Should we panic about Edwin Jackson?

[nwfisch]

http://worldseriesdreaming.com/2013/05/02/should-we-panic-about-edwin-jackson/

Agendaz and stuffz

 

[Mr. Cub]

Yes. And now we should worry even more about Sveum's dumb ass decisions. Who would bring in a struggling ass Camp in a 1 run game when virtually anyone else in the blowpen is available? Why not Gregg? He could've got a 5 out save. Just dumb. Rant.

And Jackson has been our worst starter so far. Everyone else has been solid. Wood and Villanueva are good and get little to no support. Shark always has to **** one inning up and Feldman seems to be getting it together.
But, when Garza comes back who gets bumped? Jackson is an expensive 'pen piece.

 

[SilenceS]

Feldman will get bumped. Wood and Villanueva will come back down to Earth. Pitching way above their heads. They are back of the rotation starters pitching like they are 1's. I would not worry so much about Jackson. His ERA is 6.27 but his FIP is 3.48 and his XFIP is a 3.69. He will start stringing together some good starts. He is getting unlucky as well. The only thing worrisome about him is he has lost velocity the past two years. That trend cant continue or it could wind up being a big problem. Jackson was signed to eat innings and keep the Cubs in games. I think he will be able to accomplish that.

 

[dabynsky]

Feldman will get bumped. Wood and Villanueva will come back down to Earth. Pitching way above their heads. They are back of the rotation starters pitching like they are 1's. I would not worry so much about Jackson. His ERA is 6.27 but his FIP is 3.48 and his XFIP is a 3.69. He will start stringing together some good starts. He is getting unlucky as well. The only thing worrisome about him is he has lost velocity the past two years. That trend cant continue or it could wind up being a big problem. Jackson was signed to eat innings and keep the Cubs in games. I think he will be able to accomplish that.

Largely agree, but the loss in velocity hasn't decreased the rate he is striking guys out. His K% has actually increased the past two seasons as his velocity has declined. I agree there is some bad luck in play right now, but he also is struggling with his command badly with a high walk rate and the ball getting crushed when he has to lay it in there to get a strike.

 

[Willrust]

I mentioned Jackson's issue pitching at Wrigley, and everyone said it was a small sample size. I pointed out that Jackson pitched well against the Cubs everywhere but Wrigley, and it was overlooked. Now, it is looking spot on.

 

[SilenceS]

When you walk a 11 batters in 3 starts at Wrigley. I guess you are going to get in trouble. I would not put that on the ball park. He has only allowed 1 home run at Wrigley this year.

 

[patg006]

Everybody has a bad year, bad game, bad streak. I recall critics of Adam Dunn after his first year with the White Sox shut up pretty quick last year.

To Willrust's point, he seriously needs a better go-to pitch than that god damn low 2 seam fastball that's a wild pitch. Hitters are not fooled by that thing.

Let's see if he's a summer bloomer.

 

[KBisBack!]

The panic should have begun the minute he was signed.

Everyone pooped their pants everytime Hendry signed a player that had played on like 6 times in 7 years or something.

This is his 8th team in 9 years and because it was Epstein and Co, most got sticky palms over it.

And I believe he had 3 starts prior to this year at Wrigley Field which would be stupid to consider enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions from.

 

[DewsSox79]

Everybody has a bad year, bad game, bad streak. I recall critics of Adam Dunn after his first year with the White Sox shut up pretty quick last year.

To Willrust's point, he seriously needs a better go-to pitch than that god damn low 2 seam fastball that's a wild pitch. Hitters are not fooled by that thing.

Let's see if he's a summer bloomer.

no. see capt serious and brett05 they still arent silenced allbeit with no arguement. as far as jackson is concerned, hes a waste of paper. he really isnt that good no matter what his FIP says (ya know the metric that people cherry pick when they are looking for positives) his ERA+ is a 64 to go along with his 6.27 ERA WHIP of 1.606. he has been on a decline the last 4 years. great he ks a lot of guys but add the hits and walks and his IP is going to blow. he has never been a consistent eatings eater starter so add that to a pitcher on the decline it looks like a pretty shitty contract. he wont be relevant when the cubs start to contend again, he is a risk that theo took to hope he plays well enough to deal as the price (specs and or contract) become inflated.

 

[SilenceS]

no. see capt serious and brett05 they still arent silenced allbeit with no arguement. as far as jackson is concerned, hes a waste of paper. he really isnt that good no matter what his FIP says (ya know the metric that people cherry pick when they are looking for positives) his ERA+ is a 64 to go along with his 6.27 ERA WHIP of 1.606. he has been on a decline the last 4 years. great he ks a lot of guys but add the hits and walks and his IP is going to blow. he has never been a consistent eatings eater starter so add that to a pitcher on the decline it looks like a pretty shitty contract. he wont be relevant when the cubs start to contend again, he is a risk that theo took to hope he plays well enough to deal as the price (specs and or contract) become inflated.

Ummm his low for innings pitched have been 183 in the past 5 years. How is he not an innings eater? Also, FIP is not a cherry picked stat. Its a stat that is used to show mor accurately how a pitcher is pitching. His walks are a big deal, but its also been 6 starts. Im not looking for positives. I just unnderstand that ERA doesnt tell the whole story especially with a bad defense. Jackson is no world beater, but he was signed to eat innings and keep Cubs in the game. I dont think anyone ever thought he was a top of the rotation player.

 

[CSF77]

Kinda worried but I like looking over a larger span to get a better opinion. Wood has been pretty much constant to this point. Feldman's last to games have been a marked improvement. Villenueva looked normal #5 last game. We will see next game.

But with these puff teams that they have been going trough, Jackson has looked like crap. Even Feldman mowed over the Pads and he couldn't. That is a concern.

But I'd wait until when Garza gets back. Things change.

Had to guess right now Feldman would stick to the rotation to up his trade value. They signed him to flip him. He has less flip value as a BP. All or nothing with him.

Jackson they may put into the pen if he is not effective. They have a 4 year investment with him. They have to get some return value.

 

[brett05]

no. see capt serious and brett05 they still arent silenced allbeit with no arguement.

Revisionist history. You were the one that set the total of 24. Only Waldo (IIRC) went under. You got fired faster than Jimmy the Greek.

 

[chibears55]

panic ? why ? were they suppose to win something this year and they were counting on him ?

edwin jackson was signed to be nothing more then a vet starter who they know they can plug in every 5th game this year and prob. next year..
while they wait for prospects like vizcaino and whoever they grab at no.2 in june to go with samardzija..
those 3 most likely will be in the 2015 rotation , along with maybe david price if they go hard after him this off season..

being that he only 29, IF he somehow figures out how to an effective starter and wins games they have the option of holding him for yr 3 and 4 or he could end up being trade bait in a couple years for a team looking to add a veteran starter to fill a 3-5 slot and affordable at 13 mil per.

 

[KBIB]

Cubs never should have signed him.

Wasted money to try and appease fans who want things now instead of building this team correctly.

Stick to the plan, Theo. Who cares what fans think.


Beef

 

[Capt. Serious]

no. see capt serious and brett05 they still arent silenced allbeit with no arguement. as far as jackson is concerned, hes a waste of paper. he really isnt that good no matter what his FIP says (ya know the metric that people cherry pick when they are looking for positives) his ERA+ is a 64 to go along with his 6.27 ERA WHIP of 1.606. he has been on a decline the last 4 years. great he ks a lot of guys but add the hits and walks and his IP is going to blow. he has never been a consistent eatings eater starter so add that to a pitcher on the decline it looks like a pretty shitty contract. he wont be relevant when the cubs start to contend again, he is a risk that theo took to hope he plays well enough to deal as the price (specs and or contract) become inflated.

What do me & brett have to do with this?

Despite having having Tommy John surgery, trading Huddy for this bum was a mistake.

 

[AmericanFlyer1]

Cubs never should have signed him.

Wasted money to try and appease fans who want things now instead of building this team correctly.

Stick to the plan, Theo. Who cares what fans think.


Beef

Bwwwaaahhhh!!!! Which fans would they be? LMAO!

 

[DewsSox79]

Revisionist history. You were the one that set the total of 24. Only Waldo (IIRC) went under. You got fired faster than Jimmy the Greek.

lol what? its an over/under and it has to be realistic coming from 2011 season. i took the over since you cant read. wow. try again kid.

 

[DewsSox79]

What do me & brett have to do with this?

Despite having having Tommy John surgery, trading Huddy for this bum was a mistake.

see dunn comment a few posts up.

 

[CSF77]

I'd plug him into the pen when Garza gets back. We have to figure that Garza, Feldman and Villenueva are going to be show cased for the deadline. Jackson has a few years to go and him figuring it out in mop up duty for 2 months is not going to kill his value when it matters. I would expect Camp and Loe to be cut for Fuji and Garza. Post trade deadline Jackson would get his spot back. Hopefully Baker would have recovered by that point too.

 

[Flacco4Prez]

It's only been a month. He has been horrible but from the start Cubs fans were expecting way too much as usual. Just because the Cubs sign someone the common fan expects unobtainable production. Now obviously it's fair to expect quality starts and late inning starts but I'm talking in general. Every move the Cubs make brings in undeserved optimism that is unfair to those involved.