Thank you for the laugh my British Brethren

[bubbleheadchief]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39793497/ns ... ews-europe



I am sorry, but I can't help but laugh at this...goes to show why no matter how good your technology is, you have manual back-ups stationed

 

[winos5]

[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39793497/ns/world_news-europe



I am sorry, but I can't help but laugh at this...goes to show why no matter how good your technology is, you have manual back-ups stationed[/quote]



THe CPT of that sub is going to be sacrificed/crucified. Any career aspirations he had just went down the shitter.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="winos5"]



THe CPT of that sub is going to be sacrificed/crucified. Any career aspirations he had just went down the shitter.[/quote]

If this was a US Sub, then the Skipper and everyone in Control at the time could basically start job hunting. Hell the Skipper, Nav, A-Nav and OOD that was stationed, would already be on plane on their way home. With the Brits though, i really don't know. I want to go ask the guys downstairs, but i think they may be a tad busy right now.

 

[bri]

Don't they have things that beep if you are too close to something. Isn't that the purpose of sonar and stuff? If they are undetectable under the sea don't they have to worry about over boats hitting them all the time?

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Sonar does not work well while surfaced, half your "array" is out of the water and you get way too much surface clutter.....all those waves make noise which overdrives the system. We have something called a fathometer for use while on the surface, works similar to an altimeter, and just like an altimeter, there is a few seconds of delay to what it is telling you. But again, knowing that area, you can not necessarily trust the readings in that area, because the bottom is very rocky there.



The time that a submarine is at it's most vulnerable is when we are surfaced. most of our systems we use to detect everything around us are completely useless. We are stuck using normal radars and those are not infallible. A radar is only as good as its operator.



No you dont have a "proximty alert" Bri, that is science fiction. And I cant really talk about what we do while "deep" but we really do not have to worry about getting hit by other boats.

 

[bri]

[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]Sonar does not work well while surfaced, half your "array" is out of the water and you get way too much surface clutter.....all those waves make noise which overdrives the system. We have something called a fathometer for use while on the surface, works similar to an altimeter, and just like an altimeter, there is a few seconds of delay to what it is telling you. But again, knowing that area, you can not necessarily trust the readings in that area, because the bottom is very rocky there.



The time that a submarine is at it's most vulnerable is when we are surfaced. most of our systems we use to detect everything around us are completely useless. We are stuck using normal radars and those are not infallible. A radar is only as good as its operator.



No you dont have a "proximty alert" Bri, that is science fiction. And I cant really talk about what we do while "deep" but we really do not have to worry about getting hit by other boats.[/quote]





Maybe they could put a few windows in so they could see and it wouldn't be as depressing either.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Seriously?

 

[bri]

Didn't they use to have windows? You know those little round things.

 

[winos5]

Yes but they argued to much over window treatments and that was the end of it....

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Do you mean portholes? Maybe one of the very first ones that Mr Holland made. The Turtle was not a submarine per se, as it never really submerged to any real depth. You cant see in the dark can you? And for the most part there is nothign to "see" in the open water. Things like the Trieste and other Deep Sea Vehicles are designed to go down to take a look, so they're not made to be stealthy and have protrubances all over, also they are fitted with "windows" that are designed to take tons of pressure, yet none of them are bigger then 6 inches across for the most part. Speaking of the Trieste, she was almost lost on her famous deep dive into the Marianas Trench due to her "window," cracked when she was three quatrters of the way down. They almost aborted because of it.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="winos5"]Yes but they argued to much over window treatments and that was the end of it....[/quote]

No it's more like "**** you , I ain't going out there to wash the damn windows. Not in my job description."

 

[LordKOTL]

Oh, i got a kick out of it too



Oh, and Bri--my sub knowledge is nowhere near that of BHC's, since I only have an interest in them, and then mostly just the WWII-era, but the majority of the time since then that a submarine has sonar, it's passive--it just listens. If it was active--sending out a pulse of sound to detect objects, the sub wouldn't be stealth anymore.



A lot of movies that feature some sort of "collision detection" aparatus on the subs are really using such a device as a plot point.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="LordKOTL"]Oh, i got a kick out of it too



Oh, and Bri--my sub knowledge is nowhere near that of BHC's, since I only have an interest in them, and then mostly just the WWII-era, but the majority of the time since then that a submarine has sonar, it's passive--it just listens. If it was active--sending out a pulse of sound to detect objects, the sub wouldn't be stealth anymore.



A lot of movies that feature some sort of "collision detection" aparatus on the subs are really using such a device as a plot point.[/quote]

And then some brother, and then some. Sound travels a long distance underwater. Where as we do have the ability to "go active" with our sonar, 99 out of 100 times it is only an operational test to ensure the system still works. And trust me technology today, our passive sonar is the best in the world, hands down. If you were to compare todays passive sonar to that of WWII as cars, you'd be comparing Fred Flinstones car (WWII) to the top Ferrari Formula 1 race car (now).

Speaking of sounds we can possible put into the water, We are so tight with our sound discipline, when we get underway, if you slam a door, drop a tool anything like that, that can possible transfer off hull, you have to call to control and report it.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]Sonar does not work well while surfaced, half your "array" is out of the water and you get way too much surface clutter.....all those waves make noise which overdrives the system. We have something called a fathometer for use while on the surface, works similar to an altimeter, and just like an altimeter, there is a few seconds of delay to what it is telling you. But again, knowing that area, you can not necessarily trust the readings in that area, because the bottom is very rocky there.



The time that a submarine is at it's most vulnerable is when we are surfaced. most of our systems we use to detect everything around us are completely useless. We are stuck using normal radars and those are not infallible. A radar is only as good as its operator.



No you dont have a "proximty alert" Bri, that is science fiction. And I cant really talk about what we do while "deep" but we really do not have to worry about getting hit by other boats.[/quote]



My car has a proximity alert!

 

[bri]

[quote name="TSD"]



My car has a proximity alert![/quote]



Does it parallel park itself too? I wish I had a car that could do that. I think there are a couple kinds that can do that now.

 

[sth]

I thought about you when I saw that yesterday. Got to be embarrassing to have to get help to get out of the mud with your nuclear sub. I love hearing those Scottish accents.

 

[LordKOTL]

[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]

And then some brother, and then some. Sound travels a long distance underwater. Where as we do have the ability to "go active" with our sonar, 99 out of 100 times it is only an operational test to ensure the system still works. And trust me technology today, our passive sonar is the best in the world, hands down. If you were to compare todays passive sonar to that of WWII as cars, you'd be comparing Fred Flinstones car (WWII) to the top Ferrari Formula 1 race car (now).

Speaking of sounds we can possible put into the water, We are so tight with our sound discipline, when we get underway, if you slam a door, drop a tool anything like that, that can possible transfer off hull, you have to call to control and report it.[/quote]

Pretty much. I would think it's more like comparing an abacus to the render-farm of Industrial Light & Magic.



I'd also think that if you did accidenally smal a door, drop a tool, etc, it wouldn't look good on a personnel review.