Sam Smith on Tyrus

dougthonus

New member
Joined:
Mar 13, 2009
Posts:
2,665
Liked Posts:
9
I misread it, and thought it said "offered a deal" instead of "offered in a deal". That one word sure makes a big difference :laugh:

I am sort of indifferent to Tyrus. He can't be a centerpiece, but he can still be a piece. However, he's the type of piece you don't mind losing. I don't ever feel a dire need to kick people off the team who are making under 4 million dollars.

You're not going to get a better player than Tyrus for 3.7 million.
 

Ralphb07

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
490
Liked Posts:
0
Location:
Palm Bay FL
Doug what happens if you buy a player out. Does that save you money cap wise or no
 

Ralphb07

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
490
Liked Posts:
0
Location:
Palm Bay FL
Tim Thomas: Another of the expiring contracts picked up to move Larry Hughes. It was surprising he didn’t get more time against the Celtics after playing briefly in the first game. He handled himself professionally and never complained, but was disappointed and confused. He said after Saturday’s game he doesn’t expect to be with the team next season. He could be bought out as the team doesn’t want to lose his expiring contract status.
 

dougthonus

New member
Joined:
Mar 13, 2009
Posts:
2,665
Liked Posts:
9
Only if the buyout is for less than his existing contract. The buyout amount goes on the cap.
 

Diddy1122

I ain't your pal dickface
Joined:
Mar 30, 2009
Posts:
4,459
Liked Posts:
1,155
Location:
Chicago
Tyrus needs his own personal coach to improve his bball IQ which is sadly at about a 20 right now. If Tyrus had Noah or Miller's bball IQ, he would be close to a 20-10 guy right now. Will he ever get it? I don't know, and we really can't wait around much longer for the light to finally switch on.

Players like Tyrus, J.R. Smith, and even Josh Smith for that matter, frustrate me. These guys possess unbelievable athletic gifts from God that should make them better than anyone on the floor. But none of them are particularly smart when it comes to the game, and don't seem all to interested to put the extra work in to become really good players.
 

Ralphb07

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
490
Liked Posts:
0
Location:
Palm Bay FL
dougthonus wrote:
Only if the buyout is for less than his existing contract. The buyout amount goes on the cap.

The reason I'm asking is Smith said Timmy doesn't expect to be back and Smith suggests a buyout. So we might be able to save money that way
 

??? ??????

New member
Joined:
Apr 2, 2009
Posts:
2,435
Liked Posts:
4
Location:
Columbia, MO
What exactly would we trade Thomas for?

Will he be the sacrificial lamb to make room for Gordon's contract? Trade him for a future first to a team with capspace?

Are Bosh, Boozer, or Amare realistic? And is Tyrus and expirings enough to get one of those guys?

Would it be for a solid big man like Chris Kaman or Tyson Chandler?
 

TheStig

New member
Joined:
Apr 5, 2009
Posts:
3,636
Liked Posts:
38
I don't think this is anything new, TT has been offered in trades before. I think its clear we need to upgrade the pf spot.
 

Newskoolbulls

New member
Joined:
Mar 28, 2009
Posts:
2,897
Liked Posts:
9
Location:
Bullspodcasters>Any other bulls board
Thank God. I want him gone but I dont want to just give him away.
 

Ralphb07

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
490
Liked Posts:
0
Location:
Palm Bay FL
I'm really on the fence with Thomas. He pisses me off a lot but this was his 1st year playing and improved and is still young. I think Vinny is right though Tyrus needs to figure out if he wants to be a inside guy or outside guy.

if we can't land a premiere PF I wouldn't mind drafting Blair and pairing him with Thomas. If Thomas puts the work in again and gets smarter we'll see. I just don't see any major changes with this team. I see us going with what we have plus the 2 picks
 

clonetrooper264

Retired Bandwagon Mod
Staff member
Donator
Joined:
Apr 11, 2009
Posts:
23,579
Liked Posts:
7,408
My favorite teams
  1. Chicago Cubs
  1. Chicago Bulls
  2. Golden State Warriors
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
Diddy1122 wrote:
Tyrus needs his own personal coach to improve his bball IQ which is sadly at about a 20 right now. If Tyrus had Noah or Miller's bball IQ, he would be close to a 20-10 guy right now. Will he ever get it? I don't know, and we really can't wait around much longer for the light to finally switch on.

Players like Tyrus, J.R. Smith, and even Josh Smith for that matter, frustrate me. These guys possess unbelievable athletic gifts from God that should make them better than anyone on the floor. But none of them are particularly smart when it comes to the game, and don't seem all to interested to put the extra work in to become really good players.
Shoot Tyrus could hire me as his personal coach to improve his IQ. I'm pretty sure I know boatloads more than he does right now. Sigh...such a waste of talent. Still he can block shots and dunk, so he can still contribute in that way. I guess Blair would be a good draft pick to pair with Tyrus seeing as everyone's talking about him.
 

Dpauley23

New member
Joined:
Mar 30, 2009
Posts:
1,496
Liked Posts:
4
I emailed Sam to see what he thinks we'll do and if we have enough to acquire the superstarts
 

wjb1492

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
128
Liked Posts:
1
Location:
Oklahoma
I'm kind of on the fence with Tyrus, too. Part of me wants him to go elsewhere he can get some PT, but I can also see him still turning into a really good, possibly great player and being pissed at what we could have had with a little more patience. On the other hand, if he can be included in a trade for a clear upgrade, I don't see how you pass it up.

It's kind of like the argument about him "not getting it" for 3 years - do you look at it and say he's had 3 coaches and all of them seem to have given up on him to some extent, or do you look at it and say he's a really young guy without a long history of organized basketball who hasn't had a chance with consistent coaching yet?

Barring the org stepping up to pay the LT, I know it's really impossible that the team will look the same next year. And I know they need to be looking to make some improvements. There will be fewer minutes with Lu back anyway, and if they bring anyone else in someone has got to go or be content with spending a lot of time on the bench - but at the same time I like the guys in the rotation and really wish there were some way to keep them together one more year and see what they could do.
 

dougthonus

New member
Joined:
Mar 13, 2009
Posts:
2,665
Liked Posts:
9
Ralphb07 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
Only if the buyout is for less than his existing contract. The buyout amount goes on the cap.

The reason I'm asking is Smith said Timmy doesn't expect to be back and Smith suggests a buyout. So we might be able to save money that way

Maybe, but I doubt Timmy would give us back any real money in a buyout. He has no reason to, he doesn't know if he could even get the vet minimum in the league. Maybe if he could get a contract from another team on the condition of a buyout he'd give up half the difference or something, but I doubt it'd be much.
 

dougthonus

New member
Joined:
Mar 13, 2009
Posts:
2,665
Liked Posts:
9
I think people should stop saying VDN gave up on Tyrus.

He may have given up on him to some degree in the playoff series, but he played him a lot this year, and the minutes increased as the season went on.
 

maq25060

New member
Joined:
Apr 15, 2009
Posts:
164
Liked Posts:
0
yeah, i think VDN did the right thing with tyrus during the season and playoffs. he let him improve considerably during the season but when it came to crunch time in the playoffs he went with the most effective players and there is no way you can blame him for that

im done with tyrus...the only he's going to get any better is if he starts to study the game. not study film, or practice more jumpers...but really study the game within itself so that he can start to read plays.
 

wjb1492

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
128
Liked Posts:
1
Location:
Oklahoma
dougthonus wrote:
I think people should stop saying VDN gave up on Tyrus.

He may have given up on him to some degree in the playoff series, but he played him a lot this year, and the minutes increased as the season went on.

Well, I agree - I was really unclear there. I wasn't trying to say that Vinny gave up on him - he did keep him in the starting lineup to the end, and I honestly do believe that Vinny at times forgets about subbing guys back in.

But I keep hearing that argument from people, that 3 coaches "gave up" on Tyrus and that tells you all you need to know. I'm most definitely in the "dude's had 3 different coaches in 3 years, and he has still improved" camp. It's all in how you look at it.

And I should have said "can get some more PT," not implied he doesn't get any. But yes, I was still fixating on the end of the Boston series - he has been averaging around 30 minutes since January through Game 6, and I should have checked instead of just running with the 17 minutes in Game 7 that I was thinking of.
 

dougthonus

New member
Joined:
Mar 13, 2009
Posts:
2,665
Liked Posts:
9
Well, I agree - I was really unclear there. I wasn't trying to say that Vinny gave up on him - he did keep him in the starting lineup to the end, and I honestly do believe that Vinny at times forgets about subbing guys back in.

I wasn't speaking to anyone in particular. I'm not even sure if someone said that in this thread, just that i've read that a lot recently that VDN gave up on Tyrus and now three coaches have given up on Tyrus, so Tyrus must be bad because it was three coaches.

Well Skiles didn't give up on Tyrus, he played him more the longer he coached him (for whatever that is worth).

Boylan didn't give up on him either, as he played him more as the season went on (probably had no choice in that, but the result is still that as the season went on Tyrus's minutes went up).

VDN didn't give up on him either, he played him more and more as his season went on.

So there are three coaches who each played Tyrus more as time went on rather than less. This isn't to say Tyrus is their favorite guy or best player, but just a note that none of them exhibited patterns of giving up on him.

We gave up on Tim Thomas this year. Notice how he played some, then his playing time went to zero. That's giving up on someone.
 

Ralphb07

New member
Joined:
Mar 29, 2009
Posts:
490
Liked Posts:
0
Location:
Palm Bay FL
I really won't be upset if the same team minus BG comes back and we just add the two draft picks. The main person is Rose and that's all that really matters......

Tyrus improved I just want him to make better decision and work just as hard this offseason. This was his 1st playoff series so we can't be so hard on him and he did improve this year from last and if he improves more next year than this year everything is okay

My main thing is we need to add depth at that spot. Tyrus is the only PF on the team and we need help there
 

Top