The case of Brandon Raub: Can the government detain you over Facebook posts?

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WASHINGTON, August 22, 2012 — Brandon J. Raub, a 26-year-old pro-liberty activist, former U.S. Marine, and Virginia resident, was arrested after authorities deemed his Facebook posts threatening. Citing an obscure statute allowing the involuntary detainment of a citizen for psychiatric evaluation, the FBI, Secret Service, and local authorities swarmed Raub’s property to question and then seize him.

Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody. After a quick hearing, government officials confirmed that Raub’s Facebook posts necessitated his detention, refusing to acknowledge legal objections that the words were wrongly interpreted. The former Marine will undergo 30 days of evaluation at Salem VA Medical Center.

Since the incident, Raub has become an online hero as the arrest video and Facebook pages teeter on the verge of going viral. Citizens from all political persuasions, veterans, civil liberties advocates and the generally curious are discussing the political manifesto and detainment of Brandon Raub.

So what did he post? A Facebook note titled “The Truth” lists grievances against the American ruling establishment. Raub expresses his belief that the American principles of limited government and personal liberty are expiring and that corporations and international bankers run the state, not the people. Raub has directly called for the arrest of bankers and politicians who consistently defy their oath to the United States Constitution.

According to his supporters, Raub also believes the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were sold to the American people under false pretenses to benefit the powerful at the expense of military families, American treasure, and domestic security. Raub served in Iraq and Afghanistan with the Marine Corps from 2005 to 2011.

Many of Raub's statements are typical among the politically active, but while many fellow rebels support Raub’s statements, others stress that he did not stop with simple dissent. Reciting popular conspiracy theories from the U.S. government’s complicity in the 9/11 attacks to a scheme to consolidate the world’s power into the hands of the few, it is clear Raub was frustrated, angry and disappointed in his country’s trajectory.

Though his defenders claim he is a patriot meaning no harm, the former Marine directly encouraged a popular revolution against tyrannical and un-constitutional government, claiming he would “kickstart” resistance. No direct threats were posted, and posts of this darker nature were a mixture of statements authorities construed as incitements to violence and song lyrics from heavy rock music.

Undoubtedly, these expressions concerned federal authorities, but was detainment for “psychological evaluation” without respect for Raub’s rights to Due Process warranted? Raub has no history of mental illness and a reputation for organizing peaceful political demonstrations.

The consensus is divided. “After the recent shootings and the Virginia Tech massacre, can the authorities really ignore threats that seem immediate?” a contrarian posted on Facebook. "Their job is to protect us."

Raub’s defenders disagreed, citing a larger concern that federal authorities are blatantly ignoring citizens' rights. A former Marine who served with Raub has been most vocal in his defense.

“I served alongside Brandon both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. He was in my combat engineer platoon in Iraq in 2006 and in Afghanistan 2011. Brandon was the man who opened my eyes to the slow hemorrhaging of civil rights in America and the extreme and purposeful devaluation of the dollar.

"Whether you agree with his method or mode of expressing himself is erroneous. He has broken no laws and hurt no one. He needs to be released or charged with a crime. This is a very scary path to an extreme Big Brother state. Please sign the petition to free Brandon,” posted Matthew Turner on a Change.org petition.

The Oath Keepers, a non-partisan association of law enforcement, first responders and veterans, are outraged. They plan to rally in Raub’s defense, calling his detention a “Soviet style pre-crime detention".
 

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Dude was a nutjob talking about the Bush's and others raping kids in Colorado and people on his facebook were talking about going there armed.
 

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Dude was a nutjob talking about the Bush's and others raping kids in Colorado and people on his facebook were talking about going there armed.

Do you have a link? All I can find on his actual posting is some poem... I want to see what all the fuss was about.
 

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LOL...shoulda just shot the dude.
 

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LOL...shoulda just shot the dude.

Oh god... You must be the resident packer fan that feels the need to come to a chicago MB forum.

What's wrong? Mommy didn't give you enough attention? Or maybe too much... Does she still pick out your clothes for ya?
 

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Oh god... You must be the resident packer fan that feels the need to come to a chicago MB forum.

What's wrong? Mommy didn't give you enough attention? Or maybe too much... Does she still pick out your clothes for ya?

:obama:


You're new here.

I'll cut you some slack.

Nah..nevermind.

I'm the one with self-esteem issues yet you're the one who anointed themselves a "legend" of a message board?

:rofl:
 

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You're new here.

I'll cut you some slack.

Nah..nevermind.

I'm the one with self-esteem issues yet you're the one who anointed themselves a "legend" of a message board?

:rofl:

That's just a carryover from the old board... Not self-annointed at all... In retrospect, perhaps it is bad etiquette to bring it over to the new board.

Does it bother you?
 

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That's just a carryover from the old board
Doesn't make it any less sad or pathetic.


Does it bother you?
No, I've been posting on the internet for years. Pathetic losers don't bother me at all.

Does it bother you that I have a Packers symbol below my name? It must since you brought it up completely off subject from the thread.
 

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Doesn't make it any less sad or pathetic.



No, I've been posting on the internet for years. Pathetic losers don't bother me at all.

Does it bother you that I have a Packers symbol below my name? It must since you brought it up completely off subject from the thread.


It does bother me a little when people so desperately need attention.... You are not a Chicago sports fan, and yet, here you are on a Chicago sports MB... Calling me a loser. It's ironic and I feel sorry for you. But you have confirmed what I already knew you were... We had a few of you over on the CBMB too.

You've even got your cronies calling you the "popular kid" in school. LOL... Yikes.
 

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It does bother me a little when people so desperately need attention.... You are not a Chicago sports fan, and yet, here you are on a Chicago sports MB... Calling me a loser. It's ironic and I feel sorry for you. But you have confirmed what I already knew you were... We had a few of you over on the CBMB too.

You've even got your cronies calling you the "popular kid" in school. LOL... Yikes.

You're Special person brah.

Seriously.
 

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My favorite teams
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  1. Chicago Bulls
  2. Golden State Warriors
  1. Chicago Bears
  1. Chicago Blackhawks
I wouldn't call FT popular...infamous is a more appropriate word
 

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Decatur in this thread kind of reminds me of Rick Reilly and the article he wrote last week about Notre Dame. Reilly bitches at length about Notre Dame getting too much attention from the media..yet Reilly wrote an article on them for ESPN that was featured on the front page and spent the next week defending said article in the media..thus giving Notre Dame tons of attention.

Decatur is irked by my "attention" grab with my "favorite teams"....yet rather than ignoring it, he caves in and gives me the attention I so "desperately" want according to him. Nice work fighting yourself on that one man.

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You're Special person brah.

Seriously.

Did the original comment hit a little too close to home? Your mom doesn't still.... Oh well, not important. It was meant as a joke... Sorry it bothered you so much you had to get personal.

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Didn't the original comment hit a little too close to home?
No. because your thesis is wrong.

Try again.

Your mom doesn't still.... Oh well, not important. It was meant as a joke... Sorry it bothered you so much you had to get personal.

:nelson:
LOL at this. I had to get personal?

I could be wrong here....but aren't you the one who got personal with me in this thread about something that had nothing to do with the subject of said thread?

Oh yeah..that's right.

Sorry my "favorite" teams bothered you so much that you had to get personal. I simply found it ironic that you were bitching about me wanting attention and trying to draw it to myself when you have some ridiculous label of being a message board legend that you actually spent time typing in when you registered.

You ready to admit you're an idiot yet and move on, or are you still going to pursue this further?
 

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