Teenage brothers charged with killing NJ girl, 12

[mikita's helmet]

http://news.yahoo.com/teenage-brothers-charged-killing-nj-girl-12-225003810.html

 

[winos5]

Over a bike they wanted to steal/trade for.

 

[MassHavoc]

This shit absolutely floors me. There is just so much uncontrollable bullshit out there that it makes you hate the world.

 

[Pez68]

I am completely lost for words. Unfathomable how something like this can happen.... If this was my daughter, those little mother ******* would never make it to court. They'd be driven out to the middle of nowhere where I could torture them to death for as long as I saw fit. I cannot believe how angry reading this made me.

 

[The Count Dante]

While I dont want to draw out a political conversation, I am always conflicted and flip-flop with my support or opposition of the Death Penalty. Articles like this, certainly cause the pendulum to favor one side over the other.

 

[winos5]

Not a fan of the death penalty, simply because too many cases are overturned due to misconduct by investigators, DAs ect... Having said that, if the facts of this case are as reported and they are found guilty and go through the appeals process and end up getting the big sleep juice I won't shed any tears for them.

 

[the canadian dream]

These kids are def fucked up (wasn't just over a bike its far deeper than that). Not to make them the victim because they aren't but this is straight up mental disability shit here. Also hints at some real passive parenting. "The home was a place where teens would constantly hang out and have parties" (not a clean quote but same shit). Doubt that there was any parenting at all.



Disgusting and disturbing but something isn't being reported here about these teen brothers. Teens just don't kill off little girls like this unless they are completely fucked up in the head and without any parental guidance and moral teachings.



Another thing....when these incidents happen in little towns you always hear the same bs "we would never have thought it would happen here". Having grown up in a small town this is always what happens in small towns because small town minds think they are always safe and don't take signs serious. These type of murders and incidents ALWAYS happen in small towns!!! I bet these kids and their parents were the talk around town behind closed doors. Probably were known to be mentally ill or not right yet no one did anything to help them or communicate to them. Bet 100 bucks. Seen it before..seen it in my own small home town. Everyone talks about how small towns are "community enriched and safe" but its usually only the very few who actually get involved and make it so. Having lived in a large city now for 13 years or so I can say my small home town of 2000 people was a far more dangerous place to live. Without a doubt.



Again not making these teen brothers the victims. Just curious as too what biological and social illnesses are coming into play here with them. As I have said in past posts about revenge and death sentences. Don't throw these bodies away...test the shit out of them. The brain patterns...question the **** out of them and try to dig up bits and pieces the best you can as to why this happened. Use them as lab rats. If you want people to suffer for their actions then at least get some information out it all first. Then donate body parts that seem fit to be donated..that is if anyone wants a murders body part. This disposable culture of ours needs to think and use what it has more completely. Instead of just taking lives as revenge for another...maybe try to infuse and give life at the same time? Just a thought.



Hard part here is 15 and 17. That's going to win them time and lots of it.

 

[the canadian dream]

oh ps before i get flamed for being insensitive



I obviously feel horrible for the little girl and her family and friends and community.



Just making sure I got that out there before anyone thought I was making this about the teen age murderers.

 

[Ton]

Along with what has been said here, I feel bad for the mother of the two murderers. She did the right thing by turning in her own children.



Blame this on poor parenting if you must, but I know many people that have had passive parents and they have never taken advantage of that, let alone murdered someone. I tend to agree with TCD, these kids were just messed up in the head, purely insane vigilantes. Unfortunately for these parents they were stuck with the wrong seed.

 

[the canadian dream]

Along with what has been said here, I feel bad for the mother of the two murderers. She did the right thing by turning in her own children.



Blame this on poor parenting if you must, but I know many people that have had passive parents and they have never taken advantage of that, let alone murdered someone.

True true. But I can say that if i didn't have it (from at least one parent) I would probably be in jail right now. I don't think it's just a question of poor parenting vs good parenting. There are a few things at work here obviously. Its not as simple as one problem pulling the trigger. This just doesn't happen unless there are some real hard underlining factors at play. Complex ones obviously. Im not one who sits back and doesn't question it all and just pass it off as "part of humanity". I want to know why it is and what we can do to try and simmer it the best we can. The social and biological relationships within individuals can be nearly impossible to map out but it's still worth an effort in my opinion. There was certainly a play btw both here in my opinion.



There are elements in situations like this that news reports just don't tell us. And because these kids were 15 and 17 we won't get the proper information.



Anyways its all horrible and scary. Im not a parent so I don't have the initial response of those who are. Doesn't mean I don't feel horrible for the parents of this young girl. I don't think you need to be a parent to understand it all. And Im sure the mother of the teens is sitting back laughing it up either. She has a hard fucking road to travel the rest of her life also now.

 

[jakobeast]

WQhy couldn't they have just given her a wicked upper cut?

 

[Pez68]

These "kids" need to be exterminated. Sure, study them and find out what the **** caused them to be this way, but they need to be put down. Just like a rabid dog. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind behavior like this is hereditary. These sick fucks should never, ever, be given the chance to reproduce. Ever.

 

[TSD]

Along with what has been said here, I feel bad for the mother of the two murderers. She did the right thing by turning in her own children.



Blame this on poor parenting if you must, but I know many people that have had passive parents and they have never taken advantage of that, let alone murdered someone. I tend to agree with TCD, these kids were just messed up in the head, purely insane vigilantes. Unfortunately for these parents they were stuck with the wrong seed.

I know that because my brother and I are night and day. Both physically and mentally very different. My brother is actually lucky he hasn't murdered anyone. He punched his last baby momma in the face knocking her down a flight of stairs while she was pregnant. We're only 3 years apart, I hardly doubt he experienced different parenting than I did. He has made threats to kill plenty of people, including his own mother.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

These "kids" need to be exterminated. Sure, study them and find out what the **** caused them to be this way, but they need to be put down. Just like a rabid dog. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind behavior like this is hereditary. These sick fucks should never, ever, be given the chance to reproduce. Ever.

Agreed. I'm sure there are plenty of people, myself included, who would like to spend a little quality time with these young men without any LEO interference.

 

[the canadian dream]

These "kids" need to be exterminated. Sure, study them and find out what the **** caused them to be this way, but they need to be put down. Just like a rabid dog. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind behavior like this is hereditary. These sick fucks should never, ever, be given the chance to reproduce. Ever.

Even hereditary genes need to be triggered by something. I don't disagree with the hereditary argument but I don't think it's that simple either. Very dangerous ideal if put in the wrong hands. Let's not forget what Nazi Germany did with the idea of hereditary genetics...I don't want any politics involved with such a dangerous theory or ideal...recipe for fucking disaster. That reasoning also gives every single criminal a very simple means of explaining away their actions without moral consciousness. Whats to stop someone from just saying any of their actions is based on heredity and genetics? I think that dumbs down a lot of other factors in human conditioning.

 

[The Count Dante]

Even hereditary genes need to be triggered by something. I don't disagree with the hereditary argument but I don't think it's that simple either. Very dangerous ideal if put in the wrong hands. Let's not forget what Nazi Germany did with the idea of hereditary genetics...I don't want any politics involved with such a dangerous theory or ideal...recipe for fucking disaster. That reasoning also gives every single criminal a very simple means of explaining away their actions without moral consciousness. Whats to stop someone from just saying any of their actions is based on heredity and genetics? I think that dumbs down a lot of other factors in human conditioning.

Or forget where they drew their inspirations toward Eugenics... And who used to be a leader in the field.



At the very least, be sure they are tried as adults.