The Byfuglien and Ladd Trades: In Review

[HawkWriter]

The Byfuglien and Ladd Trades: In Review |

In anticipation of the game versus the Winnipeg Jets on Thursday, I decided to take a look back at the trades that Stan Bowman had to make in the summer of 2010.

Hope you enjoy the read and I hope it starts a discussion.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

You can call the Ladd trade a loss, but last season and all of the moves was the price the Hawks paid for the gamble of 09-10. It paid off. I'll miss him as a player and the contributions that he made-- but it was Tallon that also brought him here from Carolina (Ruutu deal).

Ladd has a good cap hit @ 4.4m per year.
Buff was a piece of the puzzle that took the Nashville series off, but came in strong versus SJ and VAN.

Winnipeg is still the crappy Thrashers of last year. They are light years away from another cup, let alone playoff appearance. They showed that last night against the Habs. We'll see if the small market can produce a team that can make it out the first round-- if not, Ladd may be on the trading block.

I don't think you'll ever see him in Chicago again-- unless you can convince the Jets that Olesz is worth his bloated contract.

 

[HawkWriter]

^^^ I don't see Ladd (or Byfuglien for that matter) going on the trading block at all, unless it is the last year of his deal. You would alienate the fans if you traded Ladd this early. Also, the Jets will be fine financially for a while because of the commitment that season ticket holders had to make in order to get their season tickets (3 - 6 years depending on where your tickets are). They will have 13,000 season ticket holders and a good revenue for a while.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

^^^ I don't see Ladd (or Byfuglien for that matter) going on the trading block at all, unless it is the last year of his deal. You would alienate the fans if you traded Ladd this early. Also, the Jets will be fine financially for a while because of the commitment that season ticket holders had to make in order to get their season tickets (3 - 6 years depending on where your tickets are). They will have 13,000 season ticket holders and a good revenue for a while.

That all depends on the success on the ice.
Those two were not FA acquisitions, they were trades that signed extensions. Your defense is logical, but GMs tend to not be logical at times.

The STH base is strong in the short run. That revenue if spent well will benefit the Jets.

 

[HawkWriter]

^^^ I'm saying that the Season Ticket Holder base is going to be strong for the long run. If you got season tickets this year, you had to commit to getting season tickets for either 3 or 6 years, depending on what level your tickets are in. Ladd and Byfuglien aren't going anywhere for the next 3 years.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

When the Hawks signed Campbell, did you honestly think they could pull a trade off and dump that contract?
Anything is possible.
Ladd is an amazing player, and some one to build a franchise around.
Buff is not (this is coming from a Buff fan-- hell I own one of his Norfolk game used jerseys).

I guess in 3-4 years you can post an "I told you so" when I'm wrong.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

The way I looked at the Byfuglien deal at the time- it was either him or Sharp and I'd MUCH rather keep Sharp.

MUCH RATHER.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Vishnevskiy is a bum & will never sniff the Hawks & possibly the NHL, period.

I miss Laddy more than Buff.

 

[HawkWriter]

Vishnevskiy is a bum & will never sniff the Hawks & possibly the NHL, period.

I miss Laddy more than Buff.

Correct...if you read the article you would have noticed that Vis is in the KHL right now and not part of the Blackhawks organization.

He had a cup of coffee with the Stars, but he was just blocked by too many players of the same style on the Blackhawks.

 

[ClydeLee]

The Ladd trade was the kicker that angered me, it didn't seem like it was all necessary and the benefit was bad.

I don't really care much about the Buff deal since it had to happen and it still could be a better outcome of Morin stay's healthy and whatever the Hayes boys can do in a few years.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

To keep Ladd, you have to delete a player currently that's the part of the "core."
Who do you sacrifice (20/20 hindsight)?

 

[HawkWriter]

To keep Ladd, you have to delete a player currently that's the part of the "core."
Who do you sacrifice (20/20 hindsight)?

Really interesting question. In hindsight and in a perfect world...

1st - You trade Campbell. Wasn't really available at the time and the salary cap didn't increase as much as this year. Would have been a tough sell but that would have been best.

2nd - You sign Hjalmarsson before he gets an offer sheet (which would have been for cheaper). You trade the rights to Niemi. You don't sign Turco but instead a cheaper back up. You then don't sign Pisani or Scott (save 500K) because you already have an extra forward in Ladd. That should have been enough room to keep Ladd at his $2.2Mil cap hit that the Thrashers signed him at.

 

[Jntg4]

Nothing we got really showed up at the NHL level yet, who were the additional draft picks we got?

 

[HawkWriter]

Nothing we got really showed up at the NHL level yet, who were the additional draft picks we got?

In the Ladd/Byfuglien trade the Blackhawks received a total of 3 draft picks. All of those picks have been made and I outlined the players that were picked in the article.

 

[Jntg4]

I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing yet, I only read the bold, I'm gonna read the whole article in a couple minutes

 

[ClydeLee]

I don't even like going by the whole, these are the guys we got with the EXACT picks... because that's not the true reality of what the trade helped.

If they didn't add the other addition 2nd round picks they perhaps wouldn't of traded a 2nd round pick for Jimmy Hayes. Even though it's Holl and Clemming from the exact 2nd rounders they got.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

I don't and never will understand the fascination with Byfuglien. He was good, but having him back wouldn't win us a cup. Ladd has leadership and skill, but as someone said, it was him or Sharp. I'd also rather have Sharp.

 

[tbo41fan]

I don't and never will understand the fascination with Byfuglien. He was good, but having him back wouldn't win us a cup. Ladd has leadership and skill, but as someone said, it was him or Sharp. I'd also rather have Sharp.

Bingo...sharp over ladd was the correct choice

 

[DewsSox79]

Bingo...sharp over ladd was the correct choice

all day long

 

[Gunzaan]

I don't and never will understand the fascination with Byfuglien. He was good, but having him back wouldn't win us a cup. Ladd has leadership and skill, but as someone said, it was him or Sharp. I'd also rather have Sharp.

Yup