The line between Rookie of the Year & Bust

[playthrough2001]

Quinn Ewers was the number one prospect in college in their senior year.

Caleb was the 15th prospect on ESPN, 6th on Rivals. Nice prospect for sure but nothing historic.

All young players need coaching to reach their potential - nobody's got a better track record in college recently than Lincoln Riley.

Pretty much all prospects are attending the QB Collective.

What have you seen this year that makes you think Caleb will reach the highest level of the sport?

Ewers reclassified. There were ranking outlets that had each of them at number 1.

What I’ve seen from Williams is the arm talent as advertised. He’s definitely not been accurate on deep balls but I believe that will come because there has never been an issue before.

He’s smart. He’s tough. He’s a big time competitor. There’s zero quit in the guy. He’s brought them back several times in the 4th quarter and put them into position to win. He’s the first QB in a long time that went toe to toe with the Packers and refused to shrink in the moment like Fields and his other predecessors.

The guy is an incredibly hard worker too and seems mature well beyond his age. A good coach can build off those traits.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Ewers reclassified. There were ranking outlets that had each of them at number 1.

What I’ve seen from Williams is the arm talent as advertised. He’s definitely not been accurate on deep balls but I believe that will come because there has never been an issue before.

He’s smart. He’s tough. He’s a big time competitor. There’s zero quit in the guy. He’s brought them back several times in the 4th quarter and put them into position to win. He’s the first QB in a long time that went toe to toe with the Packers and refused to shrink in the moment like Fields and his other predecessors.

The guy is an incredibly hard worker too and seems mature well beyond his age. A good coach can build off those traits.

Most bears qbs in my lifetime if they had 1st halves like he did against Detroit would've wilted but he's had bad 1st halves several times and rebounded with great 2nd halves. He needs to improve on a lot, but there's certainly reason to believe he's the guy for the foreseeable future if they can fix some of the surrounding issues and allow him to grow.

 

[msadows]

Ewers reclassified. There were ranking outlets that had each of them at number 1.

What I’ve seen from Williams is the arm talent as advertised. He’s definitely not been accurate on deep balls but I believe that will come because there has never been an issue before.

He’s smart. He’s tough. He’s a big time competitor. There’s zero quit in the guy. He’s brought them back several times in the 4th quarter and put them into position to win. He’s the first QB in a long time that went toe to toe with the Packers and refused to shrink in the moment like Fields and his other predecessors.

The guy is an incredibly hard worker too and seems mature well beyond his age. A good coach can build off those traits.

This is absolutely not true.


Mitch's best game as a rookie was vs the packers, and his main target was dontrelle inman and josh bellamy.

He had them down 3 in the 4th quarter.

 

[msadows]

Most bears qbs in my lifetime if they had 1st halves like he did against Detroit would've wilted but he's had bad 1st halves several times and rebounded with great 2nd halves. He needs to improve on a lot, but there's certainly reason to believe he's the guy for the foreseeable future if they can fix some of the surrounding issues and allow him to grow.

Yea, lot easier to let it rip when you are down multiple scores.

Issue is the guy needs to stop playing conservative in first quarters. Whether its coaching or what, you need to start attacking defenses early.

 

[Moses Moreno]

He loved Fields. End of story…

Bears have 4 wins, you confident they get 7 next year?

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Get back to me after to you respond to my post about Brees being benched three separate times before he injured his shoulder.

You’re better at snark than anything else.

At least I am good at something. Pretty much everything you've said in this thread has been factually incorrect, but that's par for the course.

So if you put Quinn Ewers on the Broncos and give him Sean Payton, would Ewers be as good as Bo Nix? This type of speculation is nonsense.

 

[Nads786]

Yea, lot easier to let it rip when you are down multiple scores.

Issue is the guy needs to stop playing conservative in first quarters. Whether its coaching or what, you need to start attacking defenses early.

Well let's force it - how about max protect and PA the first play? What do we do 99% of the time, run up the middle. The reality probably is that TB already thought of this and realized it won't work because they can't protect.

I remember Mike Tice with Jamarcus Webb saying he didn't know what plays would work because JW was almost impossible to predict. Would he block or not?

 

[Myk]

And no, I dont miss fields. I moved on once he got traded. I could care less what he does because he's not a bear, the issue is caleb is showing a lot of the same issues as fields, and now is also starting to have processing issues. Next step is seeing ghosts.

You sure aren't acting like you've moved on. Half the time I can't tell if you should be using green text or a "/s" and you're paying people back for the QB clueless idiocy that's been getting spewed around here since the turn of the century and before.

But now you're falling back into it and it's not sounding sarcastic, it's sounding like you believe it.

Then you throw in the next step of seeing ghosts, which anyone should be able to understand by now means the problem is a Bears problem and it has been since the turn of the century which means it's a McCaskey meddling problem.

Issue is the guy needs to stop playing conservative in first quarters. Whether its coaching or what, you need to start attacking defenses early.

What "guy"? The only "guy" is the OC.
If the guy could be the rookie QB "the guy" with the problem is the OC for allowing a rookie QB to have that kind of freedom.

It's no different than Bagent coming in for Fields. I don't care if Fields wasn't a rookie call that same 1 presnap predetermined pass game with your starting QB to get them in a groove.
Bagent didn't look better, the play calling looked suitable for the QB's ability when Bagent was in.

When Fields or Williams were/are in the play calling is acting like they're Paintin F Manning.

 

[msadows]

You sure aren't acting like you've moved on. Half the time I can't tell if you should be using green text or a "/s" and you're paying people back for the QB clueless idiocy that's been getting spewed around here since the turn of the century and before.

But now you're falling back into it and it's not sounding sarcastic, it's sounding like you believe it.

Then you throw in the next step of seeing ghosts, which anyone should be able to understand by now means the problem is a Bears problem and it has been since the turn of the century which means it's a McCaskey meddling problem.





What "guy"? The only "guy" is the OC.
If the guy could be the rookie QB "the guy" with the problem is the OC for allowing a rookie QB to have that kind of freedom.

It's no different than Bagent coming in for Fields. I don't care if Fields wasn't a rookie call that same 1 presnap predetermined pass game with your starting QB to get them in a groove.
Bagent didn't look better, the play calling looked suitable for the QB's ability when Bagent was in.

When Fields or Williams were/are in the play calling is acting like they're Paintin F Manning.

First sack of last week caleb legit stared at a guy wide open and took a sack.

Might as well play bagent if he's doing that

 

[Discus fish salesman]

First sack of last week caleb legit stared at a guy wide open and took a sack.

Might as well play bagent if he's doing that

Tbf, fields was doing this weekly and you had a much different tone about him. Maybe you have a different tone about Williams because you are still mad he was called generational by some I guess, but that seems like a silly reason to be mad at caleb.

 

[Myk]

First sack of last week caleb legit stared at a guy wide open and took a sack.

Might as well play bagent if he's doing that

May as well never hire a HC who hands his QBs stuff like a note saying all the QB has to do is 200yds, 2TDs and 0 interceptions.

While it's impressive this lack of interceptions by Williams and probably the overthrows where nobody has a chance at the ball is most likely the Flus influence.

Should've not allowed Flus and his prevent brain anywhere near the #1 pick but here we are. Flus is gone but his legacy of coaches with the Bears lives on until the end of the year.
(And we can start at least a partial rebuild with our 2nd year QB, yay.)

I'd be much happier if Williams was having 20 interceptions where his long ball WR targets all had a chance so we could be complaining that the WRs didn't fight for it (and 2 of these 3 may actually fight for the ball).

 

[remydat]

It is just fun to trash Caleb right now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869525795754135776

Meanwhile people gassing up Nix and basically the offense is the same as it was under Wilson. The main thing that has changed is the No1 D but maybe the D just plays harder for Nix.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

It is just fun to trash Caleb right now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869525795754135776

Meanwhile people gassing up Nix and basically the offense is the same as it was under Wilson. The main thing that has changed is the No1 D bit maybe the D just plays harder for Nix.

Bro, haven't you seen how quick nix throws the ball?

 

[playthrough2001]

At least I am good at something. Pretty much everything you've said in this thread has been factually incorrect, but that's par for the course.

So if you put Quinn Ewers on the Broncos and give him Sean Payton, would Ewers be as good as Bo Nix? This type of speculation is nonsense.

Ewers sucks right now so no.

I was being kind about the snark.

What have I stated that’s “factually incorrect?”

Anything else on Brees Robin Earl?

 

[playthrough2001]

Did Quinn Ewers die? Pretty damn sure he was the #1 recruit. Caleb wasnt even a top 5 prospect on ESPN/247 lol.

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There are plenty rating services outside of ESPN. That should show you how worthless ESPN is about anything.


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Caleb Williams from Gonzaga High School was rated a 4-star recruit by ESPN and handed a 5-star grade by 247 Sports and was the number one recruit in the entire country. After high school, Williams opted to join Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma.

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Rating: 93.5 Rank: #1 Forty: 4.59 Caleb Williams is the best QB prospect in all of college football and has an incredible combination of athletic skills, arm talent, and intangibles. He's a...

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[Myk]

There are plenty rating services outside of ESPN.

But cherry picking to support confirmation bias is fun.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Williams was not only a 5 star recruit but he was the number one HS QB in the country when he signed with Riley at Oklahoma.

What have I stated that’s “factually incorrect?”

Are you serious?

As for the Brees thing, I said your summation of Brees "struggling early" was a bit of an overstatement. If that upsets you this much, then sorry.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

It is just fun to trash Caleb right now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869525795754135776

Meanwhile people gassing up Nix and basically the offense is the same as it was under Wilson. The main thing that has changed is the No1 D but maybe the D just plays harder for Nix.

Last I checked, Russell Wilson is doing pretty good! He even beat out Justin Fields, the guy who had the more productive Bears offense in 2023 compared to Caleb Williams. I don't think Nix is all that good, but the lengths this forum goes to denigrate other players/teams is hilarious. Its like they can't admit that Caleb Williams is struggling.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Williams was not only a 5 star recruit but he was the number one HS QB in the country when he signed with Riley at Oklahoma.

He ended up taking the job from another 5 star
recruit Spencer Rattler.

How did Miller Moss do this year?

Riley certainly didn’t make Caleb Williams.

This stuff is easy and the answer is simple, consistently protect Williams and he will be a top tier NFL QB.

Did you see some of the pockets Nix sat in last night? He was touched one time in the 1st half.

What physical trait aside from elite height does he lack to play QB?

When the Chargers started taking away the short game, Nix faltered. They had 2 FG scoring drives in the 2nd half—one that was in borderline garbage time.

Nix has done better than I ever imagined though. Payton has accomplished a lot with him. Williams wouldn’t look good in his offense because it is predicated on throwing it short and quick very often. Never understood why Denver traded for Payton but had Russell as their QB, he’s never been one to throw consistently quickly.

 

[SlickWilly]

This is absolutely not true.


Mitch's best game as a rookie was vs the packers, and his main target was dontrelle inman and josh bellamy.

He had them down 3 in the 4th quarter.

Are you shitting me with this? The Packers started Brett Hundley and the Bears still lost. Not even remotely comparable.