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Marmol might be the most dominating closer in the league when he is on his game. There are a LOT of teams in the hunt this year, with all the parity through the first 2/5 of the year. Do you think the Cubs are best served to try to firesale anyone and everyone except Starlin, Barney, Vitters, Colvin (I'd argue his stock might be as high as it ever will be again; and we missed the sell high train last year), Jackson, Carpenter, etc...(the young kids)? I think most would reasonably argue that you need the tools to GET TO the 9th inning with a lead before you worry about the 9th inning.
The Cubs are in rebuild mode. With Cashner's shoulder injury, maybe we are worried about his longevity. His stuff is very good, no doubt. Marmol sure as hell fits in our future as the closer of this team. But if Cashner proves that he can't be a ML starter due to the the strain of trying to throw 200 innings, do you think the Cubs are better served by trying to move Carlos Marmol for a high end prospect? This would allow Cashner to throw 70, or so, innings a year as a closer, like he was at TCU...where he was able to show off that big Texas fastball on his way to 9 saves in his only season at the college level.
My thoughts:
Shelby Miller - Saint Louis Cardinals - RHP
This kid has a plus to plus-plus fastball, plus breaking stuff, and has started to develop his change up this season. His changeup is average, and not quite MLB ready. But the kid doesn't underwhelm. He's got strikeout stuff. His control has improved. He's only 20. Believe it or not, the Cardinals are higher on Miller than they were on Garcia. They think he's a future number 2 behind Wainwright (prior to the TJ); but could eventually become an ace to the staff. The Cardinals pressing need for a closer leaves them in search. Granted, they are in the division and probably wouldn't want to deal their top prospect. It's a pipe dream...but one worth thinking about.
Manny Banuelos - New York Yankees - LHP
This kid has smoldering stuff, and checks in anywhere between 35 and 40 in MOST top prospects lists. The Yankees think that this kid is capable of taking over for Mariano Rivera if/when "Enter Sandman" retires. But, it's no secret that the Yankees have been sending advanced scouts on the road with the Cubs to look at everyone from Carlos Zambrano, to Geovany Soto, to Ryan Dempster, to even Soriano (yes, I said Soriano...again, a pipe dream). I would be thrilled to get this kid, as he's very capable of becoming an elite pitcher whether it be in the late innings, or as a starter. He is 20 years old with a plus to plus-plus fastball (typically around 95, but can ramp it up to 97 or 98), with a plus breaking ball, and an average changeup. No doubt, if the Yankees are dealing with the Cubs, the Cubs will be talking to New York about Manny Banuelos or C - Jesus Montero (who is also in the Top 50 MLB prospects).
Jonathan Singleton - Philadelphia Phillies - 1B
This kid is BIG. He hits for average and for power. He's not overly fast, but can also play the outfield. But with Ryan Howard at 1B, and Domonic Brown emerging as the next Jayson Werth, this kid is more than likely big time trade bait for the Phillies. Madson has done well for Philadelphia, but it's no secret that Rich Dubee is not a huge fan of Madson, and Charlie Manuel is really not in love with Madson, either. With Lidge's injury history and roller-coaster success, the Phillies could really use some bullpen help. They just released J.C. Romero, and are struggling with the set-up innings. By trading for a Carlos Marmol, they are able to move Madson back into the set-up role, along with Jose Contreras (who's really scuffling after his return from the DL).
Feel free to add your own thoughts, opinions, or prospects that you think the Cubs should look into by dealing/not dealing the high-end closer, Marmol.
The Cubs are in rebuild mode. With Cashner's shoulder injury, maybe we are worried about his longevity. His stuff is very good, no doubt. Marmol sure as hell fits in our future as the closer of this team. But if Cashner proves that he can't be a ML starter due to the the strain of trying to throw 200 innings, do you think the Cubs are better served by trying to move Carlos Marmol for a high end prospect? This would allow Cashner to throw 70, or so, innings a year as a closer, like he was at TCU...where he was able to show off that big Texas fastball on his way to 9 saves in his only season at the college level.
My thoughts:
Shelby Miller - Saint Louis Cardinals - RHP
This kid has a plus to plus-plus fastball, plus breaking stuff, and has started to develop his change up this season. His changeup is average, and not quite MLB ready. But the kid doesn't underwhelm. He's got strikeout stuff. His control has improved. He's only 20. Believe it or not, the Cardinals are higher on Miller than they were on Garcia. They think he's a future number 2 behind Wainwright (prior to the TJ); but could eventually become an ace to the staff. The Cardinals pressing need for a closer leaves them in search. Granted, they are in the division and probably wouldn't want to deal their top prospect. It's a pipe dream...but one worth thinking about.
Manny Banuelos - New York Yankees - LHP
This kid has smoldering stuff, and checks in anywhere between 35 and 40 in MOST top prospects lists. The Yankees think that this kid is capable of taking over for Mariano Rivera if/when "Enter Sandman" retires. But, it's no secret that the Yankees have been sending advanced scouts on the road with the Cubs to look at everyone from Carlos Zambrano, to Geovany Soto, to Ryan Dempster, to even Soriano (yes, I said Soriano...again, a pipe dream). I would be thrilled to get this kid, as he's very capable of becoming an elite pitcher whether it be in the late innings, or as a starter. He is 20 years old with a plus to plus-plus fastball (typically around 95, but can ramp it up to 97 or 98), with a plus breaking ball, and an average changeup. No doubt, if the Yankees are dealing with the Cubs, the Cubs will be talking to New York about Manny Banuelos or C - Jesus Montero (who is also in the Top 50 MLB prospects).
Jonathan Singleton - Philadelphia Phillies - 1B
This kid is BIG. He hits for average and for power. He's not overly fast, but can also play the outfield. But with Ryan Howard at 1B, and Domonic Brown emerging as the next Jayson Werth, this kid is more than likely big time trade bait for the Phillies. Madson has done well for Philadelphia, but it's no secret that Rich Dubee is not a huge fan of Madson, and Charlie Manuel is really not in love with Madson, either. With Lidge's injury history and roller-coaster success, the Phillies could really use some bullpen help. They just released J.C. Romero, and are struggling with the set-up innings. By trading for a Carlos Marmol, they are able to move Madson back into the set-up role, along with Jose Contreras (who's really scuffling after his return from the DL).
Feel free to add your own thoughts, opinions, or prospects that you think the Cubs should look into by dealing/not dealing the high-end closer, Marmol.
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