Running With The Bulls Ep#129

[Kush77]

Just put up a new show this afternoon.

I talk about the Bulls still being in the playoff race and how, if all goes right, they could be tied with Toronto on Monday night.

Bulls next two games - NJ and @DET
Toronto next 3 games - Den, @MIA and @Char

I also talk about the stat argument we've been having and Fred's Scottie Pippen hate. :laugh:

 

[Fred]

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

 

[Kush77]

Fred wrote:

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

I'm just giving you a hard time Fred. I plan on making it a running theme on my show.

But can you answer my question about Terrell Davis. The only time I remember him getting a migraine is the Super Bowl? I never heard of him getting them during the next season or his first few years in Denver. Maybe a Broncos fan would know better but I only know of the Super Bowl vs. Green Bay.

 

[Kush77]

Here's the gamer from that migraine game.

Scottie Pippen wasn't the only one to crap his pants in that game. Grant was 3 of 17 and the almighty Craig Hodges was 3 of 13.

Bulls fall a giant step short - It's wait till next year after loss in Game 7
Chicago Sun-Times - Monday, June 4, 1990
Author: Lacy J. Banks
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. So close, yet so far away.

That's the frustration the Bulls felt Sunday afternoon after losing Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals 93-74 to the Detroit Pistons in the Palace and being eliminated from the NBA playoffs.

It marks the second straight year the Bulls were ousted by the Pistons in the conference finals.

"Naturally, I'm disappointed," said Bulls guard Michael Jordan, whose nine assists, eight rebounds and game-high 31 points went for naught. "I'd love to be where (the Pistons) are right now. But it just wasn't meant to be. We still are in a learning process.

"We came within a game of being where they are. Now, there's nothing left for us to do but to look forward to next year and try to overcome this same situation and take it a step farther."

Forward Horace Grant (10 points, a game-high 14 rebounds) was the only other Bull who scored in double figures. But Grant (3-for-17 from the field) and Scottie Pippen (1-for-10) had their worst shooting games of the season.

Craig Hodges, who started at shooting guard in place of injured John Paxson, was barely better at 3-for-13 as the Bulls shot a frigid 31.1 percent. Their 74 points were the fewest ever scored against the Pistons in a playoff game.

"It was a great series - kind of what I expected, although I didn't want it to go seven games," Pistons coach Chuck Daly said.

The defending champion Pistons advance to the best-of-seven NBA finals against Western Conference winner Portland beginning tomorrow night in the Palace.

"We're going to have our hands full," said Pistons playmaker Isiah Thomas, who led Detroit with 21 points, eight rebounds and a game-high 11 assists. "In terms of matchups, the teams are pretty even."

"But they are healthy and well-rested," Daly said. "We may be struggling come Tuesday with some of our injuries."

Sunday, it was the Bulls who struggled from the outset. They entered the game

without starting point guard Paxson, sidelined by a severely sprained right ankle. In addition, Pippen was hampered by a migraine headache. Between trips to the bench for ice-pack treatments, he managed just two points and four rebounds in 45 minutes.

"You're not going to see Scottie shoot 1-for-10 very often," Bulls operations chief Jerry Krause said.

"He stayed out and played, but he wasn't himself," Bulls coach Phil Jackson said.

"I was only about 75 percent," Pippen said. "The

headache started (Saturday). I thought it went away because I slept well and woke up feeling fine. But it started back during warmups, and I wasn't able to shake it. I had double vision at times. I had a hard time seeing my teammates, and I didn't feel comfort able when I got the ball."

The Pistons, on the other hand, felt increasingly comfortable as the game wore on.

The Bulls led 19-17 after one period. They led despite shooting 31.8 percent as the Pistons were even worse (27.3 percent).

But in the second quarter, the Bulls' lack of depth (compounded by the absence of Paxson) and Pippen 's ineffectiveness took their toll. Mark Aguirre came off the Pistons' bench to score 10 of his 15 total points on 5-for-6 shooting. Thomas and reserve John Salley each added seven points as the Pistons outscored the Bulls 31-14 to take the lead for keeps.

With the score tied at 25 with 8:42 left in the second, the Pistons shut down the Bulls defensively and outscored them 23-8 the rest of the period. During one stretch, the Pistons hit 14 of 15 field-goal attempts, including 10 straight, and shot 82 percent for the period. The Bulls, meanwhile, ended the period missing 11 of 12.

"It's tough (to lose) as a leader," Jordan said. "It's my job to show (young teammates) how to relax and stay calm. Maybe the pressure got to us. The pressure, the nervousness and the inexperience of being the the seventh game. Nobody except perhaps Bill Cartwright has been in this situation. The inexperience killed us."

The Pistons surged to a 22-point lead at 61-39 with 7:47 left in the third quarter before Jordan, who scored nine in the period, rallied the Bulls to within 69-59 after three. But the Bulls got no closer, shooting 28 percent in the fourth period against the Pistons' 56 percent.

The Pistons finished the game shooting 51.4 percent, and their bench outscored the Bulls' reserves 33-17.

 

[Dpauley23]

Fred wrote:

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

Ya maybe something like his Father dying a couple days before had something to do with. I found it really stupid when Mark threw out that crap he wasn't a top 50 player. In my book Scottie is in the discussion for top 25

 

[houheffna]

Scottie is top 50 in my opinion...however, he is not top 25...

 

[mlewinth]

Kush77 wrote:
I'm just giving you a hard time Fred. I plan on making it a running theme on my show
I wish they had a "like" button on here like on Facebook. That is a hell of a theme, I look forward to it!

 

[Fred]

Kush77 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

I'm just giving you a hard time Fred. I plan on making it a running theme on my show.

But can you answer my question about Terrell Davis. The only time I remember him getting a migraine is the Super Bowl? I never heard of him getting them during the next season or his first few years in Denver. Maybe a Broncos fan would know better but I only know of the Super Bowl vs. Green Bay.

Luckily, my brother in law is a diehard Broncos fan. He's 40, so the Davis years were prime years for him. I'll get the scoop.

 

[Fred]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

Ya maybe something like his Father dying a couple days before had something to do with. I found it really stupid when Mark threw out that crap he wasn't a top 50 player. In my book Scottie is in the discussion for top 25

We'll tackle this in the offseason. There is no way, IMO, he's in the top 25. He may be in the 40-50 range. Was he better than Elgin Baylor? How about Clyde Drexler? George Gervin?

 

[Fred]

Kush77 wrote:

Here's the gamer from that migraine game.

Scottie Pippen wasn't the only one to crap his pants in that game. Grant was 3 of 17 and the almighty Craig Hodges was 3 of 13.
.[/i]

I think the question needs to be asked, after listening to your last show...who had the higher TSS?:lol:

 

[Fred]

Kush77 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

I'm just giving you a hard time Fred. I plan on making it a running theme on my show.

But can you answer my question about Terrell Davis. The only time I remember him getting a migraine is the Super Bowl? I never heard of him getting them during the next season or his first few years in Denver. Maybe a Broncos fan would know better but I only know of the Super Bowl vs. Green Bay.

Special thanks to my brother-in-law. It was a chronic condition for T. Davis.
"Terrell Davis is one such famous Migraineur. Born in San Diego, California, on October 28, 1972, Davis began his love of football when he played for a local Pop Warner league at seven years old. Unfortunately that's when his Migraine attacks started too."
http://www.healthcentral.com/migraine/migraineurs-209991-5.html

 

[Fred]

Famous Migraineurs List. Scottie didn't qualify because migraines are characterized as a disease and/or chronic condition that occur often, not just during Game 7 against the Pistons while you're shooting 1-10 and Michael is throwing up numbers just short of a triple double. I'm not doubting he had a headache. I developed one too while watching that game. Just throwing another rock at all those, "Michael never won one with Scottie" Jordan-haters. Michael might have won it all in 90 if someone else would have shown up.

http://www.healthcentral.com/migraine/migraineurs.html

 

[Fred]

This Statistical overview of the 1989-90 playoffs really shows the greatness of Michael Jordan. Notice who leads almost every category. Also notice that Horace Grant led all playoff performers in total offensive rebounds...partly because Jordan was always being triple teamed.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990.html

 

[Fred]

I KNEW I wasn't insane. It was the 89 playoffs where Craig Hodges blew it up, not the 90 playoffs. The Bulls lost in 6 games to the Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals. Here are the overall playoff stats for 1989...check out those made 3-pointers from Craig:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989.html

He also shot 42.3% from the 3-point line during the regular season, in an era where very few players shot it that well.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Damn Fred I never saw somebody posting 7x in a row

 

[Fred]

Bullseye wrote:

Damn Fred I never saw somebody posting 7x in a row

I was in zone Bullseye. I actually turned to my kids and shrugged like Jordan did when he hit the 6 3-pointers in 1 half.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsihXkuxNKw

 

[postdiction]

Fred wrote:

Bullseye wrote:

Damn Fred I never saw somebody posting 7x in a row

I was in zone Bullseye. I actually turned to my kids and shrugged like Jordan did when he hit the 6 3-pointers in 1 half.

ROFL..........hey when you are in the zone, you gotta keep going.

 

[Kush77]

Fred wrote:

Famous Migraineurs List. Scottie didn't qualify because migraines are characterized as a disease and/or chronic condition that occur often, not just during Game 7 against the Pistons while you're shooting 1-10 and Michael is throwing up numbers just short of a triple double. I'm not doubting he had a headache. I developed one too while watching that game. Just throwing another rock at all those, "Michael never won one with Scottie" Jordan-haters. Michael might have won it all in 90 if someone else would have shown up.

http://www.healthcentral.com/migraine/migraineurs.html

Oh, yeah. I'm sure that comprehensive list is the be-all end-all :laugh:

 

[Kush77]

Fred wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Fred wrote:

Let me say, I loved the show, at least until the end when Kush started ripping on me. :lol: My point, that I obviously didn't do a good job getting across, is that migraine headaches are a (in every case I've known) always hereditary or chronic. They don't happen one timeand one time only.

As far as I know, that was the only time Scottie had a migraine headache, and it happened to coincide with the biggest game of his life up until that point. I don't doubt that his head hurt...but it was probably caused by stress, which led to the headache, which led to his horrible play. I doubt that he had the chronic and often hereditary condition know as migraine headaches. I've known people with migraines, and it is very dehabilitating and painful. And they have them often. The headache obviously effected the way he played, because he played like crap.

Let's contrast that with Jordan, who had one of the best games of his life dying of the flu. I was just pointing out a pattern. But Scottie obviously got over it, because he played pretty well in subsequent playoffs on the defensive end.

I'm just giving you a hard time Fred. I plan on making it a running theme on my show.

But can you answer my question about Terrell Davis. The only time I remember him getting a migraine is the Super Bowl? I never heard of him getting them during the next season or his first few years in Denver. Maybe a Broncos fan would know better but I only know of the Super Bowl vs. Green Bay.

Special thanks to my brother-in-law. It was a chronic condition for T. Davis.
"Terrell Davis is one such famous Migraineur. Born in San Diego, California, on October 28, 1972, Davis began his love of football when he played for a local Pop Warner league at seven years old. Unfortunately that's when his Migraine attacks started too."
http://www.healthcentral.com/migraine/migraineurs-209991-5.html

That really did't answer my question.

Having a migraine in a Pop Warner game doesn't equal up to a Game 7 or the Super Bowl.

I want to know did TD ever have a migraine during an AFC title game, or a Wild Card game. Hell, any other regular season NFL game in his career.

You think Pippen was faking because it was Game 7, or faking a migraine. You just think he had a regular headache. And part of that is because it was the biggest game of his life.

Well TD just happened to have a migraine during the biggest game of his life too.

And on the last show I pointed out that this wasn't the first time Pip played against Detroit. Why would he get scared of the Pistons all of the sudden????

 

[Kush77]

Fred wrote:

I KNEW I wasn't insane. It was the 89 playoffs where Craig Hodges blew it up, not the 90 playoffs. The Bulls lost in 6 games to the Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals. Here are the overall playoff stats for 1989...check out those made 3-pointers from Craig:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989.html

He also shot 42.3% from the 3-point line during the regular season, in an era where very few players shot it that well.

And in that very same 1989 playoffs (which I pointed out in the other thread). Scottie Pippen - who's NOT a 3-point specialist- hit 22 3-pointers and shot .393%. Hodges shot .398%. Scottie was 2nd in threes made. I like how you conveniently leave that out. You should work for Fox Noise.

And there were quite a few guys that shot in the low 40's from 3-point range in the late 80s. Man, you love pumping up Craig Hodges.