Randy Brown Auctioning Off Championship Rings

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I would hope that the Kings owners would go and win the auction, so he can keep his rings, or Jerry Reinsdorf even. It would suck for him to have to give those up.

so he can sell them again later ?

i'd like to get one of those rings. 19k is a little too much though, especially since i wouldn't want all 3.

the one bulls championship ring i'd like the most (i think) would be the one with the red bull, which, i guess, it's from 91-93 since brown doesn't have it.

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I don't think I could have bid on one no matter what. I just can't see spending that much money on a ring I wouldn't wear, but I would have been awfully tempted if he sold them individually. No way would I want to buy 3, but if I could get one of them for 7-8 grand it would have been a heck of a lot more tempting.

Still, they'll probably go for way more than that in the end anyway.
 

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??? ?????? wrote:
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2009-04-0428-003.shtml

I would hope that the Kings owners would go and win the auction, so he can keep his rings, or Jerry Reinsdorf even. It would suck for him to have to give those up.

According to basketball reference, Randy Brown earnt over 15 million from his playing career. If he managed to blow that much money and end up bankrupt, then I really don't see why anyone should be expected to help him out.

As for selling it, even if you're not bankrupt, I'm all for selling that kind of stuff. I mean the value is in earning it, not the item itself, although some people have a fetish for the item and will pay stupid amounts of money for it. Why not cash in on that?
 

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You guys do know Randy Brown was fired last week right? Also I dont feel bad for NBA player who goes bankrupt, screw em. They make more money in a few seasons that we can make in a lifetime. Reinsdorf buy him a ring? If i were him I would say Randy Who.
 

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by the way can some one lend me some money so i can add atleast one ring to my collection? Doug? cool? anyone? ;)
 

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According to basketball reference, Randy Brown earnt over 15 million from his playing career. If he managed to blow that much money and end up bankrupt, then I really don't see why anyone should be expected to help him out.

Well of that money, he probably lost 40% to taxes. If he has any kids that he owes child support on then another 25%-40% of the money goes away. That could leave him with about 2 million in net income. That's not enough for most people to live the rest of their life off of. Especially if they get it all up front and have a tendency to spend more.

As for selling it, even if you're not bankrupt, I'm all for selling that kind of stuff. I mean the value is in earning it, not the item itself, although some people have a fetish for the item and will pay stupid amounts of money for it. Why not cash in on that?

The rarity of the item makes it pretty interesting. You may never have a chance to get one again, if you were a big Bulls fan then I can't think of a better momento.
 

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Jose Canseco tried to auction off his 2000 Yankees world series ring however he did not like the final bid and refused to part with it.
 

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Shakes wrote:
??? ?????? wrote:
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2009-04-0428-003.shtml

I would hope that the Kings owners would go and win the auction, so he can keep his rings, or Jerry Reinsdorf even. It would suck for him to have to give those up.

According to basketball reference, Randy Brown earnt over 15 million from his playing career. If he managed to blow that much money and end up bankrupt, then I really don't see why anyone should be expected to help him out.

As for selling it, even if you're not bankrupt, I'm all for selling that kind of stuff. I mean the value is in earning it, not the item itself, although some people have a fetish for the item and will pay stupid amounts of money for it. Why not cash in on that?

if i'd get the opportunity, i'd buy one then photoshop my face over his on all the pictures of that team that i could find. seeing is believing and what you read on the internet is true, so give it 5-10 years, and it will become fact that i was on a bulls championship team. me and dickey simpkins would be the ones that no one remembers.

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According to basketball reference, Randy Brown earnt over 15 million from his playing career. If he managed to blow that much money and end up bankrupt, then I really don't see why anyone should be expected to help him out.

Well of that money, he probably lost 40% to taxes. If he has any kids that he owes child support on then another 25%-40% of the money goes away. That could leave him with about 2 million in net income. That's not enough for most people to live the rest of their life off of. Especially if they get it all up front and have a tendency to spend more.

Seems like Patrick Chewing was right when he said:
"Sure, we make a lot of money, but we spend a lot, too."
 

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dougthonus wrote:
Well of that money, he probably lost 40% to taxes. If he has any kids that he owes child support on then another 25%-40% of the money goes away. That could leave him with about 2 million in net income. That's not enough for most people to live the rest of their life off of. Especially if they get it all up front and have a tendency to spend more.

Oh no doubt there's taxes and stuff, but lets face it, most people working today wont earn 15 million before taxes in their lives, even taking into account inflation pushing up their wages from today's level. You can't tell me what he's made isn't enough to live off, most people can and do live off that much throughout their lives.

There's over 6 billion people in the world who deserve sympathy for not having money more than some dumb athlete who has blown all theirs.
 

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dunkside.com wrote:
the one bulls championship ring i'd like the most (i think) would be the one with the red bull, which, i guess, it's from 91-93 since brown doesn't have it. [/quote]

I agree. That's the ring from 1992-93. the ruby Bull, that's my favorite.

It's a shame that a guy who made a ton of money playing basketball has to file for bankruptcy.

But like someone else posted, with the Patrick Ewing quote, they make more and spend more.
 

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Oh no doubt there's taxes and stuff, but lets face it, most people working today wont earn 15 million before taxes in their lives, even taking into account inflation pushing up their wages from today's level. You can't tell me what he's made isn't enough to live off, most people can and do live off that much throughout their lives.

There's over 6 billion people in the world who deserve sympathy for not having money more than some dumb athlete who has blown all theirs.

I'm not suggesting that Randy Brown deserves your sympathy per se. I'm just saying it's a different culture, and that there are reasons why an absurd percentage of former athletes go bankrupt.

Think about it for a moment, the bankruptcy rate among former athletes is approximately 60x the national average, and that's with all these people having radically more earnings than the typical person.

I think there are a wide variety of reasons for it, and I'm not suggesting you feel sorry for them, but it's clearly a problem without an obvious solution. Some of the problems include:

1) A keeping up with the Joneses attitude, but the Joneses in this case earn 10+ million a year, so the guys who don't earn at the high end tend to spend with those that do still.

2) A lack of education about how to handle finances for most of the players. They haven't earned the money through careful business planning or gotten it gradually, but have it all dumped on them at once. It's a massive change that most people don't experience, but many businesses struggle when they grow too large as well and have a hard time transitioning and that's with a gradual shift.

3) Their social circle and entourage as well as the women trying to get knocked up so they can retire off the child support. They spend a ton of money on friends, and even if they wise up eventually this hurts a lot.

4) A lack of understanding of when the ride is over that it's over because they're pampered and given everything in life through the AAU system. They don't seem to understand that when they can no longer play no one cares.

5) They spend too much money on things which decline in value. Jewelry, partying, cars, partying, etc..

I don't suggest you feel sorry for former athletes, but when it's a huge percentage of these guys filing for bankruptcy (60% within 5 years of retiring from the NBA according to a recent article) then it's clearly not just a problem with stupidity. It's a system that is setting people up to fail.
 

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Most people who win the lottery end up blowing all the money too. I think the getting the money without getting the financial smarts that normally come from earning money that is the only real factor at play.

Still I think you've got to blame the athletes for not educating themselves about how not to blow their money. As you say, there's enough evidence out there to show them that unless they do they're going to get themselves into trouble.
 

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Shakes wrote:
Most people who win the lottery end up blowing all the money too. I think the getting the money without getting the financial smarts that normally come from earning money that is the only real factor at play.

It sort of is the only factors. The other factors are things are probably just subsets of that which normal people don't have to deal with.

Still I think you've got to blame the athletes for not educating themselves about how not to blow their money. As you say, there's enough evidence out there to show them that unless they do they're going to get themselves into trouble.

Sure, you can blame them. I think most people do. I'm not saying they are without fault either. However, when it's 60% of all people in that position, you figure something else is at play that's putting them at a pretty severe disadvantage.
 

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Well if you're going to look at it that way, JR is doing Ben a favour by not loading him up with money that would only send him bankrupt. Who knew all this time he was such a caring man? ;)
 

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Randy has an NBA pension that must be good plus he was an assistant for several seasons up until last week so I doubt he is really broke.
 

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dougthonus wrote:
I don't suggest you feel sorry for former athletes, but when it's a huge percentage of these guys filing for bankruptcy (60% within 5 years of retiring from the NBA according to a recent article) then it's clearly not just a problem with stupidity. It's a system that is setting people up to fail.

Sure, you can blame them. I think most people do. I'm not saying they are without fault either. However, when it's 60% of all people in that position, you figure something else is at play that's putting them at a pretty severe disadvantage.

If someone accidentally finds a pirate's treasure chest and in 2 years blows the money away, who's to blame ? The pirates ?

It's easy to blame "the system" but the truth is that even more than 60% of people are just dumb. That should be true for athletes as well, so it's no wonder 60% end up broke.

Nobody is setting them up to fail. They do such a great job by themselves.

It's true sometimes it's not just stupidity - sometimes it's mixed with greed. I'm pretty sure there are some who think about investing but get greedy and when they're offered an "investment scheme" that is too good to be true, they let greed take over and end up losing their money.

If they used their common sense, they'd just put some of the money they make (at least 50%) into banks. That's what Swiss banks are for. And instead of putting all of them in one bank, spread them amongst 10, maybe 20 banks, so even if one goes bankrupt and you lose some of the money, you won't lose them all (btw, in europe deposits of up to 50k euros are guaranteed by the state). It's true that banks don't offer great returns but they're safe.

Again, it's just a matter of using common sense.
 

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Newskoolbulls wrote:
Randy has an NBA pension that must be good plus he was an assistant for several seasons up until last week so I doubt he is really broke.

I'm sure they take his pension as part of his bankruptcy and use it to pay off creditors.
 

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Bottom line is the guy got himself into some financial trouble. Regardless of how much blame can really be placed on Randy, I hope there are two main outcomes:

1.) Randy is able to recover and continue to live a reasonable life (have a job, house, car, but nothing too fancy)

2.) I hope he learns from this and uses it to remind himself, each day, that you can't spend what you don't have.
 

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