Thats not a knife Mock 2.0

[AussieBear]

1. Undersized
2. Injured
3. Terrible football player

This seems like a Jerry draft. I am cool with Hargreaves, but there will be better players than Joseph and Hogan.

1. Undersized - perhaps, mentioned as much. at 5'11 just as tall as revis and tons of others in the league..... you dont have to be 6'1 plus to be a decent CB

2. Injured - So

3. Terrible football player - why? do a real break down on hogan and then pitch your one read and run carson again (theres some potential there though so dont get me wrong). lets be clear here too, im not saying Hogans franchise ready or even a 1st rd lock.. if anything im calling the guy a developmental QB... soooo yeahhh peeps

the art of almost.

a once up and coming thick one with the name to drive dat search.. her name siri...

 

[AussieBear]

Precisely. I've watched nearly every game he has played in his career, I wouldn't draft him in any round. I think those that are endorsing him perhaps need to watch some more of his film, and also remember his OL is consistently one of the best in the country.

yeah, he's not Andrew Luck, Jim Plunkett, or John Elway, but he may be the 4th/5th best Stanford QB ever......

By you declaring you wouldnt draft him in "ANY" round... says all that needs to be said really.

the art of almost.

a once up and coming thick one with the name to drive dat search.. her name siri...

 

[AussieBear]

how dare i need to defend a developmental QB.

Heres an old 2013 draft breakdown video i came across that shows some good and some bad about his game.

[video=youtube;Tt7joBL_0vc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt7joBL_0vc[/video]

 

[FirstTimer]

He is certainly not a late rounder. Look at his record as a starting quarterback. Stanford runs a pro style offense and he runs it well despite not being asked to do what Luck was asked to do. He is big. Has a good arm and is mobile. He'll be taken in the 3rd round.

Sucks for whatever team ends up that pile of garbage.

 

[The Hawk]

how dare i need to defend a developmental QB.

Heres an old 2013 draft breakdown video i came across that shows some good and some bad about his game.

[video=youtube;Tt7joBL_0vc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt7joBL_0vc[/video]

I watched that game last year. This was the game where I thought that Montgomery was going to be a fine NFL player. To me Hogan is kind of similar to Andrew Luck. Not nearly as good as Luck but the same kind of big tough QB who can take off and run when necessary. I think Hogan will be a starter in the NFL for some team.

 

[FirstTimer]

To me Hogan is kind of similar to Andrew Luck.

:aj:

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I think the window is closing between Goff and Cook. After watching Goff vs Utah and UCLA, he looks slow moving through the pocket. He seems like the type of QB that would have been killed behind the offensive lines we had for Cutler. Cook seems more aware of his surroundings. His game vs Michigan sealed that he is the real deal to me.

 

[AussieBear]

Sucks for whatever team ends up that pile of garbage.

One mans trash is another mans treasure..... Tom Brady.. My wife and I are both examples of this as well.

Could Hogan be garbage, sure, any prospect can, especially a developmental QB with some ? Marks.

My grade of him has a lot to do with the actual Qb class this year. We all assume Goff is coming out and probably should since he's in that 1-2 convo. After that though the only JR QBs that may come out that some peeps like are hackenburg, lynch, russel, kiel. Im sure hackenburg goes back another year unless Goff goes back.

After those Jr there are a few Sr QBS with tools, and i suppose you could debate who will be that 3rd QB to death. Being that QB is such a high commodity, a few of the guys will go higher than they probably should especially if the top JRs go back. I guess once we know which Jrs are coming out the discussion changes a bit. thats why i gave hogan a 2-5 grade as of now

i guess it just comes down to what you prefer... Carsons athletic ability/throwing combo, Hogans fundamentals/pro style experience Boykins, Prescotts, Sudfeld, Doughty etc etc blah blahs etc etc etc.

For whatever reason i see Hogan possibly being a more mobile Brian Griese. IDK Y.. perhaps all the check downs.... Best case Hogan develops into a long term starter.. next best scenario he can at least develop into a place holder once Cutler goes while the Bears look for that franchise guy and be a long term back up.. worst case.. just another wasted pick in chicagos history of wasted picks.

 

[rawdawg]

how dare i need to defend a developmental QB.

Heres an old 2013 draft breakdown video i came across that shows some good and some bad about his game.

[video=youtube;Tt7joBL_0vc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt7joBL_0vc[/video]

A couple things. Look at that throwing motion. His arm goes down to his midsection and almost fully extended behind him. That's a long, slow delivery that NFL safeties will be able to jump all over if that's not changed. Secondly, that's from 2013. That's the best tape he has. This is his 4th year as a starter, after redshirting behind Luck. He's made absolutely 0 improvement since a good RS Freshman year. Lastly, he has some shaky accuracy that shows in that video (and again hasn't improved). He throws an ugly deep ball and can't make the throws into tight coverage.

 

[AussieBear]

A couple things. Look at that throwing motion. His arm goes down to his midsection and almost fully extended behind him. That's a long, slow delivery that NFL safeties will be able to jump all over if that's not changed. Secondly, that's from 2013. That's the best tape he has. This is his 4th year as a starter, after redshirting behind Luck. He's made absolutely 0 improvement since a good RS Freshman year. Lastly, he has some shaky accuracy that shows in that video (and again hasn't improved). He throws an ugly deep ball and can't make the throws into tight coverage.

his low arm is a quirky throwing motion much like rivers.. and yeah his deliver is slow.. the goal would be to at least get that motion to 3/4 wind up instead of what hes at if you can.

yes ive mentioned his accuracy at times. he also goes all great cutler at times throughout his career with dimes. he is inconsistent with his accuracy and i wont argue that he isnt. again, thats why he wont be a top pick and will be a developmental pick. well technically all picks are developmental but you know what i mean

statistically speaking, he has improved in areas every year.

i take it you dont see the good things and the tools/skills he does have.

also that isnt his best game tape..hes had some really good games over his career. i just came across it to make a point.... showingsome good and bad.

 

[rawdawg]

his low arm is a quirky throwing motion much like rivers.. and yeah his deliver is slow.. the goal would be to at least get that motion to 3/4 wind up instead of what hes at if you can.

yes ive mentioned his accuracy at times. he also goes all great cutler at times throughout his career with dimes. he is inconsistent with his accuracy and i wont argue that he isnt. again, thats why he wont be a top pick and will be a developmental pick. well technically all picks are developmental but you know what i mean

statistically speaking, he has improved in areas every year.

i take it you dont see the good things and the tools/skills he does have.

also that isnt his best game tape..hes had some really good games over his career. i just came across it to make a point.... showingsome good and bad.

Rivers' throwing motion is 3/4, but his arm doesn't go behind him. Rivers actually has a very short, quick release, which is why he was the #1 pick and has great NFL success despite a non-traditional throwing motion.

I see the tools he has. I loved the guy after his RS frosh year. I thought for sure he'd be an eventual #1 pick. He has perfect size at 6'4", 230 ish. He does have a pretty good arm, at least as far as velocity goes. He can read a defense and go thru progressions. He has very underrated mobility and might be the toughest QB in college football. He routinely takes hits in the pocket and still tries to stand in and make a throw. And he can take off and run and isn't a guy that looks to slide and run out of bounds (that probably has to change).

That being said, the accuracy and throwing motion are huge issues. Inaccurate college QBs don't suddenly become pinpoint at the next level. As inconsistent as Cutler is with his accuracy, Hogan makes him look like Aaron Rodgers. I think he's a UDFA, but his agent would be one of the first calls I'd make to get him in camp. But if he keeps playing like he has the last few games, I'd be Ok spending a 5th or 6th on him, simply because 4 year starters at big time programs don't grow on trees. But the fact that he is a 4-year starter at the school that produced the top QB prospect in the last 15 years also hurts him. Because if he hasn't improved his issues by now, it's a longshot an NFL coaching staff will have the time/patience to do so.

 

[AussieBear]

Rivers' throwing motion is 3/4, but his arm doesn't go behind him. Rivers actually has a very short, quick release, which is why he was the #1 pick and has great NFL success despite a non-traditional throwing motion.

I see the tools he has. I loved the guy after his RS frosh year. I thought for sure he'd be an eventual #1 pick. He has perfect size at 6'4", 230 ish. He does have a pretty good arm, at least as far as velocity goes. He can read a defense and go thru progressions. He has very underrated mobility and might be the toughest QB in college football. He routinely takes hits in the pocket and still tries to stand in and make a throw. And he can take off and run and isn't a guy that looks to slide and run out of bounds (that probably has to change).

That being said, the accuracy and throwing motion are huge issues. Inaccurate college QBs don't suddenly become pinpoint at the next level. As inconsistent as Cutler is with his accuracy, Hogan makes him look like Aaron Rodgers. I think he's a UDFA, but his agent would be one of the first calls I'd make to get him in camp. But if he keeps playing like he has the last few games, I'd be Ok spending a 5th or 6th on him, simply because 4 year starters at big time programs don't grow on trees. But the fact that he is a 4-year starter at the school that produced the top QB prospect in the last 15 years also hurts him. Because if he hasn't improved his issues by now, it's a longshot an NFL coaching staff will have the time/patience to do so.

i guess we can agree to disagree. Im not arguing the Hogan doesnt have such and such problems, ive brought them up too.. i am just in the minority that hopes you can develop and fix some of his shortcomings to go with the decent tools he does possess and then you may have something.. especially getting him to the 3/4 windup.. that would be the first development point to get at.

Rivers still winds and is really quick once he is in the throwing slot.. but hes not dan marino quick from start to finish. Hogan, while he is slow with his full wind up, once he does gets to the slot, hes fairly quick through too and hes not that bad when he justs sides arm it.

over the years some of hogans incompletions would be completions with alshon, forte and more athletic tes for sure. but thats college football.. stanford may have something in eds son.. idk im racists against white rbs.. guess he'll be a slot guy in the nfl

i guess the biggest question mark in even talking about drafting developmental QB with all the holes on the team is still Fales... unless they really love the guy in the Draft i doubt they draft one... but considering Fales wasnt their guy its possible they dont have to be fully in love to draft one..

I wanted to see fales last year and this year instead of clausen. BUT i guess the team gets to see him in practice.. its just not live games.. i think thats been the biggest waste.. having the opportunity to play him and choosing to go with clausen instead.... especially at the end of last year.. i could understand sea i suppose..