Probert's Brain Tested Positive for CTE

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...brain-disease-scientists-find/article1927734/



Six months before he died of a heart attack at age 45, former National Hockey League enforcer Bob Probert was flipping television channels when he stumbled upon a documentary about scientists analyzing the brains of dead professional football players.



Their findings so intrigued the former NHL tough guy that, when the researchers lamented how few hockey players had volunteered to help them understand the aftermath of multiple hits to the head, he vowed to do his part.



“It was just me looking at Bob, and saying, ‘Well, your brain would be a fine specimen,’ ” his wife of 17 years, Dani Probert, recalled in a phone interview from her home in Windsor, Ont.



On Thursday, Boston University researchers will release findings that show Mr. Probert had chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) when his heart gave out during a fishing trip last summer. The diagnosis makes him the second former professional hockey player to be found with the degenerative disease after Reggie Fleming, who died in 2009 at the age of 73 with dementia after three decades of worsening behavioural and cognitive problems.

 

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I don't really want to get into the above, because it's sad and I"m glad that his brain went to science and all that but I fucking hate that right after this came out, big front and center on the main page of the sports section "IN LIGHT OF PROBERT, SHOULD NHL BAN FIGHTING"





FOR FUCKS SAKE... I'm just tired of the ban fighting issue. And honestly, I think the fights probably contributed to it, but the game as gotten very violent without the fighting and I have a feeling that players who have never had a fight in the NHL also have a much higher chance than the normal individual of developing CTE.
 

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You’re not alone in both those sentiments. The idiot who wrote that headline looked at a sample of 2, Fleming and Probert, who both happened to be enforcers, and jumped to a conclusion.



"In my heart of hearts, I don't believe fighting is what did this to Bob," Dani Probert told The New York Times. "It was hockey -- all the checking and hits, things like that."



The researchers in the study seem to think it might be contact sports as a whole (football, boxing, wrestling, not specifically hockey/fighting) that are contributing to the problem.



One of the co-directors for the study said that while Probert did have CTE, "it was not as advanced as many of the pro football players' brains we have studied…but when it comes to hockey, we really don't yet know whether it's the game itself, and the hits players take by playing the sport, and/or the hits to the head from fighting…What we believe is that repetitive brain trauma is necessary for CTE to develop but it is not sufficient. Some people with repetitive brain trauma get the disease and some people don't. So there must be other factors that put people at greater risk."



I will gladly provide cites for the above if anyone wants to read the source documents. One other article I ran across last night (and I can’t find the darn cite today) had a quote from one of the researchers to the effect that they really couldn’t draw any conclusions about hockey until they look at brains from players who rarely, if ever, fight.
 

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Yea how many players have you heard of getting a concussion from fighting versus getting hit hard from a check.
 

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You’re not alone in both those sentiments. The idiot who wrote that headline looked at a sample of 2, Fleming and Probert, who both happened to be enforcers, and jumped to a conclusion.



"In my heart of hearts, I don't believe fighting is what did this to Bob," Dani Probert told The New York Times. "It was hockey -- all the checking and hits, things like that."



The researchers in the study seem to think it might be contact sports as a whole (football, boxing, wrestling, not specifically hockey/fighting) that are contributing to the problem.



One of the co-directors for the study said that while Probert did have CTE, "it was not as advanced as many of the pro football players' brains we have studied…but when it comes to hockey, we really don't yet know whether it's the game itself, and the hits players take by playing the sport, and/or the hits to the head from fighting…What we believe is that repetitive brain trauma is necessary for CTE to develop but it is not sufficient. Some people with repetitive brain trauma get the disease and some people don't. So there must be other factors that put people at greater risk."



I will gladly provide cites for the above if anyone wants to read the source documents. One other article I ran across last night (and I can’t find the darn cite today) had a quote from one of the researchers to the effect that they really couldn’t draw any conclusions about hockey until they look at brains from players who rarely, if ever, fight.



As I mentioned in the other thread that is completely unrelated "Correlation does not equal Causation"





Seems to be my mantra lately. Good stuff you posted.
 

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I bet Marc Savard's brain will show the same, if not worse...and has he EVER fought?
 

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Yea how many players have you heard of getting a concussion from fighting versus getting hit hard from a check.





True and well said.



I like all the discussions in prosports about concussions and the long term effects that we appear to be trying to address. It can only lead to better designed gear and the longer waiting periods to get back into the games certainly appears wise as well but the automatic jump into "let's get rid of fighting" again is ignorant and media sensationalism.
 

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I bet Lindros' brain will be all torn up as well.
 

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