Should the Cubs Be Open To Trading Carlos Marmol?

Should the Cubs look to trade Carlos Marmol?

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ZAN

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Marmol might be the most dominating closer in the league when he is on his game. There are a LOT of teams in the hunt this year, with all the parity through the first 2/5 of the year. Do you think the Cubs are best served to try to firesale anyone and everyone except Starlin, Barney, Vitters, Colvin (I'd argue his stock might be as high as it ever will be again; and we missed the sell high train last year), Jackson, Carpenter, etc...(the young kids)? I think most would reasonably argue that you need the tools to GET TO the 9th inning with a lead before you worry about the 9th inning.

The Cubs are in rebuild mode. With Cashner's shoulder injury, maybe we are worried about his longevity. His stuff is very good, no doubt. Marmol sure as hell fits in our future as the closer of this team. But if Cashner proves that he can't be a ML starter due to the the strain of trying to throw 200 innings, do you think the Cubs are better served by trying to move Carlos Marmol for a high end prospect? This would allow Cashner to throw 70, or so, innings a year as a closer, like he was at TCU...where he was able to show off that big Texas fastball on his way to 9 saves in his only season at the college level.

My thoughts:

Shelby Miller - Saint Louis Cardinals - RHP
This kid has a plus to plus-plus fastball, plus breaking stuff, and has started to develop his change up this season. His changeup is average, and not quite MLB ready. But the kid doesn't underwhelm. He's got strikeout stuff. His control has improved. He's only 20. Believe it or not, the Cardinals are higher on Miller than they were on Garcia. They think he's a future number 2 behind Wainwright (prior to the TJ); but could eventually become an ace to the staff. The Cardinals pressing need for a closer leaves them in search. Granted, they are in the division and probably wouldn't want to deal their top prospect. It's a pipe dream...but one worth thinking about.


Manny Banuelos - New York Yankees - LHP
This kid has smoldering stuff, and checks in anywhere between 35 and 40 in MOST top prospects lists. The Yankees think that this kid is capable of taking over for Mariano Rivera if/when "Enter Sandman" retires. But, it's no secret that the Yankees have been sending advanced scouts on the road with the Cubs to look at everyone from Carlos Zambrano, to Geovany Soto, to Ryan Dempster, to even Soriano (yes, I said Soriano...again, a pipe dream). I would be thrilled to get this kid, as he's very capable of becoming an elite pitcher whether it be in the late innings, or as a starter. He is 20 years old with a plus to plus-plus fastball (typically around 95, but can ramp it up to 97 or 98), with a plus breaking ball, and an average changeup. No doubt, if the Yankees are dealing with the Cubs, the Cubs will be talking to New York about Manny Banuelos or C - Jesus Montero (who is also in the Top 50 MLB prospects).


Jonathan Singleton - Philadelphia Phillies - 1B

This kid is BIG. He hits for average and for power. He's not overly fast, but can also play the outfield. But with Ryan Howard at 1B, and Domonic Brown emerging as the next Jayson Werth, this kid is more than likely big time trade bait for the Phillies. Madson has done well for Philadelphia, but it's no secret that Rich Dubee is not a huge fan of Madson, and Charlie Manuel is really not in love with Madson, either. With Lidge's injury history and roller-coaster success, the Phillies could really use some bullpen help. They just released J.C. Romero, and are struggling with the set-up innings. By trading for a Carlos Marmol, they are able to move Madson back into the set-up role, along with Jose Contreras (who's really scuffling after his return from the DL).

Feel free to add your own thoughts, opinions, or prospects that you think the Cubs should look into by dealing/not dealing the high-end closer, Marmol.
 
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Maybe you should move this to the Cubs forum...
 
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My, bad. It's early! Haha.

Could a mod please move this to the Cubs forum?
 

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Nevertheless, the Cubs should be open to trading Marmol for 4-5 prospects. 1 or 2 of which who should be MLB ready.

There shouldn't be a player on the Cubs right now who isn't open to being traded.
 

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Nevertheless, the Cubs should be open to trading Marmol for 4-5 prospects. 1 or 2 of which who should be MLB ready.

There shouldn't be a player on the Cubs right now who isn't open to being traded.

4-5??? Ain't that a bit much? Just saying...
 

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4-5 is a bit much.

I want 1, MLB ready by September of next year, IMPACT prospect if we are going to give up a pure, stuff, shutdown, capable of striking out the side (or walking the bases loaded) type closer. Rothschild is familiar with Marmol. I REALLLY like a Banuelos for Marmol deal. I like a Shelby Miller deal more. Marmol is exactly what the Cardinals need, but I doubt the Cardinals are going to trade a future ace for him. I doubt the Pirates would trade Jameson Taillon, either (though he's 2 years out).

I don't want a slosh of 3-4 "B-rated" prospects who will end up journeymen. Marmol is an all-star reliever. I want one solid player for Marmol.

Also...Starlin Castro is untouchable. I think that goes without saying. I think you try to hold onto Cashner, Vitters, and Jackson, too.
 

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And Garza was a "top pitcher" (keep in mind he was supposed to be a 3.3-3.5 ERA with a 1.2-1.3 WHIP in the NL, while being top 10-15 in Ks; and he may very well end around there...he hasn't shown it, thus far) and all the Rays really got for him was Chris Archer. Hak Ju Lee may be a dominant basestealer, but he struggles to get on base. Sam Fuld is a glorified 5th outfielder. Robinson Chirinos? Probably not going to see much field for the Rays.

Yeah, maybe we get 1-3 prospects for Marmol. But not 4-5. It's not like he's going to throw 200 innings, like Garza is supposed to.

I'm saying, if we move Marmol...whatever organization is giving him up is going to be giving us their top prospect. If that's it, I'm content with it. I just don't want a pile of slop like the Cubs gave up for Garza (in my opinion, Garza hasn't pitched well and we still came out on top of that deal). The only guy (and he's STILL a ways from being ready) that's going to make a possible impact on the ML level in that Garza deal, is Chris Archer. And it may be a minimal. If we move Marmol. Make it a 1-for-1 or 1-for-2 where at least one of the guys we receive is a no-brainer ML top of the rotation, or everyday position player by 2012. The other can be longshot slop, for all I care.
 

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If they get GREAT package sure but i dont see teams overpaying for RP
 

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If they can get a team to overpay for him, then I'm fine w/ trading him. I'm assuming that Chris Carpenter would take over as the team's long-term closer
 

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1 high end prospect

1 mid level

1 low level (hopeful gem)

Should be plenty.
 

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No. He's 28, really good, and making 6 or 7 mill a year. I want that on THIS team.
 

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Marmol would've brought more back in a trade if they had traded him prior to his arbitration raise this offseason. With the extension, he's now worth less in a trade because of the cost of his contract despite his production. I hate it when GMs overpay for relievers.
 

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Marmol would've brought more back in a trade if they had traded him prior to his arbitration raise this offseason. With the extension, he's now worth less in a trade because of the cost of his contract despite his production. I hate it when GMs overpay for relievers.

:clap::clap::clap: right on point.
 
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