Stop Online Piracy Act

[TSD]

Was wondering what Others opinions of this is.



http://en.wikipedia....line_Piracy_Act



Heres a link to the wiki article so you can get an idea of what it is.



I, like alot of people, think this should get killed. Not that I agree with peoples intellectual property getting lifted, but because it will do absolutely shit for stopping online piracy and essentially kill the internet throught broad bullshit wordage. New pirate sites will pop up faster than they can kill them.



This is just a way for the government to sink its hooks into the internet and effectively control it.



We look at nations like china, Iran etc. and ridicule their censorship and restrictions on internet for their people. This is simply the first step in the guise of something else for us.



Sony and Electronic Arts have recently rescinded their support for the bill, that is how bad the public outcry has been against this bill, that Major corporations that stand to seemingly gain from it stop supporting it. Public outcry be damned I guess, our alleged representatives obviously don't care what the people think.



and for those of us that love our free online porn, all it takes is them streaming one video that somehow qualifies as illegal under their broad bullshit legaleese to get the entire site shut down. and you know those fucking assholes will be going right after "immoral" crap on the internet post haste.





and its a bipartisan bill so both of those parties can go **** themselves. If there is one thing fucking politicians can agree on its giving themselves more power.

 

[phranchk]

Sites like Reddit, Youtube, and even facebook could get shutdown by this bill. It would require companies to police every little bit of user generated posts. Hell, even this site could be shutdown if anyone posts anything that would be considered copyrighted and it wasn't caught right away. I think the bill had good intentions at the start but the generality of it would pretty much kill the internet as we know it.

 

[TSD]

Sites like Reddit, Youtube, and even facebook could get shutdown by this bill. It would require companies to police every little bit of user generated posts. Hell, even this site could be shutdown if anyone posts anything that would be considered copyrighted and it wasn't caught right away. I think the bill had good intentions at the start but the generality of it would pretty much kill the internet as we know it.

yeah thats the whole thing, The language is way too broad. Hell under this law IHN can potentially get shut down for images of blackhawk players and such.



Therein lies the problem, like the patriot act being used for things it "wasnt intended for". This will be used for things it isn't intended for. I.E. shutting websites down by finding some ambiguous line in SOPA that allows you to. They won't be able to resist it.

 

[supraman]

As a person that used to pirate games constantly and still does here and there (only if I'm not sure if I wanna buy). First thing, you will never stop piracy, these guys are good, Razor 1911 has been cracking games since the early 2000s. They are basically name brand cracks, if Razor 1911 did you know it works. So they haven't caught these guys. Also no matter how hard you try to stop it, they will find a way. They always have. some companies got wise and stopped putting anti-piracy crap on their discs. They realized that it was going to get pirated anyway so why invest the time and money into stopping something that cannot be stopped.



2nd it would have to be censorship since a lot of pirate sites are not in the US. The Pirate Bay is swedish or something around there and that is a big name torrent site.



3rd **** that, having the internet be the wild wild west is what makes it so great.

 

[TSD]

As a person that used to pirate games constantly and still does here and there (only if I'm not sure if I wanna buy). First thing, you will never stop piracy, these guys are good, Razor 1911 has been cracking games since the early 2000s. They are basically name brand cracks, if Razor 1911 did you know it works. So they haven't caught these guys. Also no matter how hard you try to stop it, they will find a way. They always have. some companies got wise and stopped putting anti-piracy crap on their discs. They realized that it was going to get pirated anyway so why invest the time and money into stopping something that cannot be stopped.



2nd it would have to be censorship since a lot of pirate sites are not in the US. The Pirate Bay is swedish or something around there and that is a big name torrent site.



3rd **** that, having the internet be the wild wild west is what makes it so great.

Although from the governments perspective, I think they know that, they want to control content on the internet, plain and simple, and this is their in. And unless PB wanted to put up mirror sites every hour just for the benefit of americans, the government can use this law to block US based traffic to the PB.

 

[LordKOTL]

It's bipartisan, so you know a larger than usual screwing of the american populace is about to take place.

 

[phranchk]

Sounds like the public outcry was so great that it has been shelved.

 

[CLWolf81]

Sounds like the public outcry was so great that it has been shelved.

I couldn't see it pass anyway. As I have always said, the internet is for porn. The general public has never proved me wrong with their idiocy at times. We love our porn, piracy and downloading. If we gave that up, we'd be like we were in Iran. That would never fly, especially when politicians are looking for our votes this year.



Regardless of whatever political stances we have, a majority of us have a porn stash somewhere on the internet. It beats looking through magazines and buying them at the store, and our Sith Lords in Congress have proven that point yet again.

 

[LordKOTL]

Kinda a social comment here.



Porn notwithstanding (since let's be honest, the internet has made porn more accessible than it was since simetime around ancient rome), I think the reason people do engage in piracy is that most media is not that accessible, and that which is is just too bloody expensive.



Let's think about it for a second. Let's look at something as simple as a hockey game and the NHL:

Tickets to a game run what? $80 for cheap seats--if you can get them...plus concessions, parking and/or public transit to/from games

Then you have to be lucky to have the game broadcast on local OTA (i.e. WGN/NBC) TV, and even if you're in the vicinity of the broadcast, there's no guarentee you'll be able to pull it in. Which means getting at the least a basic cable backage, which runs what? $20-30 per month...but what about Vs games? That's more since it's not basic cable. But then what about NHLN games? That's even more I think around $60/month. And that's not even taking into acount blackout rules. If you're out of market like me, sure, you can get Center ice or Gamecenter Live, which is about $120/year. But you're still subject to blackout rules which means that to catch the games, you're still on the hook for at least a $60/month+ cable package to catch all of the NHLN, Vs, and NBC feed if you can't pull in NBC OTA. Of course, it won't be less because no one allows Cable A La Carte.



Or, you can just find a pirate feed and deal with shitty resolution and run a virus check after the game for free.



Ditto with just about every other form of media.

 

[TSD]

Obama claimed he was against it, so even if it got through the house and senate and he was being genuine, he could have just vetoed it.

 

[supraman]

Although from the governments perspective, I think they know that, they want to control content on the internet, plain and simple, and this is their in. And unless PB wanted to put up mirror sites every hour just for the benefit of americans, the government can use this law to block US based traffic to the PB.

Pirates are a determined bunch, someone would find a backdoor of sorts. The government can't stop it. Every time companies find a new protection pirates find a way around. Oughta unleash Razor 1911 on China.

 

[roshinaya]

All these laws against online piracy is a fight against the windmill's from an industry that needs to adapt or die in the new way media is being distributed and consumed.

 

[LordKOTL]

All these laws against online piracy is a fight against the windmill's from an industry that needs to adapt or die in the new way media is being distributed and consumed.

Exactly. Wasn't it within like 48 hours of release the DRM code for something was cracked just to prove a point? I know thinkgeek.com had a shirt with the code on it.



The best way to stop piracy is to make something accessible at a fair enough pricepoint. Right now, the biggest cause of piracy IMHO is accessibility.

 

[MassHavoc]

SOPA was killed, PIPA still alive. Not that it matters too much because as mentioned Obama said he would kill it.

 

[roshinaya]

They could also try to offer some QUALITY instead of derivative shit.

 

[supraman]

Exactly. Wasn't it within like 48 hours of release the DRM code for something was cracked just to prove a point? I know thinkgeek.com had a shirt with the code on it.



The best way to stop piracy is to make something accessible at a fair enough pricepoint. Right now, the biggest cause of piracy IMHO is accessibility.

Too late for that, at is already out of the bag

 

[TSD]

Exactly. Wasn't it within like 48 hours of release the DRM code for something was cracked just to prove a point? I know thinkgeek.com had a shirt with the code on it.



The best way to stop piracy is to make something accessible at a fair enough pricepoint. Right now, the biggest cause of piracy IMHO is accessibility.

To a point I agree, but lets be realistic, the main argument for pirating music when the music industry initially got shocked by this was having to buy a full cd when you just want one song. Well everyone and their mother still pirates music even though you can buy albums piece meal. As far as music is concerned what the hell else can they do to adapt. You can buy and download a song for a buck. In many places thats cheaper than playing a song at a jukebox in a bar now. Yet thats not good enough.



There are definitely products that are not fairly priced, i.e. windows and most productivity software that deserve to get lifted. As far as games, if companies would release more comprehensive demo's I think you might see less piracy. I DO NOT on the otherhand, believe for a minute piracy will cease if companies stop implementing DRM as many pirates imply.



The bottom line is some people just want shit for free and nothing the establishment does is gonna change that. Take highschool and college students that are strapped for cash and pirate their ass off. You think these people are gonna stop when said industries, meet the pirate representatives demands? Dream on.



So i understand where the industry is coming from, but this bill WAS NOT the answer. Frankly I don't know what is.

 

[LordKOTL]

Piracy will never end because anyone, even the staunchest of capitalists, wants to get everything they want and need for the lowest price possible, preferrably free, I agree wth that. You can only hope to slow it down by offering the best you can at a decent price, and even then you will still get people pirating. This is nothing new. How often did you record a song off of the radio onto a tape?



Really, there is no answer. It's like trying to stop people from going over the speed limit. But one way to make inroads is accessibility (which did make some people buy music than learn how to use a torrent site), and a fair pricepoint. Music may have more accessibility, but TV, Movies, and sports broadcasts don't.

 

[MassHavoc]

As I know my feelings are wrong and misaligned, the piracy of a song or something to the end user, it not that big of deal, there is just so much out there now a days with most of it being shit, that no one wants to pay for it anymore. Real piracy to me is if this stuff was being stolen and then resold for profit to someone else. That absolutely to me is piracy. Or if the product is being deluted, changed, counterfited is some way. but that doesn't really apply here because we are talking about online. The biggest offender here is probably porn, in that it's ripped off and reused for profit all over the place. Music too, but I don't see it being resold as much as just straight up downloaded.

 

[supraman]

As I know my feelings are wrong and misaligned, the piracy of a song or something to the end user, it not that big of deal, there is just so much out there now a days with most of it being shit, that no one wants to pay for it anymore. Real piracy to me is if this stuff was being stolen and then resold for profit to someone else. That absolutely to me is piracy. Or if the product is being deluted, changed, counterfited is some way. but that doesn't really apply here because we are talking about online. The biggest offender here is probably porn, in that it's ripped off and reused for profit all over the place. Music too, but I don't see it being resold as much as just straight up downloaded.

You mean I could start selling my pirated porn collection?