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I agree it is too early to judge Fields …. My point is not whether he is a bust or not .. my point is he cost us this game …. Dalton starts we win this game no doubt in my mind …. Fields had all day to throw and yet kept taking sacks or throwing interceptions where there was no WR for miles or missed a wide open Allen Robinson for what should have been an easy TD

This is a bit of wishful thinking without the All 22. Bears WRs struggle with separation and if guys were not open then Dalton does nothing.

Our only real chance of winning today was Fields running wild and forcing GB to cheat against his running to open holes in the passing game. He is trying too hard to be a classic pocket QB.
 

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Didn’t have all day to throw, no matter what one writer said. Also threw ONE interception, on a play he thought was free (and should have been), and Robinson slowed up because he didn’t expect it. So “interceptions and no receiver for miles” is flat bullshit. At least try to be reasonable or have some...perspective.

even if he thought it was a free play the fact is there was no WR for miles …. Hence the easy int …. Of course the impact was minimal
Since that is as good as a punt but the point is what the hell was Fields looking at ….Arob was double covered and he overthrew him by a mile leading to the easy int …. To make matters worse when Arob was wide open with no one around him, Fields missed him completely in his progression …. And then the icing on the cake was throwing the other pass into the end zone where it was also easily picked off and only a technicality saved him …..

Go look at the film …. Rodgers gets free plays too - that does not mean he overthrows the WR by a mile and throws a pick
 

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This is a bit of wishful thinking without the All 22. Bears WRs struggle with separation and if guys were not open then Dalton does nothing.

Our only real chance of winning today was Fields running wild and forcing GB to cheat against his running to open holes in the passing game. He is trying too hard to be a classic pocket QB.

Did you not see ARob streaking wide open on one play that they clearly showed ? The packers were playing garbage at CB …. Yes any average QB tears them up at home ….. watch what happens rest of the year and then comeback to me …. Hell Mac Jones would tear this packers D up at home
 

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Fields was not good today. I still draft him 10 times out of 10 over Trubisky and it isn't particularly close. He clearly makes throws Trubisky can only dream of. In time we will see if he is a mental midget like Trubisky or not.

that maybe an accurate assessment ….. but today he cost us the game when the entire team played really well ….. he was the weak link on this team … the Bears D came to play …. The OL blocked well and opened run holes …. A no name rookie RB balled and almost got 100 yards with a TD ….. KMet showed up …. Jakeem Grant did his job well …. But one player cost us the win …. Hopefully he will get better with time…. But right know the knock on him (which is why he fell in the draft) was he cannot process info quickly and that is evident when he holds onto the ball for 5 secs with no pressure and then sails his throw over WRs repeatedly …. Sometimes straight to the opposing team
 

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The biggest problem with this is, and will be until he’s gone, MATT NAGY!

How’s Fields guilty of a dumb interception? That was clearly offsides. That’s on the refs. How many TDs has Rodgers got by doing that exact thing?

I can’t believe we’re out here calling out a rookie when this dumbass of a coach still can’t get his house in order in year 4. C’mon.
 

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Andy Dalton or even Mitch Trubisky wins this game …


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Defense played well enough
Running game was great
The protection was fine all day

The QB threw a dumb int …. Missed a wide open ARob for what would have been a TD … had all day to throw and could not throw to anyone playing against a team with no CBs

Andy Dalton or even Mitch Trubisky wins this game …


Lots of blame to go around.

After Chicago closed to 17-14 (and had all the momentum), Green Bay's offense went through the Bears defense like a hot knife through soft butter - That was a defining moment.

Fields is a work in progress - He is neither a savior nor a complete bust. He's a rookie quarterback trying to learn the ropes in the NFL, and he's on a team with a suspect coaching staff.
 

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Complete bullshit …. I saw tons of routes where players were safety valves …. The QB flat out missed them because he could
Not read what is going on despite having no one in his face
Go ahead and post them
 

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even if he thought it was a free play the fact is there was no WR for miles …. Hence the easy int …. Of course the impact was minimal
Since that is as good as a punt but the point is what the hell was Fields looking at ….Arob was double covered and he overthrew him by a mile leading to the easy int …. To make matters worse when Arob was wide open with no one around him, Fields missed him completely in his progression …. And then the icing on the cake was throwing the other pass into the end zone where it was also easily picked off and only a technicality saved him …..

Go look at the film …. Rodgers gets free plays too - that does not mean he overthrows the WR by a mile and throws a pick
Most QBs on free plays throw the ball towards the endzone and most WRs on free plays runs toward the endzone. Arob stops his route for no reason and the refs apparently went blind the first half. Again you don’t know what you’re talking about
 

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Complete bullshit …. I saw tons of routes where players were safety valves …. The QB flat out missed them because he could
Not read what is going on despite having no one in his face
So we're on the edge of Field goal range but it's 3rd and 15. Do the Bear call a play with something underneath the sticks or send everyone 1st depth? Does 7-10 yards help our FG chances and give Justin a positive option for pressure?

There was no outlet there and it's because they kept max protect to allow time for the 15 yard pass. I don't agree with there not being an underneath route that sometimes gets RAC but I understand max protect without a guy releasing with the intent of that play call (regardless of how misguided). Instead we have a slow developing play with all catchers going for the sticks, Justin doesn't think he'll have time to stay in the pocket for that, breaks it and runs into a sack at the edge and none of the catchers had separation as they're all at a similar depth. Now we're out of FG range and we punt. Starry eyed horrible play call that looked very Nagyesque and probably took 3 points off the board.

That is not how you put your rookie QB in a position to succeed.


Somehow posters will find a way claim I'm defending the sack here or implying Lazor wasn't involved and it's the opposite. Reality is hard sometimes. Come out of the blackness and into the light.
 
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So we're on the edge of Field goal range but it's 3rd and 15. Do the Bear call a play with something underneath the sticks or send everyone 1st depth? Does 7-10 yards help our FG chances and give Justin a positive option for pressure?

There was no outlet there and it's because they kept max protect to allow time for the 15 yard pass. I don't agree with there not being an underneath route that sometimes gets RAC but I understand max protect without a guy releasing with the intent of that play call (regardless of how misguided). Instead we have a slow developing play with all catchers going for the sticks, Justin doesn't think he'll have time to stay in the pocket for that, breaks it and runs into a sack at the edge and none of the catchers had separation as they're all at a similar depth. Now we're out of FG range and we punt. Starry eyed horrible play call that looked very Nagyesque and probably took 3 points of the board.

That is not how you put your rookie QB in a position to succeed.


Somehow posters will find a way claim I'm defending the sack here or implying Lazor wasn't involved and it's the opposite. Reality is hard sometimes. Come out of the blackness and into the light.
One of the worst designed plays that game. Zero outlet, horrible line that can’t block a four man rush and a QB who holds the ball forever. Great coaching
 

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even if he thought it was a free play the fact is there was no WR for miles …. Hence the easy int …. Of course the impact was minimal
Since that is as good as a punt but the point is what the hell was Fields looking at ….Arob was double covered and he overthrew him by a mile leading to the easy int …. To make matters worse when Arob was wide open with no one around him, Fields missed him completely in his progression …. And then the icing on the cake was throwing the other pass into the end zone where it was also easily picked off and only a technicality saved him …..

Go look at the film …. Rodgers gets free plays too - that does not mean he overthrows the WR by a mile and throws a pick
God, you're a fucking idiot.
 

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One of the worst designed plays that game. Zero outlet, horrible line that can’t block a four man rush and a QB who holds the ball forever. Great coaching
Unbelievable to call a hero play in scoring range with a rookie QB in his 3rd start. That was a do no harm moment and completely missed.
 

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I'm not saying he's always going to be a bad QB he's a ton of upside but its true that right now he sucks and pretending he doesn't is silly. He has the upside to be a franchise qb for the Bears though.
He doesn't suck right now. He's making a lot of mistakes right now for sure. And most of us who follow the NFL for the last bunch of years knew that he was going to make a lot of mistakes right now. We knew this in our gut and we knew this in our minds. We are human beings and the one way we, as human beings, learn things is by making mistakes. You can see that by looking at your own life--go ahead, look for times times in your own life when things were going poorly for you, when you were struggling. My bet is that if you looked for those times, you would see that they weren't much fun for you at all--obviously-- BUT you will also see that there was learning going on. You learned things by making the mistakes you made. When you look at the great times in your life, the easy times, you'll see they were much more enjoyable. But you'll also notice that there wasn't a lot of learning going on. The same is true for me.

We don't really learn skills by talking or by reading or by watching--we can talk, read and watch how to play the piano for decades and we won't learn how to play the piano, which is a skill. There is only one way for us to learn how to play the piano and that's playing the piano. And the learning happens when we make mistakes playing the piano.

Same with Fields. He's playing in the NFL for the first time this year. And he's making mistakes. And he's learning from those mistakes.

Many of us knew that he was going to be doing this during this process. It seems like there were many who weren't expecting that. Maybe those people, you among them, don't understand some basic truths about how people learn skills.

Hope this helps.
 
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Lots of blame to go around.

After Chicago closed to 17-14 (and had all the momentum), Green Bay's offense went through the Bears defense like a hot knife through soft butter - That was a defining moment.

Fields is a work in progress - He is neither a savior nor a complete bust. He's a rookie quarterback trying to learn the ropes in the NFL, and he's on a team with a suspect coaching staff.

Desai is just barely better than Pagano. He has the benefit of Quinn playing much better and thats about it. His defense is just simply waaay too passive. Its basically hope that the front 4 gets pressure and sacks the QB.
 

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Desai is just barely better than Pagano. He has the benefit of Quinn playing much better and thats about it. His defense is just simply waaay too passive. Its basically hope that the front 4 gets pressure and sacks the QB.
Desai is fine. Unless you expect him to be able to cover and tackle, which the Bears safeties cannot do.

Hard to blitz too much when 1. You really have only one DB who can cover consistently in man 2. Your safeties are prone to giving up huge plays and can't tackle.
 

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For the amount of shit I get, I want to point out all the brain dead stupid takes ITT.

Then again, I only show up when things are bad, even when I didn’t say Fields played bad yesterday.
 

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that maybe an accurate assessment ….. but today he cost us the game when the entire team played really well ….. he was the weak link on this team … the Bears D came to play …. The OL blocked well and opened run holes …. A no name rookie RB balled and almost got 100 yards with a TD ….. KMet showed up …. Jakeem Grant did his job well …. But one player cost us the win …. Hopefully he will get better with time…. But right know the knock on him (which is why he fell in the draft) was he cannot process info quickly and that is evident when he holds onto the ball for 5 secs with no pressure and then sails his throw over WRs repeatedly …. Sometimes straight to the opposing team

I can respect your analysis up until the part where you say “then sails his throw over WRs repeatedly …. Sometimes straight to the opposing team”. I haven’t seen him routinely sail his throws, not saying he hasn’t but, not often & definitely none to the other team. Fields has shown some very good accuracy. Now I can accept your analysis on him getting the ball out sooner but without a sky view I’m not sure if anyone is open or running a short route underneath. We saw this with Trubisky (of course a lesser QB) but Trubisky comes to Solider Fld with the Bills & he shreds the Bears defense with quick passes. I definitely hope Fields continues to improve & not because he looks like a bad QB. But, because that’s what is expected of all rookie QBs. The real problem is finding the root cause of why all Bears QBs that play in this system aren’t able to find open WRs. Is it the QB, the WR talent or is it the scheme?
 

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