Rush Limbaugh and JayZ

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I am a black man, a moderate liberal, and I cannot stand Rush Limbaugh...at all. But explain to me why Limbaugh is shut out of the NFL but JayZ is in the NBA? It makes no sense. You all are sensible people, can someone help me out?
 

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dont know who Rush is, but whats wrong Jay-Z? Not his biggest fan but he came from the nothing to being one of the biggest stars in mainstream.
 

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Jay-Z hasn't called for the downfall of the president or the country. He hasn't derided professional athletes of his chosen sport as being propped up by the media for racial bias or compared an NBA game to the crips and bloods.
 

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Understood but JayZ's misogynistic lyrics can be damaging also...
 

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Interesting topic Houston. Bill O'Reilly tackled the subject the other night. I agree with his assesment:

"Fair-minded Americans know that playing the race card is easy and hateful. The only thing we can find about Rush Limbaugh is that he thinks quarterback Donovan McNabb is overrated by some people who want black quarterbacks to succeed. Mr. McNabb resented the remark, as he should have. He's a good player and his color has nothing to do with his performance. I think Limbaugh made a mistake with that analysis, but that doesn't make him a racist and should not disqualify him from owning part of a team.

Let's stop the racial witch-hunting in America."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,567740,00.html

Now, Let's look at the Limbaugh statement about McNabb in its entirity. This statement is the one allegedly keeping Limbaugh out of the NFL:

"Sorry to say this, I don't think he's (McNabb) been that good from the get-go," Limbaugh said. "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

ESPN's official statement, released after the comments
"Although Mr. Limbaugh today stated that his comments had 'no racist intent whatsoever,' we have communicated to Mr. Limbaugh that his comments were insensitive and inappropriate. Throughout his career, he has been consistent in his criticism of the media's coverage of a myriad of issues," the statement read.

I've said many times that Kirk Hinrich is the most overrated Chicago Bulls player in history. Are there racist undertones behind his popularity? I don't think so...I know a ton of Hinrich lovers, and I highly doubt that they are racist. But IMO, the media tends to highlight uniqueness, especially in terms of race. Hinrich is the rare white guard who can actually play at an NBA level, and the media gives him a greater focus. At the time of Limbaugh's comments, McNabb was arguably the best black quarterback in the NFL, but he hadn't made it to a Super Bowl (he would in 2004), and some felt there was a little too much hype about a player with zero Super Bowl appearances. When you get down to it, he was criticizing the media. Was it a dumb statement? Sure. But racist? By that same logic, couldn't you argue that I'm racist against white NBA players because I think Hinrich sucks?

My wife's father moved here from the Phillipines. That country used to be ruled by Ferdinand Marcos for many years. If you were supportive or friendly with Marcos, you could do business there. If not, you couldn't. It's no way to live. If we continue down this path, how long will it be before people are fleeing the U.S., because they aren't in good graces of the ruling political party? Regardless of how you feel about Limbaugh, it's something to consider.

So when you get down to it, Houston brought up a good point. We're walking down a slippery slope when you start preventing people from completing business transactions in a free market because they have different political viewpoints than you. In fact, that's anything but a free market. There is nothing wrong with Jay-Z owning a team. There is nothing wrong with Rush Limbaugh owning a team. And there is nothing wrong with me owning the Bulls, with the possible exception that my first move would be to trade Kirk Hinrich for a real nice backboard.
 

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Jay-Z hasn't called for the downfall of the president or the country. He hasn't derided professional athletes of his chosen sport as being propped up by the media for racial bias or compared an NBA game to the crips and bloods.

There are many people who disagree with Obama's policies. There were many people that disagreed with Bush's policies. A very small and sick group want to see these men suffer personal misfortune. I don't believe that Limbaugh falls into this group. I believe Limbaugh wants to see his policies fail, just as many people wanted and celebrated the "downfall" of Bush and his policies. Political differences shouldn't keep people from realizing their goals. I don't care if Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, Jimmy Carter, Kanye West, etc. etc...want to buy a team. Let them. If the players and or fans do not want to support that team, then they don't have to support them.

I've always been a fan of Stephen A. Smith, and I thought his comments were pretty good on this subject:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/11/stephen_a_smith_on_rush_limbaugh_and_the_rams.html
 

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I agree, and I am actually a fan of Kirk Hinrich. Actually my former barber has already said that Hinrich is overhyped because he is white. I don't think so. Because a lot of white kids look at him as an example? I also disagree that if Larry Bird was black he would be just another player...that is an asinine statement. No one is boycotting Spike Lee movies when he agreed with that statement, and no one had a problem with Isiah, who made the statement moving to NBA corporate.

I guess I am an optimist. I would like to see how Limbaugh would have handled everything in that position. If you are going to succeed in the NFL you need black players...period. I believe some of the vitriol he spits on his radio show might get called out by the media, and one or more of his players. I guarantee you if he had to look someone like Orlando Pace in the face and repeat whatever derogatory statement he made, he would be more careful with his words. Then he might have learned a lesson, a lesson to stop stereotyping and being prejudice of people and judge people as individuals. As for the McNabb statement, he was obviously proven wrong.
 

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houheffna wrote:
I agree, and I am actually a fan of Kirk Hinrich. Actually my former barber has already said that Hinrich is overhyped because he is white. I don't think so. Because a lot of white kids look at him as an example? I also disagree that if Larry Bird was black he would be just another player...that is an asinine statement. No one is boycotting Spike Lee movies when he agreed with that statement, and no one had a problem with Isiah, who made the statement moving to NBA corporate.

Great points. Although I quasi-agree with your barber, although I'm assuming not for the same reasons. There's nothing wrong with Kirk being an inspiration to untalented suburban rich kids in Highland Park. I just don't think the organization should care, and it appears to me that they did in giving the cash to Kirk and shortchaging superior players who didn't have the rabid fan support.

On another note, the 07-08 Kirk Trainwreck was back last Friday. He was absolutely pathetic in that game, on both ends of the floor. Let's hope it's an aberration.
 

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If you take the McNabb quote for what it's worth, it's not racist. The problem though, and Limbaugh did this to himself, is all of the racist comments that Limbaugh has spewed before then.

I'm sure if you look through some of Olbermann's Worst Person In the World's segments you will find a bunch of racist things coming out of Limbaugh's mouth.

The man has no one to blame, except himself for losing out on a chance to own an NFL team.
 

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If you take the McNabb quote for what it's worth, it's not racist. The problem though, and Limbaugh did this to himself, is all of the racist comments that Limbaugh has spewed before then.

I'm sure if you look through some of Olbermann's Worst Person In the World's segments you will find a bunch of racist things coming out of Limbaugh's mouth.

The man has no one to blame, except himself for losing out on a chance to own an NFL team.

You know who agreed with you? Shocked me...Mike North (don't know if you know him, morning sports personality) he said that Limbaugh has to be held accountable for his words like everyone else.

I think my point is that JayZ talks bitches and ho' talk all the time. I see what he is doing, crossing over and projecting a certain image now to protect himself. Its smart of him to do that, but at the same time objectifying women and even making racist statements at times should be intolerable from him too.
 

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I think Rush is smart enough to know a person who earns a living selling racially provocative content to his base will never be mainstream enough to be part owner of a NFL team. I think he just saw this as a opportunity to get publicity, and use himself as a martyr for the first amendment. It's pretty much the same thing he did at ESPN.

I don't think it's fair to put Jay-Z and Rush in the same arena of public accountability. Jay-Z sell entertainment and Rush sells political opinion entertainment. Unfortunately for Rush, when you're involved in politics, things that you say are taken to heart. While no one remembers anything a rapper says shortly after they say it, mostly because of the cover of "art".
 

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JimmyBulls wrote:
I think Rush is smart enough to know a person who earns a living selling racially provocative content to his base will never be mainstream enough to be part owner of a NFL team. I think he just saw this as a opportunity to get publicity, and use himself as a martyr for the first amendment. It's pretty much the same thing he did at ESPN.

I don't think it's fair to put Jay-Z and Rush in the same arena of public accountability. Jay-Z sell entertainment and Rush sells political opinion entertainment. Unfortunately for Rush, when you're involved in politics, things that you say are taken to heart. While no one remembers anything a rapper says shortly after they say it, mostly because of the cover of "art".

Thank you Jimmy,
Rush Limbaugh was not prevented from being an NFL owner because of the Donovan McNabb statement. Limbaugh has been around for decades "Making a living off of extreme political views" and has said numerous statements that could be considered racist and that is his entire goal.
Jay-Z makes music and while some lyrics may be controversial he has never been a shock rapper, saying things to get attention. Nas would be a better example, he made an album called Ni**er and they had to change the name. He has traditionally been more controversial and could understand if someone had a problem with Nas being an owner.
Also Isaiah Thomas' statement although ignorant, was a statement against the white majority. Of course it might have been racist but when you are part of a minority there is more leway because if you don't speak up, whether wrong or right no change can take place. Sometimes you need a minority leader willing to stick his neck out and say wait a second this could be racist.
Why is David Lee the most popular Knick by far? Why was Jason Williams the most popular player in the NBA one year? How come an NBA fight is considered horrific and barbaric, when a baseball fight is considered good old boys just getting in a good old scuffle?
 

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??? ?????? wrote:
If you take the McNabb quote for what it's worth, it's not racist. The problem though, and Limbaugh did this to himself, is all of the racist comments that Limbaugh has spewed before then.

I'm sure if you look through some of Olbermann's Worst Person In the World's segments you will find a bunch of racist things coming out of Limbaugh's mouth.

The man has no one to blame, except himself for losing out on a chance to own an NFL team.

I also would have a problem with Olbermann as well, he is making a living doing political commentary which people can take serious offense too.
 

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oh by the way multiple players came out and said they wouldn't work for Limbaugh, if multiple players came out against Jay-Z maybe he wouldn't be a part owner.

Oh and you can subconsciously racist. Maybe people who like Kirk Hinrich aren't overly racist but they might like him because he is more like them. That is called segregation so while it might not be full out racism, liking a person who is like you is natural, but shouldn't a human being be beyond that?
 

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Humanity is never beyond nature...it is that voyage beyond nature that causes man's impending destruction.

Nothing wrong with a white kid liking Hinrich because he looks like them and is a decent player. That doesn't mean that same kid doesn't like Rose. As far as David Lee, he is a good player on a bad team, that might explain his popularity over someone like Chris Duhon. Isiah's comment was insensitive and stupid. People making silly statements such as that hinder the movement towards civil rights, they don't help. Bird is a top 10 all time player by many people's standards and better than any player in New York Knicks history. Olbermann is not nearly as inflammatory as Limbaugh...he is a political ideologist who has a comic edge, he is not a hatemonger as Limbaugh often comes off being.

It still bothers me that sexism is accepted and ignored. I guess that means JayZ shouldn't own a WNBA team. Yet I believe both should be able to invest in professional sports teams, or at least go through due process. Limbaugh would not have been voted in, but let the process run its course is my point.
 

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Hendu0520 wrote:
JimmyBulls wrote:
I think Rush is smart enough to know a person who earns a living selling racially provocative content to his base will never be mainstream enough to be part owner of a NFL team. I think he just saw this as a opportunity to get publicity, and use himself as a martyr for the first amendment. It's pretty much the same thing he did at ESPN.

I don't think it's fair to put Jay-Z and Rush in the same arena of public accountability. Jay-Z sell entertainment and Rush sells political opinion entertainment. Unfortunately for Rush, when you're involved in politics, things that you say are taken to heart. While no one remembers anything a rapper says shortly after they say it, mostly because of the cover of "art".

Thank you Jimmy,
Rush Limbaugh was not prevented from being an NFL owner because of the Donovan McNabb statement. Limbaugh has been around for decades "Making a living off of extreme political views" and has said numerous statements that could be considered racist and that is his entire goal.
Jay-Z makes music and while some lyrics may be controversial he has never been a shock rapper, saying things to get attention. Nas would be a better example, he made an album called Ni**er and they had to change the name. He has traditionally been more controversial and could understand if someone had a problem with Nas being an owner.
Also Isaiah Thomas' statement although ignorant, was a statement against the white majority. Of course it might have been racist but when you are part of a minority there is more leway because if you don't speak up, whether wrong or right no change can take place. Sometimes you need a minority leader willing to stick his neck out and say wait a second this could be racist.
Why is David Lee the most popular Knick by far? Why was Jason Williams the most popular player in the NBA one year? How come an NBA fight is considered horrific and barbaric, when a baseball fight is considered good old boys just getting in a good old scuffle?

"Why is the sky blue?, Why is water wet?, Why did Judist rap to Romans while Jesus slept?"
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"Why is the sky blue?, Why is water wet?, Why did Judist rap to Romans while Jesus slept?"
-Ghostface Killah on 4th Chamber

Going to see him at HOB next month...
 

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