The line between Rookie of the Year & Bust

[redgrange19]

I am.

You didn't answer me. What did he do against the powerhouse New England Patriots? Thats right, he did jack and shit. Outplayed by a guy who has the worst OL in the entire NFL. No WRs. Rookie coach who stinks. He also didnt have the extra months of reps that Caleb got and the extra months of install the #1 pick had the benefit of.

His numbers are as fake as he is. Cope.

Lol right, if you say so. But look, he’s a rookie quarterback who is having a rough season under a franchise who hasn’t developed a franchise passer post leather helmets. But since you’re fixated on that specific game, I seen a quarterback missing both tackles under duress all game. And yes, Maye killed it with a sub 200 yard game and 1:1 TD to INT ratio which was still worlds better than Caleb’s 120 yard performance. I am as pessimistic about the Chicago Bears as anyone, it was foolish of anyone to think he would be Dan Marino out the gate. I think he will ultimately improve if this organization can get a competent play caller for once. The only thing that’s worried me is his wildly inaccurate downfield passes.

 

[SiDe WaYs]

So you’re bragging about a guy being better than Erik Kramer, Jim Miller and Jim McMahon all in rushing offenses in a league that was far less open? You can be better than those three and not have been worth the number one pick

Well. Wait for it. Better than Cutler, Orton, Grossman, Fields, Trubisky, Griese, Kramer, Miller, McMahon, Krenzel, Hutchinson. And so on and so Forth. You get the point. Look at the Bears history of drafting a QB. They never got it right. But hopefully they did. We surely can’t tell after a rookie season. But once again you proved that you never seen a Bears QB play as great as Caleb in the second half.

 

[Moses Moreno]

People are pretty insane if they think Caleb wouldn't look significantly better with Payton... or that if we had Nix on this Bears team instead of Caleb, he wouldn’t look noticeably worse than he currently does.

Nix looks better than he is because of Payton, agreed but if Caleb didn't have Lincoln Riley in college he probably isn't as hyped as he was.

Caleb's physical tools are good, not great and his fundamentals aren't excellent. There's still a path to excellence but it's not nearly as big and obvious as what he was sold as.

 

[playthrough2001]

Nix looks better than he is because of Payton, agreed but if Caleb didn't have Lincoln Riley in college he probably isn't as hyped as he was.

Caleb's physical tools are good, not great and his fundamentals aren't excellent. There's still a path to excellence but it's not nearly as big and obvious as what he was sold as.

Williams was not only a 5 star recruit but he was the number one HS QB in the country when he signed with Riley at Oklahoma.

He ended up taking the job from another 5 star
recruit Spencer Rattler.

How did Miller Moss do this year?

Riley certainly didn’t make Caleb Williams.

This stuff is easy and the answer is simple, consistently protect Williams and he will be a top tier NFL QB.

Did you see some of the pockets Nix sat in last night? He was touched one time in the 1st half.

What physical trait aside from elite height does he lack to play QB?

 

[Moses Moreno]

Williams was not only a 5 star recruit but he was the number one HS QB in the country when he signed with Riley at Oklahoma.

He ended up taking the job from another 5 star
recruit Spencer Rattler.

How did Miller Moss do this year?

Riley certainly didn’t make Caleb Williams.

This stuff is easy and the answer is simple, consistently protect Williams and he will be a top tier NFL QB.

Did you see some of the pockets Nix sat in last night? He was touched one time in the 1st half.

What physical trait aside from elite height does he lack to play QB?

Riley helped Baker and Kyler get drafted first overall. This isn't his first rodeo and IMO I would put Caleb in the NFL closer to Kyler/Baker than the Allen/Burrow/Lamar/Mahomes/Herbert tier.

He's small compared to the top tier guys, twitchy but not twitchy enough to live on the edge like Lamar/Allen, his downfield accuracy has been dismal.

If you put a gun to my head and asked me who from the 2024 class makes it to the top tier of QBs - I'm saying Maye. Size, arm, athleticism.

 

[msadows]

Williams was not only a 5 star recruit but he was the number one HS QB in the country when he signed with Riley at Oklahoma.

He ended up taking the job from another 5 star
recruit Spencer Rattler.

How did Miller Moss do this year?

Riley certainly didn’t make Caleb Williams.

This stuff is easy and the answer is simple, consistently protect Williams and he will be a top tier NFL QB.

Did you see some of the pockets Nix sat in last night? He was touched one time in the 1st half.

What physical trait aside from elite height does he lack to play QB?

Did Quinn Ewers die? Pretty damn sure he was the #1 recruit. Caleb wasnt even a top 5 prospect on ESPN/247 lol.

 

[msadows]

They can consistently protect williams but nothing will stop him from still overthrowing guys and sitting 8 seconds in the pocket just to take a sack.

There has been good protection on plenty of plays this year and caleb has been to blame. He just needs to be better.

 

[DefNextYear]

Nix looks better than he is because of Payton, agreed but if Caleb didn't have Lincoln Riley in college he probably isn't as hyped as he was.

Caleb's physical tools are good, not great and his fundamentals aren't excellent. There's still a path to excellence but it's not nearly as big and obvious as what he was sold as.

Maybe... but who knows? Caleb had offers to go to pretty much any top school in the country. No matter where he went, he was going to be in a good position to succeed with weapons around him.

But regardless, it's not like Riley's guys are smoke and mirrors and totally bomb in the NFL either. No other coach has had his guys go out and earn more money in the NFL like guys he's coached. To me, shows they can transition to success at a baseline level. Will Caleb maintain that same baseline? I don't know...

 

[Moses Moreno]

Maybe... but who knows? Caleb had offers to go to pretty much any top school in the country. No matter where he went, he was going to be in a good position to succeed with weapons around him.

Nobody's done it like Riley in the past 7 years.

People saying Nix is getting elevated by Payton are right but that same argument applies to Caleb and Riley.

 

[playthrough2001]

They can consistently protect williams but nothing will stop him from still overthrowing guys and sitting 8 seconds in the pocket just to take a sack.

There has been good protection on plenty of plays this year and caleb has been to blame. He just needs to be better.

That is pretty ridiculous. He definitely holds the ball too long at times but the protection has not been adequate, especially up the middle. The New England game was an absolute joke. There is no question that Caleb has to dial in his downfield accuracy too. I’m surprised because it was never an issue at Oklahoma or USC. However, he’s a rookie that had to endure a bottom third head coach. A decent head coach wins 2 or 3 of the games Caleb put them into position to win. Almost any head coach from any level makes the proper decisions to win the Washington game.

I get it. You miss Fields. Behind this line, Justin would have had 100 rushing attempts because he would tuck and run at the first sign of pressure.

 

[playthrough2001]

Nobody's done it like Riley in the past 7 years.

People saying Nix is getting elevated by Payton are right but that same argument applies to Caleb and Riley.

How much do you have to “elevate” the number one QB prospect in the country that had been attending the QB Collective for years?

 

[Moses Moreno]

How much do you have to “elevate” the number one QB prospect in the country that had been attending the QB Collective for years?

Quinn Ewers was the number one prospect in college in their senior year.

Caleb was the 15th prospect on ESPN, 6th on Rivals. Nice prospect for sure but nothing historic.

All young players need coaching to reach their potential - nobody's got a better track record in college recently than Lincoln Riley.

Pretty much all prospects are attending the QB Collective.

What have you seen this year that makes you think Caleb will reach the highest level of the sport?

 

[msadows]

That is pretty ridiculous. He definitely holds the ball too long at times but the protection has not been adequate, especially up the middle. The New England game was an absolute joke. There is no question that Caleb has to dial in his downfield accuracy too. I’m surprised because it was never an issue at Oklahoma or USC. However, he’s a rookie that had to endure a bottom third head coach. A decent head coach wins 2 or 3 of the games Caleb put them into position to win. Almost any head coach from any level makes the proper decisions to win the Washington game.

I get it. You miss Fields. Behind this line, Justin would have had 100 rushing attempts because he would tuck and run at the first sign of pressure.

You chose the one game where a bunch of starters were out.

There have been plenty of times that caleb had protection and stepped into sacks, or overthrew guys.

And no, I dont miss fields. I moved on once he got traded. I could care less what he does because he's not a bear, the issue is caleb is showing a lot of the same issues as fields, and now is also starting to have processing issues. Next step is seeing ghosts.


It was never an issue in college because he had enough athleticism to do whatever he wanted. He doesnt in the NFL, he's basically got athletic white guy ability and still thinks he can run away from DE's when he usually cant.

 

[msadows]

Quinn Ewers was the number one prospect in college in their senior year.

Caleb was the 15th prospect on ESPN, 6th on Rivals. Nice prospect for sure but nothing historic.

All young players need coaching to reach their potential - nobody's got a better track record in college recently than Lincoln Riley.

Pretty much all prospects are attending the QB Collective.

What have you seen this year that makes you think Caleb will reach the highest level of the sport?

wasnt miller moss like a 3 star recruit? Not holding that failure against riley.

 

[DefNextYear]

Nobody's done it like Riley in the past 7 years.

People saying Nix is getting elevated by Payton are right but that same argument applies to Caleb and Riley.

But what’s the point you’re really making? All that means then is the right coach can get a lot more out of Caleb at the NFL level. It isn’t a knock on Nix as much as it’s a knock on the Bears or Bears coaching. Bears need to pair Caleb with someone to help him succeed.

How many QBs see long term success despite bad coaching? The one thing we can all agree on is that the Bears have had terrible coaching this year. Caleb has still shown some flashes through the dumpster fire. Get the right staff in here and he’s going to grow rapidly just as he did under a good coach in college. We don’t need the perfect QB… we just need a pretty good one to be top 10 or so and hold down the position for a long time.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

How much do you have to “elevate” the number one QB prospect in the country that had been attending the QB Collective for years?

Caleb's performance this year had me questioning his ability to read defenses and throw accurately downfield....but I feel better now knowing that he attended the QB Collective. Did he also attend 7-on-7 passing camps in high school?

 

[playthrough2001]

Caleb's performance this year had me questioning his ability to read defenses and throw accurately downfield....but I feel better now knowing that he attended the QB Collective. Did he also attend 7-on-7 passing camps in high school?

Get back to me after to you respond to my post about Brees being benched three separate times before he injured his shoulder.

You’re better at snark than anything else.

 

[playthrough2001]

But what’s the point you’re really making? All that means then is the right coach can get a lot more out of Caleb at the NFL level. It isn’t a knock on Nix as much as it’s a knock on the Bears or Bears coaching. Bears need to pair Caleb with someone to help him succeed.

How many QBs see long term success despite bad coaching? The one thing we can all agree on is that the Bears have had terrible coaching this year. Caleb has still shown some flashes through the dumpster fire. Get the right staff in here and he’s going to grow rapidly just as he did under a good coach in college. We don’t need the perfect QB… we just need a pretty good one to be top 10 or so and hold down the position for a long time.

He loved Fields. End of story…

 

[playthrough2001]

wasnt miller moss like a 3 star recruit? Not holding that failure against riley.

4 star

 

[playthrough2001]

You chose the one game where a bunch of starters were out.

There have been plenty of times that caleb had protection and stepped into sacks, or overthrew guys.

And no, I dont miss fields. I moved on once he got traded. I could care less what he does because he's not a bear, the issue is caleb is showing a lot of the same issues as fields, and now is also starting to have processing issues. Next step is seeing ghosts.


It was never an issue in college because he had enough athleticism to do whatever he wanted. He doesnt in the NFL, he's basically got athletic white guy ability and still thinks he can run away from DE's when he usually cant.

How about the Houston game?

Did you like the protection against Arizona?

How about him getting sacked twice on what should have been the game winning drive against the Packers and still putting them into position to win?

He’s definitely taken some bad sacks especially against Tennessee and the OT sack versus Minnesota.

There are certainly others as well.