Sullivan says Bullpen is Cubs' strength this year

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Chicago Cubs: Chicago Cubs bullpen looks like club's strength - chicagotribune.com

MESA, Ariz. — In a game of musical chairs in the Cubs' bullpen, the only one left standing from the start of the 2010 season is closer Carlos Marmol.

Sean Marshall and John Grabow have switched roles, former closer Kerry Wood has returned as a setup man and the rest of the cast is to be determined.

The only certainty is Marmol will sit in the same seat in the Wrigley Field bullpen that he has occupied the last four seasons.

"I don't know who I'm sitting between because they change the guys every year," he said with a laugh.


Though the lack of a solid relief corps greased the skids for the Cubs' fall last April and May, an overhauled bullpen finished the season with 28 consecutive scoreless innings, the team's longest streak since 29 1/3 in 1982.

Marmol didn't allow a run in his last 16 appearances, Marshall had 10 consecutive scoreless outings from Sept. 5 on and kids such as Andrew Cashner, James Russell and Scott Maine chipped in as well.

"We had a little less pressure on us for sure toward the end, but some young guys got to learn the hitters and what their strengths were," Marshall said. "It's awesome now that we have Woody back and Grabow is healthy. That weapon is looking pretty good in comparison to last spring training. At least on paper."

The back end of the bullpen — Marmol, Marshall and Wood — compares favorably with any threesome in the National League. But the key to success might be the bridge relievers who have to get the ball from the starters to the Big Three.

Jeff Samardzija has struggled the last week of camp but figures to be one of the other four relievers because he's out of options.

Grabow is the other lock, though he hasn't pitched since the first day of Cactus League play because of shoulder soreness. He's an unknown commodity after a knee injury sidelined him twice last season and forced the Cubs to shut him down for good June 29. The Cubs are hoping he can revert to his 2008 form, when he posted a 2.84 ERA in 74 appearances for the Pirates.

"I feel if I don't throw 65 to 70 games in a year, I haven't done my job," he said. "That was the frustrating thing about last year. But I anticipate throwing a lot this year. That's my goal.

"You go six years without being hurt and then you get hurt, and …you have to change things up a little bit, listen to your body more than you have in the past."

The other two spots are up for grabs, but two of the losers in the rotation battle might fill those. If Andrew Cashner doesn't win a starting job, he's a near certainty, and Carlos Silva might have to work in long relief. Left-handers Russell and Maine also are in the mix, and manager Mike Quade said early in camp he could take as many as four lefties because the rotation figures to be all right-handed.

Marmol's continued dominance is the key to the bullpen. And after three seasons of moving back and forth from the rotation to the pen, Marshall has found a niche and has become a bullpen leader.

"At any given moment last summer I was the oldest guy down there (at 28)," Marshall said. "So some of the guys were looking up to me, and it's good to share the knowledge I learned about hitters and help out."

If the bullpen can start out the way it finished in 2010, the Cubs should be in good shape to contend. If not, it could be another long season.

I still think the rotation is the strength of this team, but Sully seems to be pretty high on the bullpen.

However, I don't like the bolded part.
 

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I agree with this.

Was the bold saying he was a near certainty to be effective if he is in the pen, or that he was a near certainty to make the rotation? I guess it depends on how you read it.

It really doesn't matter how you read it... it says If he doesn't win a starting job, meaning he wouldn't be in the rotation. Really not that tough.
 

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It really doesn't matter how you read it... it says If he doesn't win a starting job, meaning he wouldn't be in the rotation. Really not that tough.

"If he's not in the rotation, he's a near certainty, ..."

Because of the commas on both side, it could also be a clarification that he probably will.

But I'm not here to argue what something says.

Marmol, Marshall, and Wood is an awesome back end!
 

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The back of the bullpen is a strength. The middle men are jokes.
 

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The back of the bullpen is a strength. The middle men are jokes.

That pretty much sums it up.

Grabow should be better this year though.
 

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That pretty much sums it up.

Grabow should be better this year though.

Cubs better hope so

bullpen has some serious talent but i wouldn't say it's great from front to back overall....we'll get a better picture once the season really gets under way
 

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Cubs better hope so

bullpen has some serious talent but i wouldn't say it's great from front to back overall....we'll get a better picture once the season really gets under way

Ya, the front is lacking, the the back is solid.
 

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Grabow cant be any worse....


and Wood and Marmol at the end is good, but like bobferg said...the middle guys are a joke
 

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Grabow cant be any worse....


and Wood and Marmol at the end is good, but like bobferg said...the middle guys are a joke

Marshall at the end too...
 

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If healthy we'll have one of the best pens in the NL.
 

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Personally I think our bullpen is garbage...
 

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Personally I think our bullpen is garbage...

How so?

Marmol, Marshall, Wood, and Grabow isn't a bad place to start. Then likely either Silva or Cashner (who Quade said had a spot on the Major League roster even if he doesn't make the rotation in a cubs.com article BTW) isn't bad.
 

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Really? How would you like to go back to:

Bob Howry
Michael Wuertz
Scott Eyre
Roberto Novoa
Scott Williamson
Will Ohman
Ryan Dempster

as your bullpen?

If take it over this one.

Ohman and wuertz were never used right.

Demp did fine

Howdy and Eyre were beasts.

Novoa and Williams were better than Shark and Berg are.
 

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If take it over this one.

Ohman and wuertz were never used right.

Demp did fine

Howdy and Eyre were beasts.

Novoa and Williams were better than Shark and Berg are.

Berg won't be in our pen.

And you are forgetting about Marmol, Marshall, and Wood being in this year's. We had nobody close to them that year.
 

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Berg won't be in our pen.

And you are forgetting about Marmol, Marshall, and Wood being in this year's. We had nobody close to them that year.

I am honestly not sure what year we are talking about 2006.

That year we had the 6th best ERA among NL relievers with that group of misfits? losers? jokers? Not sure what you want to call them.

In 2010 with Marmol and Marshall in the pen we ranked 15th, and despite the league average ERA getting loser by .22 points the Cubs bullpen was .68 runs worse. Who is going to make that up?

Wood? Maybe some of it

Lets compare the rosters:

Marmol is definitely better than Dempster was.

Wood and Howry is pretty close but Howry probably gets a slight edge. Wood has never put up a 147 ERA+ since becoming a reliever.

Marshall and Eyre probably goes to Marshall but again pretty slim margin.

Grabow versus Ohman is a close tossup I suppose, but it pisses me off because Ohman was great just never used right. Southsiders are going to be happy they have Ohman.

Wuertz vs does it matter? 176 ERA+.... just talking about these relievers makes me angry.

Novoa vs again does it matter? Great pitch? No, but still probably better than anyone we are going to throw out there. Stevens? Shark? Berg? Maybe Stevens could be better.

Scott Williamson, alright he was a bust, but I think he was hurt at some point and we caught him at the tail end of his short career, but this was a 66 win team.

Still can you all really tell me you would take 2011's bullpen over 2006? Yes the back end 3 are solid, very solid, but that's not the entire bullpen. Overall I think the bullpen is still below average, and definitely not as good as the 2006 one, who had to bail out an awful starting rotation as well.
 

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I am honestly not sure what year we are talking about 2006.

That year we had the 6th best ERA among NL relievers with that group of misfits? losers? jokers? Not sure what you want to call them.

In 2010 with Marmol and Marshall in the pen we ranked 15th, and despite the league average ERA getting loser by .22 points the Cubs bullpen was .68 runs worse. Who is going to make that up?

Wood? Maybe some of it

Lets compare the rosters:

Marmol is definitely better than Dempster was.

Wood and Howry is pretty close but Howry probably gets a slight edge. Wood has never put up a 147 ERA+ since becoming a reliever.

Marshall and Eyre probably goes to Marshall but again pretty slim margin.

Grabow versus Ohman is a close tossup I suppose, but it pisses me off because Ohman was great just never used right. Southsiders are going to be happy they have Ohman.

Wuertz vs does it matter? 176 ERA+.... just talking about these relievers makes me angry.

Novoa vs again does it matter? Great pitch? No, but still probably better than anyone we are going to throw out there. Stevens? Shark? Berg? Maybe Stevens could be better.

Scott Williamson, alright he was a bust, but I think he was hurt at some point and we caught him at the tail end of his short career, but this was a 66 win team.

Still can you all really tell me you would take 2011's bullpen over 2006? Yes the back end 3 are solid, very solid, but that's not the entire bullpen. Overall I think the bullpen is still below average, and definitely not as good as the 2006 one, who had to bail out an awful starting rotation as well.

Out of the entirety of our middle relief, Stevens is the only one who I would be willing to give a shot to. And even though he got absolutely creamed last year, Diamond wouldn't be a horrible option to give another opportunity.

I'm just tired of seeing the same 3-4 guys prove time and time again that they couldn't pitch themselves out of a paper bag, let alone a runners in scoring position with two outs situation.

Shark has proven numerous times over the course of camp and in previous years that he can't be trusted in close games. Or even games that the Cubs have a four run cushion. If he makes the 25-man roster, he should only be used when the Cubs are down by 10+ runs. Because that that point, it hardly matters if he gives up four more.

Berg sucks. And despite all the love that Jntg gives him, Grabow sucks. No offense, buddy.

Middle relief should be: Silva/ Cashner, Diamond, Stevens, Russell, then have Shark, Berg, and Grabow play rock paper scissors. Who ever loses is shot, and the other two make the roster, but only pitch when the Cubs are +/- 10 or more runs.
 

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