Running with the Bulls 132

[Fred]

Great show as usual Kush. I hate to say it, but I completely agree with your nightmare free agent scenario. I can see the Knicks throwing 2 max deals at Boozer and Johnson, and I don't think either is worth a max deal. But it led me to ponder this:

Would you rather sign:

a. Joe Johnson to a max deal.

or

b. Use all available cap space to sign David Lee and Ray Allen. I would even overpay Ray Allen for 2 years, so his contract can come off the Books when we need to pay Rose.

I would go with B. I think that team might do some damage, and actually be better than a Johnson-Noah-Rose core. We'd look a lot better and have more flexability in year 3,4, and 5.

And finally, Bulls Employee Sam Smith told me the organization WILL NOT trade Noah for Bosh in a sign and trade...under any circumstances...even for D. Wade.

 

[Shakes]

Lee + SG (Ray Allen or otherwise) is better year 1, and miles better year 5 I think.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Great show Kush. My favorite part this time was about the cards. I don´t know anything about their values but I think it´s gone back because of ebay. In the past it was way harder to get a specific card.

Although I´m only 21, I´have my stories with cards, too.

I got my first three cards when I was about seven years old. They were in Kellogs (I think it´s the same name in the US). Me, my family and two friends, we went to Austria during our vacations. So during breakfast we were 4 kids eating Kellogs. And I looked at the closed box and saw there are NBA cards in it. You could get one out of 4 team packages and every team package included three players. And like kids are everyone was like " I wanna have these cards!" And I said "I´m the only one who is interested in basketball and who knows the players who are on these cards, so it would make the most sense to give me the cards." I´ve already been a Bulls fan but I didn´t had a single collectible that time. So to avoid any more discussions my mom had the idea to put the Kellogs directly from the box into our bowls and the one in whose bowl the cards fall in, the one gets them. You know what happened. SPLASH... the cards landed in my bowl. B) And I was lucky as hell that I got the Bulls and no other team. Yes, victory in all points!

So I got the cards of Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc. And guess what, as funny as life is I got the same cards in the next two boxes when we were back home again. :laugh: I never got an other team package.



Then 5 years had gone into the world before I got contact with cards again. I´ve been in a three day basketball camp and after the last day the coach came with a big white box completely filled with cards. He put it on the floor at halfcourt and said "Take what you want but share it!" As fast as I could I only looked for Bulls cards. I didn´t look at the players first, but only at the team logo. After 10 minutes all the other kids went home with their moms and I was still sitting at halfcourt. I´ve been there for a full hour
till my mom came into the gym. She was waiting at the parking lot and couldn´t believe why I´m late. Then the coach saw this and said "You know what I can´t see those cards any more. I bring them to every camp but the cards don´t get less. So take them all!" HELL YEAH JACKPOT BABY!!! B)

This is where I got the most cards from. The cards are all from the 90s. So I got really good players like Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Webber, etc. This was even more special when you know about the situation a basketball fan in Germany is in. I´m living in a small village and there was no shop that sold cards. Also Germany is not known for loving basketball much. Here it´s all about soccer.



Then finally to come to an end. Another 9 years had passed and last year I bought my first cards from my own money. Yes, with the age of 21! :cheer: I decided to buy 3 packages of the 2007 season and a couple of packages from the current season.

I started to open the 2007 season packages. In the first there was Kirk Hinrich, in the second there was Ben Gordon and in the third there was Luol Deng. WO I HAVE DAMN LUCK WITH BULLS CARDS! So I opened the first package of the current season and Wow ANOTHER Bulls player...................................Aaron Gray. Oh come on!!! :huh:

The same day I quit buying packages, cause it´s like Kush said. It´s gambling.



Since then I bought some card lots of my favorite players on ebay.

Now I have:

Total number of different Bulls cards: 299
Number of different Jordan, Pippen, Rose, Hinrich and Gordon cards: 148
Number of different Bulls players not named MJ, SP, DR, KH and BG: 151

I hope my post was not too long and you don´t fall asleep.

 

[TheStig]

Fred, there will be a third market available to us. The trade market will open up and have oppurtunities. You won't get a Bron or a Howard but you will get a step or two down on a reasonable deal with a shorter term. If we strike out in FA, I see a trade more likely than a Lee. With guys like JJ and Taj and multiple first round picks in coming years and cap space to provide instant financial relief, we are the cream of the crop in that market.

 

[Shakes]

We can get Lee and make a trade.

 

[Kush77]

Fred wrote:

Great show as usual Kush. I hate to say it, but I completely agree with your nightmare free agent scenario. I can see the Knicks throwing 2 max deals at Boozer and Johnson, and I don't think either is worth a max deal. But it led me to ponder this:

Would you rather sign:

a. Joe Johnson to a max deal.

or

b. Use all available cap space to sign David Lee and Ray Allen. I would even overpay Ray Allen for 2 years, so his contract can come off the Books when we need to pay Rose.

I would go with B. I think that team might do some damage, and actually be better than a Johnson-Noah-Rose core. We'd look a lot better and have more flexability in year 3,4, and 5.

And finally, Bulls Employee Sam Smith told me the organization WILL NOT trade Noah for Bosh in a sign and trade...under any circumstances...even for D. Wade.

Thanks Fred. I heard you talk about the Noah thing on the show. that would be a mistake to me.

I hope Noah didn't hit his ceiling, but we shouldn't pass on a better player. If the Raps want Noah, they need to pull the trigger. But it's all just speculation at this point.

I was thinking about a small deal for Ray Allen the other day. i wouldn't mind that at all. I think I'd go for plan b on your choices.

 

[Kush77]

Bullseye wrote:

Great show Kush. My favorite part this time was about the cards. I don´t know anything about their values but I think it´s gone back because of ebay. In the past it was way harder to get a specific card.

Although I´m only 21, I´have my stories with cards, too.

I got my first three cards when I was about seven years old. They were in Kellogs (I think it´s the same name in the US). Me, my family and two friends, we went to Austria during our vacations. So during breakfast we were 4 kids eating Kellogs. And I looked at the closed box and saw there are NBA cards in it. You could get one out of 4 team packages and every team package included three players. And like kids are everyone was like " I wanna have these cards!" And I said "I´m the only one who is interested in basketball and who knows the players who are on these cards, so it would make the most sense to give me the cards." I´ve already been a Bulls fan but I didn´t had a single collectible that time. So to avoid any more discussions my mom had the idea to put the Kellogs directly from the box into our bowls and the one in whose bowl the cards fall in, the one gets them. You know what happened. SPLASH... the cards landed in my bowl. B) And I was lucky as hell that I got the Bulls and no other team. Yes, victory in all points!

So I got the cards of Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc. And guess what, as funny as life is I got the same cards in the next two boxes when we were back home again. :laugh: I never got an other team package.



Then 5 years had gone into the world before I got contact with cards again. I´ve been in a three day basketball camp and after the last day the coach came with a big white box completely filled with cards. He put it on the floor at halfcourt and said "Take what you want but share it!" As fast as I could I only looked for Bulls cards. I didn´t look at the players first, but only at the team logo. After 10 minutes all the other kids went home with their moms and I was still sitting at halfcourt. I´ve been there for a full hour
till my mom came into the gym. She was waiting at the parking lot and couldn´t believe why I´m late. Then the coach saw this and said "You know what I can´t see those cards any more. I bring them to every camp but the cards don´t get less. So take them all!" HELL YEAH JACKPOT BABY!!! B)

This is where I got the most cards from. The cards are all from the 90s. So I got really good players like Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Webber, etc. This was even more special when you know about the situation a basketball fan in Germany is in. I´m living in a small village and there was no shop that sold cards. Also Germany is not known for loving basketball much. Here it´s all about soccer.



Then finally to come to an end. Another 9 years had passed and last year I bought my first cards from my own money. Yes, with the age of 21! :cheer: I decided to buy 3 packages of the 2007 season and a couple of packages from the current season.

I started to open the 2007 season packages. In the first there was Kirk Hinrich, in the second there was Ben Gordon and in the third there was Luol Deng. WO I HAVE DAMN LUCK WITH BULLS CARDS! So I opened the first package of the current season and Wow ANOTHER Bulls player...................................Aaron Gray. Oh come on!!! :huh:

The same day I quit buying packages, cause it´s like Kush said. It´s gambling.



Since then I bought some card lots of my favorite players on ebay.

Now I have:

Total number of different Bulls cards: 299
Number of different Jordan, Pippen, Rose, Hinrich and Gordon cards: 148
Number of different Bulls players not named MJ, SP, DR, KH and BG: 151

I hope my post was not too long and you don´t fall asleep.

Ebay has really changed how cards are bought. When I was a kid you could only go to your local card store, or if you were lucky there was a card show somewhere close. Now Ebay has opened up buying cards to and from the whole world.

But the 1990s specifically ruined card collecting in my opinion. The overproduction of cards was just a killer. All that money I spent in the 1990s was a waste.

I was looking through my old boxes of cards and one thing kills me. I got my first job in 1995 so I bought a lot of 95/96 cards basketball. I somehow have about 300 Antonio McDyess rookie cards, about 250 Jerry Stackhouse rookie cards and about 150 Joe Smith rookie cards. All worthless. But somehow I have ZERO Kevin Garnett rookie cards. What the hell did I do?

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Kush77 wrote:

Ebay has really changed how cards are bought. When I was a kid you could only go to your local card store, or if you were lucky there was a card show somewhere close. Now Ebay has opened up buying cards to and from the whole world.

But the 1990s specifically ruined card collecting in my opinion. The overproduction of cards was just a killer. All that money I spent in the 1990s was a waste.

I was looking through my old boxes of cards and one thing kills me. I got my first job in 1995 so I bought a lot of 95/96 cards basketball. I somehow have about 300 Antonio McDyess rookie cards, about 250 Jerry Stackhouse rookie cards and about 150 Joe Smith rookie cards. All worthless. But somehow I have ZERO Kevin Garnett rookie cards. What the hell did I do?

Born too early?

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_tr..._nkw=garnett+rookie&_sacat=See-All-Categories

:laugh:

 

[Diddy1122]

Kush77 wrote:

Ebay has really changed how cards are bought. When I was a kid you could only go to your local card store, or if you were lucky there was a card show somewhere close. Now Ebay has opened up buying cards to and from the whole world.

But the 1990s specifically ruined card collecting in my opinion. The overproduction of cards was just a killer. All that money I spent in the 1990s was a waste.

I was looking through my old boxes of cards and one thing kills me. I got my first job in 1995 so I bought a lot of 95/96 cards basketball. I somehow have about 300 Antonio McDyess rookie cards, about 250 Jerry Stackhouse rookie cards and about 150 Joe Smith rookie cards. All worthless. But somehow I have ZERO Kevin Garnett rookie cards. What the hell did I do?

Man that is so true. I have the entire NBA Hoops 1989-1990 set & it's worth like 7 dollars total. 7 dollars!? You know how many chores I had to do just to get that whole set!? I have 15 Sherman Douglas rookie cards. What the hell am I supposed to do with them now?

 

[Fred]

Now I know why Kush is so angry when I criticize one Scottie Pippen. He is financially vested in him. Every time I criticize Pip, the total value of Kush's large Pippen card portfolio falls by 2 or 3% points.

 

[Kush77]

Fred wrote:

Now I know why Kush is so angry when I criticize one Scottie Pippen. He is financially vested in him. Every time I criticize Pip, the total value of Kush's large Pippen card portfolio falls by 2 or 3% points.

Ha ha ha. good stuff Fred.

Actually my Pippen cards are the best cards I have now. I have a lot of insert Pippen cards from the mid 90s that have actually gone up or held there value. I assumed since his rookie card went down in value that his others would too, but they didn't. Doesn't make sense to me but card collecting doesn't make much sense to me any more.

 

[Kush77]

Diddy1122 wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Ebay has really changed how cards are bought. When I was a kid you could only go to your local card store, or if you were lucky there was a card show somewhere close. Now Ebay has opened up buying cards to and from the whole world.

But the 1990s specifically ruined card collecting in my opinion. The overproduction of cards was just a killer. All that money I spent in the 1990s was a waste.

I was looking through my old boxes of cards and one thing kills me. I got my first job in 1995 so I bought a lot of 95/96 cards basketball. I somehow have about 300 Antonio McDyess rookie cards, about 250 Jerry Stackhouse rookie cards and about 150 Joe Smith rookie cards. All worthless. But somehow I have ZERO Kevin Garnett rookie cards. What the hell did I do?

Man that is so true. I have the entire NBA Hoops 1989-1990 set & it's worth like 7 dollars total. 7 dollars!? You know how many chores I had to do just to get that whole set!? I have 15 Sherman Douglas rookie cards. What the hell am I supposed to do with them now?

Good old hoops. I remember stealing an entire box of 90-91 Hoops card from a White Hen Pantry down the street. Yeah, I stole cards a lot when I was a kid.

Well the risk definitely wasn't worth it since the set is worth about the same as the 89-90 Hoops. At least the 89-90 Hoops had the Robinson rookie, but whats that worth now 5 bucks?? Ugh, card collecting in the late 80, early 90s. A big waste of money.

1990 Score football cards ugh. 1989 Score Football one of the greatest sets ever, 1990, on of the worst.

Pro Set cards, they can go suck it.

Remember Classic cards - try to get the rookies. That company was a sreaming pile of horse crap.

I think I should do a show just on cards.

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Now I know why Kush is so angry when I criticize one Scottie Pippen. He is financially vested in him. Every time I criticize Pip, the total value of Kush's large Pippen card portfolio falls by 2 or 3% points.

Ha ha ha. good stuff Fred.

Actually my Pippen cards are the best cards I have now. I have a lot of insert Pippen cards from the mid 90s that have actually gone up or held there value. I assumed since his rookie card went down in value that his others would too, but they didn't. Doesn't make sense to me but card collecting doesn't make much sense to me any more.

I remember when rookie cards were the cream of the crop. the last time I looked at cards years ago it was those special collector inserts which really didn't make sense to me. I wonder how much an MJ rookie is worth, weren't they like $2000 back in the day?

 

[Kush77]

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Now I know why Kush is so angry when I criticize one Scottie Pippen. He is financially vested in him. Every time I criticize Pip, the total value of Kush's large Pippen card portfolio falls by 2 or 3% points.

Ha ha ha. good stuff Fred.

Actually my Pippen cards are the best cards I have now. I have a lot of insert Pippen cards from the mid 90s that have actually gone up or held there value. I assumed since his rookie card went down in value that his others would too, but they didn't. Doesn't make sense to me but card collecting doesn't make much sense to me any more.

I remember when rookie cards were the cream of the crop. the last time I looked at cards years ago it was those special collector inserts which really didn't make sense to me. I wonder how much an MJ rookie is worth, weren't they like $2000 back in the day?

Jordan's 84-85 Star rookie card is 2700 and his 1986 Fleer rookie is 600.

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Now I know why Kush is so angry when I criticize one Scottie Pippen. He is financially vested in him. Every time I criticize Pip, the total value of Kush's large Pippen card portfolio falls by 2 or 3% points.

Ha ha ha. good stuff Fred.

Actually my Pippen cards are the best cards I have now. I have a lot of insert Pippen cards from the mid 90s that have actually gone up or held there value. I assumed since his rookie card went down in value that his others would too, but they didn't. Doesn't make sense to me but card collecting doesn't make much sense to me any more.

I remember when rookie cards were the cream of the crop. the last time I looked at cards years ago it was those special collector inserts which really didn't make sense to me. I wonder how much an MJ rookie is worth, weren't they like $2000 back in the day?

Jordan's 84-85 Star rookie card is 2700 and his 1986 Fleer rookie is 600.

Thats it, wasn't that rookie card worth like $2000 in the nineties?

 

[Kush77]

TheStig wrote:

Jordan's 84-85 Star rookie card is 2700 and his 1986 Fleer rookie is 600.

Thats it, wasn't that rookie card worth like $2000 in the nineties?

I think it was actually more in the 90's. Cards are a funny thing. They get hot and cold, just like stocks.

During the 1996 season Dennis Rodman's rookie card was the same as Pippen's 50 bucks. That was the best time to sell high on Rodman cards. Now Pip's rookie is 25 and Rodman's is probably 15-20.

It's about popularity, is that person in the news.

Jordan's cards probably won't get a boost until he passes away. God forbid, I hope MJ lives forever B) but it takes things like that to get a retired players cards a boost.

Like when OJ Simpson's cards got hot again after the double murder and during the trial. Pretty sick, but that's how it is.
I remember buying an O.J Simpson card from when he was on the 49ers at the end of his career. Just to have it in my collection. I think I might of paid 10 bucks for it. But had OJ not been in the news, I would never have bought that card and probably no one else.

 

[houheffna]

Jordan's cards probably won't get a boost until he passes away. God forbid, I hope MJ lives forever but it takes things like that to get a retired players cards a boost.

That is kinda like the Mantle Topps Rookie card...he passed away and the card, which was already one of the, if not the most expensive card of the last 60 years or so, skyrocketed.

When I was a kid, the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey was the card...#1 in the set...if they are inexpensive, I would get all of those sets for a personal keepsake.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

Jordan's cards probably won't get a boost until he passes away. God forbid, I hope MJ lives forever but it takes things like that to get a retired players cards a boost.

That is kinda like the Mantle Topps Rookie card...he passed away and the card, which was already one of the, if not the most expensive card of the last 60 years or so, skyrocketed.

When I was a kid, the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey was the card...#1 in the set...if they are inexpensive, I would get all of those sets for a personal keepsake.

I had that card but I sold it in 1998 for beckett value at 75 bucks.

I'm not sure how much the Griffey card is currently. I think if you have a graded one it's worth a lot more.

Griffey's cards are the best ones to have considering everyone else from the 90s dropped off a cliff because of steroids.

I remember people going nuts trying to get that 1984 Mark McGwire Team USA card. Now it's probably worth 5 bucks.

 

[houheffna]

I had that card but I sold it in 1998 for beckett value at 75 bucks.

I'm not sure how much the Griffey card is currently. I think if you have a graded one it's worth a lot more.

Griffey's cards are the best ones to have considering everyone else from the 90s dropped off a cliff because of steroids.

I remember people going nuts trying to get that 1984 Mark McGwire Team USA card. Now it's probably worth 5 bucks.

Yeah, tell me about it, I still got that Sammy Sosa with the jheri curl White Sox rookie card. A lady friend at DeVry did give me a ARod and Jeter rookie card about 10 years ago. I believe they are at my mom's crib. Never did get a Frank Thomas...and he was my favorite player.