Roquan Smith snubbed in All Pro Voting

[remydat]

Lol the pro bowl. Well then...

And where are you getting the "no longer good" part? I said he's still a very good player. He's just not as dominant as he was a couple of years ago and not the HoF level production the Bears expected when they traded two firsts and made him the highest paid defensive player in the league. He simply hasn't paid dividends I don't think it's really debatable.

Umm I said Pro Bowl and All Pro. He was 2nd team All Pro this year. So again there are 3 different groups here rating him highly. PFF, the Pro Bowl voters and the All Pro voters. All independent of each other.

If is fine if you have that opinion. I am just telling you that opinion isn't aligned with coaches, players, and sports journalists who vote for the Pro Bowl or All Pro teams nor in line with the actual metrics I posted which you failed to even address.

 

[msadows]

Umm I said Pro Bowl and All Pro. He was 2nd team All Pro this year. So again there are 3 different groups here rating him highly. PFF, the Pro Bowl voters and the All Pro voters. All independent of each other.

If is fine if you have that opinion. I am just telling you that opinion isn't aligned with coaches, players, and sports journalists who vote for the Pro Bowl or All Pro teams nor in line with the actual metrics I posted which you failed to even address.

Hes still really good.

But, unless I'm wrong and they changed it, the all pro team is based on 50 media members.

If you can't tell why having a big name factors in to it, IDK what to tell you.

Mack most def is still a probowl/all pro caliber player, you can argue he deserves it this year, this was just the worst year of his career as far as pressures go. That isn't debatable.

When you pay a guy a giant sum of cash you expect him to be top 5 in pressures and sack year in and year out.

 

[remydat]

Evidently Pagano's scheme allowed mack to get as many pressures last year as in 2018, but somehow his scheme is the reason mack only got two more than leonard floyd this year.

Makes sense.

Maybe mack just had a down year, and like you said, not as dominant as we're used to seeing him.

You shouldn't be 21st in pressures when you are paid that much.

He wasn't 21st in pressures. He was 6th. And as the metrics show only 5 players had a higher pass rush win rate with similar double team rate. Not sure where you get your pressure stats from but they are most certainly wrong. He had 57 pressures and Floyd had 45. Your pressures number can't be right when you cross check against pass rush win rate and double team rate. Floyd's pass rush win rate is much lower than Mack's despite less double teams which is more indicative of the pressure numbers PFF is quoting than the ones you are using. Keeping in mind that the Pass Rush Win Rate numbers come from a source independent of PFF ie ESPN.

Hes still really good.

But, unless I'm wrong and they changed it, the all pro team is based on 50 media members.

If you can't tell why having a big name factors in to it, IDK what to tell you.

Mack most def is still a probowl/all pro caliber player, you can argue he deserves it this year, this was just the worst year of his career as far as pressures go. That isn't debatable.

When you pay a guy a giant sum of cash you expect him to be top 5 in pressures and sack year in and year out.

Again you pressure numbers are wrong. Mack was 6th in pressures per PFF and that is aligned with ESPN's pass rush win rate vs double teams where Mack was also essentially 6th. Your data is wrong.

Finally, I am not trusting simply the 50 media members. I am also trusting the coaches and players who voted in the Pro Bowl. The PFF grades, and the metrics that show he is still elite.

 

[msadows]

He wasn't 21st in pressures. He was 6th. And as the metrics show only 5 players had a higher pass rush win rate with similar double team rate. Not sure where you get your pressure stats from but they are most certainly wrong. He had 57 pressures and Floyd had 45. Your pressures number can't be right when you cross check against pass rush win rate and double team rate. Floyd's pass rush win rate is much lower than Mack's despite less double teams which is more indicative of the pressure numbers PFF is quoting than the ones you are using. Keeping in mind that the Pass Rush Win Rate numbers come from a source independent of PFF ie ESPN.

Pro-Football-Reference disagrees with you.

Get out of here with this PFF shit.

Pass rush win rate doesn't mean crap to me either. All that matters is pressures and sacks, you know, what they get paid for.

 

[msadows]

Evidently now Pro football reference, the largest collection of stats for every sport is wrong, but PFF is right, the website full of couch potatoes scoring players on their own opinions.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/defense_advanced.htm

 

[remydat]

Pro-Football-Reference disagrees with you.

Get out of here with this PFF shit.

Pass rush win rate doesn't mean crap to me either. All that matters is pressures and sacks, you know, what they get paid for.

Yes and they are wrong. You have no evidence to support whether they are right or not. The evidence that PFF pressure stats are more accurate is the fact that they are aligned with the ESPN independent information, coaches, players, and the media who vote for the Pro Bowl and All Pro teams.

 

[remydat]

Evidently now Pro football reference, the largest collection of stats for every sport is wrong, but PFF is right, the website full of couch potatoes scoring players on their own opinions.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/defense_advanced.htm

Yes they are. You can tell they are because their data is out of whack with PFF and ESPN next gen stats. Not to mention this is free data where teams pay PFF and ESPN for their data because it is deemed more accurate. You really have no basis to claim their data is better. Their data is just more readily available because it is free. It is free because those in the NFL don't want to pay for it.

I will also say the PFR data backs up what I am saying. Watt is shown as blitzing 139 times. That creates one on one situations and means he was rushing with 5 or more guys. It shows Mack as only blitzing 36 times. Floyd blitzed 96 times. So Mack is clearly being doubled and rushing with less guys almost 3 times more than Floyd almost 4 times less than Watt.

So your PFR data just shows how stupid your argument is as you haven't accounted for the difference in double teams or how many guys were sent. ESPN stats confirm this as again Floyd and Watt were doubled teamed significantly less than Mack.

 

[msadows]

Yes and they are wrong. You have no evidence to support whether they are right or not. The evidence that PFF pressure stats are more accurate is the fact that they are aligned with the ESPN independent information, coaches, players, and the media who vote for the Pro Bowl and All Pro teams.

Outside of the fact that they've been around for decades and are always right?

Sorry, but pff is wrong. See how that qworks?

 

[msadows]

Yes they are. You can tell they are because their data is out of whack with PFF and ESPN next gen stats. Not to mention this is free data where teams pay PFF and ESPN for their data because it is deemed more accurate.

Keep thinking that princess. You're paying to hear some random fat guys opinion on who they think is a good player.

 

[msadows]

FYI, this is the company that provides advanced data to PFR

Sportradar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Go take your shitty ass PFF crap elsewhere. These guys give advanced analysis to fucking sportsbooks on every sport, much less the NFL and NBA.

 

[remydat]

Outside of the fact that they've been around for decades and are always right?

Sorry, but pff is wrong. See how that qworks?

This statement lacks any evidence.

Keep thinking that princess. You're paying to hear some random fat guys opinion on who they think is a good player.

The issue is NFL teams pay for PFF & ESPN stats not PFR. You have never heard anyone quote PFR pressure stats and you are lying. Their Advanced stats you cite have only been around since 2018 hence why if you click previous season on your link it stops after 2018. If you click on an individual player's page and go to advanced stats, there is nothing prior to 2018. So their advanced stats are new and unproven hence why no NFL teams pay for them.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/defense_advanced.htm

Khalil Mack Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Khalil Mack. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Again no data before 2018 and Mack's advanced data only goes to 2018. LMFAO as trying to claim this data is the best.

 

[msadows]

" Through the US subsidiary, Sportradar US, Sportradar is the official data provider of the US sports federations NFL, NBA,MLB and NASCAR. "

Lol at REMY.

 

[msadows]

This statement lacks any evidence.


The issue is NFL teams pay for PFF & ESPN stats not PFR. You have never heard anyone quote PFR pressure stats and you are lying. Their Advanced stats you cite have only been around since 2018 hence why if you click previous season on your link it stops after 2018. If you click on an individual player's page and go to advanced stats, there is nothing prior to 2018. So their advanced stats are new and unproven hence why no NFL teams pay for them.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/defense_advanced.htm

Khalil Mack Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Khalil Mack. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Again no data before 2018 and Mack's advanced data only goes to 2018. LMFAO as trying to claim this data is the best.

Read above. Buddy.

 

[msadows]

Remy wrong again. Sweet sweet justice.

PFF is gutter trash, and you pay for it.

 

[remydat]

FYI, this is the company that provides advanced data to PFR

Sportradar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Go take your shitty ass PFF crap elsewhere. These guys give advanced analysis to fucking sportsbooks on every sport, much less the NFL and NBA.

Nope the advanced data is not provided to the NFL because it is crap. Again, PFR only started their advanced data in 2018. PFF has been providing advanced data to the NFL for much longer. Sorry.

Find examples of an NFL team, coach or journalist quoting PFR advanced data? Now do the same for PFF or ESPN?

 

[msadows]

Nope the advanced data is not provided to the NFL because it is crap. Again, PFR only started their advanced data in 2018. PFF has been providing advanced data to the NFL for much longer. Sorry.

Seriously? Dude. That company provides PFR their advanced data.

That company is the official stat partner of the NFL.

You're crazy. It literally says that shit in the wiki i linked you.

 

[msadows]

We are the NFL’s exclusive distributor for official real-time scores, player statistics and play-by-play data (Game Statistics and Information System/ “GSIS”) as well as the NFL’s proprietary Next Gen Stats to media outlets and sports betting operators in the US and internationally where sports betting is legal and regulated.

Seriously. Do you even check anything before you post?

They are the guys behind NGS. They also provide andvanced data directly to PFR since 2018.

I'll trust these guys more than some couch potatoes at PFF analyzing a game. They provide data for 3/4 big sports in this country, and for a TON of other leagues in the world.

 

[msadows]

Next Gen Stats, which debuted in the 2014 NFL season, consists of real-time, location-based data such as speed, acceleration and distance traveled, for all players, in all games. This unique information, alongside GSIS, is distributed by Sportradar to give fans a closer look into the game, and allows them to experience it in ways never seen before. Insights from Next Gen Stats also are available for fans in-stadium, at home and everywhere else that NFL content is consumed.

I'm sure you've heard of next gen stats. Right? Right?

It's even in Madden!

 

[remydat]

Seriously? Dude. That company provides PFR their advanced data.

That company is the official stat partner of the NFL.

You're crazy. It literally says that shit in the wiki i linked you.

Yes official stat partner. The PFR advanced data is not official NFL stats hence why you can't find it on NFL.com

Khalil Mack Splits Stats | NFL.com

www.nfl.com

The NFL does not use that advanced data. They use the basic information like tackles and sacks. That is what Sportstrader tracks and provides. Again, no one quotes or uses the PFR pressure data.

 

[msadows]

Yes official stat partner. The PFR advanced data is not official NFL stats hence why you can't find it on NFL.com

Khalil Mack Splits Stats | NFL.com

www.nfl.com

The NFL does not use that advanced data. They use the basic information like tackles and sacks. That is what Sportstrader tracks and provides. Again, no one quotes or uses the PFR pressure data.

Holy fuck, you will literally never admit you are wrong. This is magical.

PFF is literally a bunch of guys like you watching a game and putting little checks in a box.

Sportsradar puts fucking microchips in the balls to track those stats.

But yes, keep defending PFF on literally everything.