions and maybe even Lake pulling his "tools" together, we could see Baez moved to the OF. There's also another guy you failed to mention here for 3B, and that's Candelario.

Castillo will probably be fine as the backstop for years to come. He just needs time to adjust to the MLB game and refine his game calling. However, I wouldn't cry and whine if the team went out and picked up a better C... or if they gave Justin Marra, Taylor Davis, Chadd Krist, or Wilson Contreras a shot down the line.

While I can understand the appeal of trying to project the future lineup. I've done so in the past. The fact that it's less than a 25% chance that all of the players in the lineup will be homegrown products pretty much makes doing so a bit short-sighted. Also, if the Cubs are lucky enough to have all of those guys pan out, they may very well be the first to do since the draft and the international FA system came into place.

I think you took my post a bit too seriously. None of these are needs or are set in stone. They are based on who is ranked in the top 20 in prospects as of now.
 

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Or the time they picked Luke Haggerty, Matt Clanton, Bobbie Brownlie, and Chadd Blasko all in the first round? When guys like Cain, Francouer, Votto, Lester, Broxton, Granderson, Josh Johnson were all available.
Well those guys had their arms blow up. That wasn't at least as predictable as Hayden Simpson being a bust was, though again the dramatic loss of velocity due to mono I would argue wasn't predictable. If you want to talk about huge bust lets talk about Mark Pawelek.
 

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Ultimately the idea that the Cubs are building a lineup entirely from within is pretty far fetched. There are going to be pieces brought in via trade and free agency as well. That is the point that I think seem to be overlooking is that never has Theo or Ricketts said that this was going to be built entirely from the farm system. The Cubs need a core to build around that is going to have to come from within because elite talent is being locked up, but the lineup should feature three or four key players (Castro, Rizzo, Baez, Soler, Almora) from within and maybe a couple of role players (Barney, Jackson, Castillo, etc.).
 

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