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** This thread discusses the content article: The Summer of 2009 **
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Awesome article. I agree with about the non trades that will be made. I think the stars will sign with their respective teams. In your scenerio with an Amare trade, you're giving up too much talent for a guy who's injury prone and plays no defense. Tyrus is still a young guy who's getting more consistant and i'd hate to see the bulls give up on him for a max contract in amare who you have no idea can make it through an entire season.
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That was a good article.
I would give up Thomas and Hinrich in a heartbeat for Amare Stoudemire. I not too concerned about the eye injury, he's one of the best players in the league. thomas has had a nice run the 2nd half of the season, but I don't ever see him putting up the numbers Stoudemire puts up.
I also think LeBron and Wade will stay put.
The only thing I disagree with is BG staying with the Bulls on the cheap. If he takes a 7 million dollar a year deal, I don't think it will be with the Bulls. Like I've said before, I don't see him doing Bulls' management any favors as far as them saving money or avoiding the luxury tax.
And it's an absolute joke that the luxury tax is a factor in the 3rd largest market. I guess we're the New Orleans Hornets??
I would give up Thomas and Hinrich in a heartbeat for Amare Stoudemire. I not too concerned about the eye injury, he's one of the best players in the league. thomas has had a nice run the 2nd half of the season, but I don't ever see him putting up the numbers Stoudemire puts up.
I also think LeBron and Wade will stay put.
The only thing I disagree with is BG staying with the Bulls on the cheap. If he takes a 7 million dollar a year deal, I don't think it will be with the Bulls. Like I've said before, I don't see him doing Bulls' management any favors as far as them saving money or avoiding the luxury tax.
And it's an absolute joke that the luxury tax is a factor in the 3rd largest market. I guess we're the New Orleans Hornets??
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When it comes down to it, trading Tyrus and Hinrich for Amare or Bosh would be a no brainer. You just don't pass up that kind of talent. Whether or not BG resigns for less is dependent on how he feels on staying with the Bulls. Does he even want to stay? If he does then it's up to management to keep him here. If the Bulls don't want to go over the tax and keep Gordon then it's obvious that Luol or Kirk is leaving. Personally I think that luxury tax or not we should keep him. He's far too valuable to be allowed to walk (and this is coming from a Kirk fan/supporter).
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I think Amare is definitely going to be available. I think Bosh has a 50/50 shot of being available. I agree that Wade definitely signs an extension. I'm not sure about LeBron, he's the one guy who could test FA and has no chance at all of losing value.
Wade, Bosh, and Amare all have some injury questions around them, and all of them are older as well, so there's a small chance that any of them could lose value with teh wrong type of injury. Particularly Wade and Amare who both have significant negative injury markers already.
Though Gilbert Arenas showed last year that no matter what your condition is, you'll probably still get maxed if you're a star, but if he waited a year and was in this economy no way that pans out.
I think economic pressure will convince a lot of guys to sign now. Especially since the cap is likely to recede again next year, so the max this summer will probably be greater than the max next summer.
Wade, Bosh, and Amare all have some injury questions around them, and all of them are older as well, so there's a small chance that any of them could lose value with teh wrong type of injury. Particularly Wade and Amare who both have significant negative injury markers already.
Though Gilbert Arenas showed last year that no matter what your condition is, you'll probably still get maxed if you're a star, but if he waited a year and was in this economy no way that pans out.
I think economic pressure will convince a lot of guys to sign now. Especially since the cap is likely to recede again next year, so the max this summer will probably be greater than the max next summer.
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I am hoping we end up packaging Deng along with one of Thomas/Noah for Bosh. Sign BG to a long term deal. I am alright with a rotation of Rose/BG/Hinrich. You have two explosive offensive players at the guard position and another coming off the bench that can D up with the best of them.
We will still need a capable backup at the SF position though. I guess Tim Thomas will still be under contract, unless he gets moved to make salaries work in a trade scenario.
With all of that said, if all that happens this off season is a few salary dumps and a BG signing I will be happy.
We will still need a capable backup at the SF position though. I guess Tim Thomas will still be under contract, unless he gets moved to make salaries work in a trade scenario.
With all of that said, if all that happens this off season is a few salary dumps and a BG signing I will be happy.
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Someone tell me if my numbers are wrong but I was trying to figure out how our numbers would look if we let Gordon walk and traded Tyrus, James, both picks for Amare or Bosh and this is what I came up with:
8 players(Bosh): 68.42 million
8 players(Amare): 69.02 million
Now I assume the luxury tax will be at 68 maybe 69 million so it looks to me like we are going to be awful close whether a trade like this happens and Gordon walks or if there is no trade, Gordon walks and we add draft picks. Neither scenario looks like we could do much of anything beyond filling our roster with minimum salary guys like Nelson, Roberson, Gray, Johnson,etc.
8 players(Bosh): 68.42 million
8 players(Amare): 69.02 million
Now I assume the luxury tax will be at 68 maybe 69 million so it looks to me like we are going to be awful close whether a trade like this happens and Gordon walks or if there is no trade, Gordon walks and we add draft picks. Neither scenario looks like we could do much of anything beyond filling our roster with minimum salary guys like Nelson, Roberson, Gray, Johnson,etc.
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dougthonus wrote:
The think the recent Shaq/Dallas rumors may come into play in assessing Amare's availability this summer. I agree that the players have their eyes on the numbers right now given the economy (just like the rest of us) and its more likely than ever that players will sign extensions that will provide safety and security rather than roll the dice on the FA market.
The think the recent Shaq/Dallas rumors may come into play in assessing Amare's availability this summer. I agree that the players have their eyes on the numbers right now given the economy (just like the rest of us) and its more likely than ever that players will sign extensions that will provide safety and security rather than roll the dice on the FA market.
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I don't get the concept of trading both picks - that don't make sense. Especially, for a team that has a inconsistent front-court. I think adding a big man like Brackins or Blair makes us deep but younger. Last, I think we have better looks in making our roster deeper.
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I don't think they're really related. I don't think Phoenix wants Amare anymore. I don't think they want to build around him. Shaq doesn't effect that.
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gold4you wrote:
i agree kinda... i dont want to devote myself to thomas just yet...but eh...i'm not committed to amare.
i'm not sure if amare can play in a system other than the run and gun system. if we get amare, do we want to devote ourselves to this sort of offense? also amare has been rumoured to be difficult, do we really want that? further more his contract would be a beast...do we want to pay that for a guy who has had micro fracture surgery( Deng and amare on the same team... yee haw... )? lastly, would we really want to pay for a big who almost refuses to play defense...
with that said, IFF the bulls were a defensive orientated team that could allow for a player who doesn't play defense, i'd trade for amare in a heartbeat.
i agree kinda... i dont want to devote myself to thomas just yet...but eh...i'm not committed to amare.
i'm not sure if amare can play in a system other than the run and gun system. if we get amare, do we want to devote ourselves to this sort of offense? also amare has been rumoured to be difficult, do we really want that? further more his contract would be a beast...do we want to pay that for a guy who has had micro fracture surgery( Deng and amare on the same team... yee haw... )? lastly, would we really want to pay for a big who almost refuses to play defense...
with that said, IFF the bulls were a defensive orientated team that could allow for a player who doesn't play defense, i'd trade for amare in a heartbeat.
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Gene wrote:
tim thomas as a starting sf? ekks?
tim thomas as a starting sf? ekks?
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pinkizdead wrote:
I feel the same way about Amare, he doesn't play defense and does he really have a dominate offensive game? I think he is mostly a scrappy offensive guy, a 2 option on a championship team not a 1. Bosh on the other hand can do almost anything offensively is younger and plays defense. He might not be a huge strong power forward but he would be better than Amare and for the Bulls future. The only PF you trade Tyrus for is Bosh, because in the right situation Tyrus will be pretty good so you need a sure thing. As for signing Gordon they better, it is so pathetic that the only team in Chicago is worried about the luxury tax.
I feel the same way about Amare, he doesn't play defense and does he really have a dominate offensive game? I think he is mostly a scrappy offensive guy, a 2 option on a championship team not a 1. Bosh on the other hand can do almost anything offensively is younger and plays defense. He might not be a huge strong power forward but he would be better than Amare and for the Bulls future. The only PF you trade Tyrus for is Bosh, because in the right situation Tyrus will be pretty good so you need a sure thing. As for signing Gordon they better, it is so pathetic that the only team in Chicago is worried about the luxury tax.
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how long would we be paying lux tax for anyway? Dont all of our big contracts go off the book soon? tim thomas, miller, and james? they're all gone....
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It would be a one year dip into the lux tax if Jerry decided to take on money this year. He has at least $24M in expiring deals as of this minute.
Basically, if Jerry decided to throw the farm at Bosh and re-sign Gordon, it would cost him about $10M one time in extra salary and tax to get Rose / Gordon / ???? / Bosh / Noah
Basically, if Jerry decided to throw the farm at Bosh and re-sign Gordon, it would cost him about $10M one time in extra salary and tax to get Rose / Gordon / ???? / Bosh / Noah
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coldfish wrote:
With that said, I think we all know that uncle Jerry will not pay the tax.
The ONLY way I see him paying the tax is if we get to the ECF this year. There is about a .0003% chance of that happening, so more than likely, BG is out the door. I don't pretend to be a BG supporter at all, but I think BG is more of an asset to this Bulls team than he can be to any other team in the league. He does play some questionable D, but he puts the ball in the hole, and does it pretty damn well.
What I'm wondering is how can we clear room to sign BG this summer? Since we are over the cap, wouldn't we have to take back roughly the same amount of salary in any trade. So any trade to portland (say we package deng) would have to bring back 12 mil in cap hit for this year, correct? Same for Hinrich to Minny?
So I'm confused how we would clear up cap for this summer and be able to resign BG and stay under the tax line. What am I missing?
With that said, I think we all know that uncle Jerry will not pay the tax.
The ONLY way I see him paying the tax is if we get to the ECF this year. There is about a .0003% chance of that happening, so more than likely, BG is out the door. I don't pretend to be a BG supporter at all, but I think BG is more of an asset to this Bulls team than he can be to any other team in the league. He does play some questionable D, but he puts the ball in the hole, and does it pretty damn well.
What I'm wondering is how can we clear room to sign BG this summer? Since we are over the cap, wouldn't we have to take back roughly the same amount of salary in any trade. So any trade to portland (say we package deng) would have to bring back 12 mil in cap hit for this year, correct? Same for Hinrich to Minny?
So I'm confused how we would clear up cap for this summer and be able to resign BG and stay under the tax line. What am I missing?
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Excellent article. I think we need to sign bg and hopefully find a way to trade for bosh. However, Im a little scared of Bosh. I know hes an upgrade, but I dont like paying a guy max money if hes not a max player and I dont know that he is. Its tough to justify paying a max contract to a guy who led a decently talented team to 32 or so wins.
However, he balances our scoring and a core of rose, bosh, noah and hopefully bg (and maybe deng)could be really good. My other concern is that although our team would be better with bosh than say tyrus, I am worried about matching up with Cle. I think Tyrus might be the closest thing this league has to a lebron stopper and I dont know if its better to simply improve our team or set our team up to be able to beat Cle.
However, he balances our scoring and a core of rose, bosh, noah and hopefully bg (and maybe deng)could be really good. My other concern is that although our team would be better with bosh than say tyrus, I am worried about matching up with Cle. I think Tyrus might be the closest thing this league has to a lebron stopper and I dont know if its better to simply improve our team or set our team up to be able to beat Cle.
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